NHY 581
Western Thunderer
Lovely image.
That's an interesting trio of brake vans bringing up the rear.
To this untrained sheep's eye, it looks like an ex-LMS standard 20t jobbie, a BR Standard 20t and a ex-LNER Toad E maybe (?)
Rob.
7mm Polbrock - About a Camel and a Badgers Pool
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Lovely image.
That's an interesting trio of brake vans bringing up the rear.
To this untrained sheep's eye, it looks like an ex-LMS standard 20t jobbie, a BR Standard 20t and a ex-LNER Toad E maybe (?)
Rob.
Pencarrow
Western Thunderer
I thought the same too.
Simon
Flying Squad
A lovely picture Jelle, and like Chris I hadn't seen it before either.
The Toad E on the end is why I'm building one in 1/32, there were several the West Country in that period and they were used on trains beyond and off the B&W line. There is a lovely end shot of one at South Brent with NB D6333 on a Kingsbridge to Hackney freight on 9th August 1963 on p56 of David Cable's "Hydraulics in the West".
Sticking with wagons, does anyone else think that the old looking low 7 plank behind the Beattie was in use as a loco coal truck? I ask because it appears in the same position in quite a lot of photographs and it looks too "delightfully old" to have been out on the main line. I think the same wagon features in several shots in Michael Clemens' "Steam Trails The Withered Arm".
I can't identify its number or type from the photographs I have at my disposal, but to would be a good subject for a model, with all its different colours of painted and unpainted wood.
Really lovely modelling by the way Jelle, thank you for joining in with WT!
Simon
The Toad E on the end is why I'm building one in 1/32, there were several the West Country in that period and they were used on trains beyond and off the B&W line. There is a lovely end shot of one at South Brent with NB D6333 on a Kingsbridge to Hackney freight on 9th August 1963 on p56 of David Cable's "Hydraulics in the West".
Sticking with wagons, does anyone else think that the old looking low 7 plank behind the Beattie was in use as a loco coal truck? I ask because it appears in the same position in quite a lot of photographs and it looks too "delightfully old" to have been out on the main line. I think the same wagon features in several shots in Michael Clemens' "Steam Trails The Withered Arm".
I can't identify its number or type from the photographs I have at my disposal, but to would be a good subject for a model, with all its different colours of painted and unpainted wood.
Really lovely modelling by the way Jelle, thank you for joining in with WT!
Simon
NHY 581
Western Thunderer
Morning Simon,
Looking at it, I think it's actually a six plank open. Further examination suggests ( to me at least) that the first part of the number is either an E or a B.
I'm going with E for now.
The side door has an angled lower 'plank' and two 'bump stops' below.
Therefore, I wonder whether or not this is an ex-LNER open that has been pressed into service for the purpose you mention.
I attach an image which I'm unable to credit at present.
Rob.
AJC
Western Thunderer
That’s the type in the Pirt photo: a standard LNER 6 plank open on a wooden underframe. Interestingly, since it’s lost all its paint (wooden frame wagons weren’t supposed to have been painted until ‘59 - but sometimes were), it’s been fitted with steel channels in place of the bottom two planks. So far as I know that’s a BR thing - the idea was to protect the lower part of the ends from shifting loads and you see it on all kinds of open highs. It’s possible it was a sort of skip or small items repository or in use as a reach wagon in the yard.
The RCH seven plank behind the 16 tonner is in a similar state, and I guess the consist looks like loco coal (just a guess).
Adam
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AJC
Western Thunderer
It does - though in my defence, I was looking at this on my phone while wrangling a hungry toddler with TMS on in the background. Perhaps a task too far...
Adam
Pencarrow
Western Thunderer
The interesting thing for me regarding the first wagon is the white staining.
(Extract from Joelle Jan's link for illustrative purposes only)
It's typical of wagons that have been up the Wenford line and exposed to the clay works and associated white dust. Look at the white on the wheel tyre rims. This seems to be a feature of wagons shunted through the clay works where there was clay dust / sludge on the ground.
It sort of says to me that this wagon has travelled rather than lived at Wadebridge as a match wagon. The steel replacement planks in the ends are interesting though as they didn't generally want the loose clay coming into contact with rusty steel.
(Extract from Joelle Jan's link for illustrative purposes only)
It's typical of wagons that have been up the Wenford line and exposed to the clay works and associated white dust. Look at the white on the wheel tyre rims. This seems to be a feature of wagons shunted through the clay works where there was clay dust / sludge on the ground.
It sort of says to me that this wagon has travelled rather than lived at Wadebridge as a match wagon. The steel replacement planks in the ends are interesting though as they didn't generally want the loose clay coming into contact with rusty steel.
