Reproduce this!

[oldravendale]

I am in the midst of scanning several hundred large format colour slides taken by my friend Tim Mills in the mid 1960s. I wonder, if anyone produced a model faithfully reproducing the bent and battered state of these cylinder covers on 60034, Lord Farringdon, at Aberdeen Ferryhill, would they be accused of sloppy workmanship?

Brian

 

[Steph Dale]

Dad,
The A4s are like that. The chimneys tend to look as though they've been cut out with an old blunt pair of tin snips...!
Steph

 

[Osgood]

I'd love to be able to add this kind of realism into a model (it gives an otherwise characterless machine an individual identity).

As another example, how about these freshly minted type 2s? About as far removed from a nice straight model as you could get!
Has anyone successfully achieved this look in a model?



Snipped from an image by Peter Brabham

 

[Overseer]

I'd love to be able to add this kind of realism into a model (it gives an otherwise characterless machine an individual identity).

As another example, how about these freshly minted type 2s? About as far removed from a nice straight model as you could get!
Has anyone successfully achieved this look in a model?

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Snipped from an image by Peter Brabham

I am pretty sure it has been done using sandpaper to rub the divot pattern into the plastic of a 4mm diesel body, I think it was in MRJ years ago. Well worth having a go.

 

[Martin Field]

This is a permanent argument in most other fields of modelmaking. In model cars it's usually crash damage, on model aircraft it's the bulging of wing fabric and the "oil canning" of metal skinned aircraft. And don't even begin with the rippling of large ships, especially battleships. Arguments abound as to the bulging of canvas, but most other effects are there to see for everyone. As I've been researching racing cars for dozens of models of them I see GRP mouldings of the most appalling asymmetry, but do that on the model and I'd be laughed out of town. Out of interest, the worst culprit I've seen was Lotus in Jim Clark's day.
I think you could do it in the railway world as weathering is now so completely acceptable, so a little iffy panelwork would be lauded, I'm sure.

That 2 tone green could almost make me like diesels!.....almost.

 

[Steph Dale]

I think @Pugsley class 37 has some panel rippling applied...

Steph

 

[AJC]

I am pretty sure it has been done using sandpaper to rub the divot pattern into the plastic of a 4mm diesel body, I think it was in MRJ years ago. Well worth having a go.

Yes, that'll be @Pugsley's 37/4 (rebuilt English Electric type 3) in MRJs 241 and 242. I've seen something similar done - using a grid of plastic sheet and *lots* of filler - to represent a somewhat battered landing craft in 1/32 scale. Both were, in their different ways, very impressive.

Adam

 

[Lyndhurstman]

Yes. it's the little details that make the difference for me, and we have a great resource in the internet for this stuff. I'd be tempted to biff some brass overlays in an attempt to model this.

I follow @70skid on Instagram. He's done some oil canning on a 1/72 Revell U-Boat: Instagram post by @70skid • Sep 16, 2017 at 3:30pm UTC He's dedicated, that's for sure...

It's not weathering, but I've just noticed that 3F's (Jintys or Jockos..) have a little plate/cast lump on the back of the bunker above the vacuum pipe - presumably to protect it from errant lumps of coal.. The Bachmann model doesn't have this.

Cheers

Jan

 

[AJC]

Do you mean what appears to be a footstep?

West Coast Main Line - Geoff Plumb

Looks more like a fabrication to me - easy enough to knock up, I'd have thought? 47435 appears to have had a Fowler chimney and Midland dome on as well...

Adam

 

[Lyndhurstman]

Do you mean what appears to be a footstep?

West Coast Main Line - Geoff Plumb

Looks more like a fabrication to me - easy enough to knock up, I'd have thought? 47435 appears to have had a Fowler chimney and Midland dome on as well...

Adam

Hi Adam,
Yes. That's the doozie. And yes - it will be easy to knock up. It's just one of those things I spotted, and found fascinating. I'm not 100% certain this was on all of them. But 47262 will get one. By the way; how is it you can go straight to a decent image, and I can't?

I love that Midland dome. So much nicer than the run of the mill thing. Which never seems to translate well into model form.

Cheers

Jan

 

[Big Train James]

I've read that oil canning can be achieved by laminating thin styrene sheet material to a substrate by brushing on a hot solvent like MEK. I can't remember clearly if "thin" meant .005" or .010" styrene, but I believe it was .005" material. I've never tried it myself, but I have a project in mind where it would be applicable. Perhaps some experimentation will be in order.

 

[jonte]

Hi Brian.

Please excuse my humblest interjection, but I had a 'bash' (sorry) at this sort of thing on the fuel tanks of my cheap Bachman GP38:



I just used the original plazzy tanks as a mould around which I formed the annealed brass sections, before soldering them up. Oh, and then I wellied them with the hard end of a large pair of pliers. They're use a friction fit and still need finishing. I'll add the, to the list.

Not in the same league, of course, but just though I'd contribute.

Best wishes,

jonte

Edit: apologies