Simon
Flying Squad
Well deduced Holmes!
Yes, a six plank, I was counting the curb rail. I agree about the type too, so another ex LNE wagon finishing its days in the far west - the plot thickens, or not, as the case may be.
I think that Penholmes theory of it being for "general stuff" fits well, I guess coal could still have been included.
Wouldn't it be great to find an actual recollection of what it was doing, unlikely at this remove. I absolutely love the way that these tiny details of history are so wagontastically fascinating!
And all a really great subject for Jelle's lovely modelling.
Simon
Yes, a six plank, I was counting the curb rail. I agree about the type too, so another ex LNE wagon finishing its days in the far west - the plot thickens, or not, as the case may be.
I think that Penholmes theory of it being for "general stuff" fits well, I guess coal could still have been included.
Wouldn't it be great to find an actual recollection of what it was doing, unlikely at this remove. I absolutely love the way that these tiny details of history are so wagontastically fascinating!
And all a really great subject for Jelle's lovely modelling.
Simon
AJC
Western Thunderer
Without wanting to divert further from Jelle's excellent modelling (and thank you for the steer on the walling, that fits the bill for something I've been thinking about) there's plenty of evidence for wagon-related diversity. Here's some (including and LNER six plank, right):
Wenford Bridge (near). 30585 & train at Stannon China Clay Works. 22.4.60 by Roger Joanes, on Flickr
Adam
Wenford Bridge (near). 30585 & train at Stannon China Clay Works. 22.4.60 by Roger Joanes, on FlickrAdam
Jelle Jan
Active Member
This is an interesting diversion. Do I see the yellow text 'FOR CLAY ONLY / EMPTY TO WADEBRIDGE S.R.' as used on non end door clay wagons on the third plank from above? I do have another photo of an Eastern wagon (5 plank E 311217) with 'FOR CLAY ONLY / EMPTY TO WADEBRIDGE S.R.' on it.
(Extract from Joelle Jan's link for illustrative purposes only)
Jelle Jan
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Pencarrow
Western Thunderer
2 more illustrative extracts of wagons (source: The Withered Arm by Peter Waller).
Wadebridge late 1963 W131141?
Boscarne Jct, undated but 30587 has "British Railways" on the splasher
I think the 2nd wagon back has the branfing mentioned by Helle Jan. I would be interested in people's identification of the wagon types though. Happy to take this to another thread if required.
Wadebridge late 1963 W131141?
Boscarne Jct, undated but 30587 has "British Railways" on the splasher
I think the 2nd wagon back has the branfing mentioned by Helle Jan. I would be interested in people's identification of the wagon types though. Happy to take this to another thread if required.
Grass and bushes
Jelle Jan
Active Member
Thanks for all the likes and interest. Then the christmas holiday came... two weeks of modelling. It started with shaping the hill, not directly the most interesting part, but then it was time for all the green stuff. A few days ago the following photo appeared elsewhere on WT, here it is again:
The area to the left of the stone shed still needed some work, but look what happened in the last few days:
And zooming in on the latest work:
The hole below the stairs and the brown spot to the right of it will disappear behind the steep climbing road.
So that's the current state of Polbrock, with some work to do in the garden behind this hedge.
Jelle Jan
The area to the left of the stone shed still needed some work, but look what happened in the last few days:
And zooming in on the latest work:
The hole below the stairs and the brown spot to the right of it will disappear behind the steep climbing road.
So that's the current state of Polbrock, with some work to do in the garden behind this hedge.
Jelle Jan
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Jelle Jan
Active Member
The trees in the background, or better large bushes, are made by MBR in Poland, so I bought them in. The hedges on the retaining wall and in front of the stairs (so what I added in the last few days), are a product called shrubbery, also from MBR. It's a square of 15cm x 15cm, that I cut to larger and smaller pieces to shape those hedges, which took me several hours.
The grass is from grass mats from two Dutch manufacturers, Martin Welberg and Lars op 't Hof, real quality stuff. Most of the other smaller bushes, part of which I planted as a hedgerow behind the garden, and also the grass tufts, are also from Martin Welberg.
Jelle Jan
The grass is from grass mats from two Dutch manufacturers, Martin Welberg and Lars op 't Hof, real quality stuff. Most of the other smaller bushes, part of which I planted as a hedgerow behind the garden, and also the grass tufts, are also from Martin Welberg.
Jelle Jan
Pencarrow
Western Thunderer
Looks like we've both been gardening today!
Love the plants, how have you done then / where did you source them from?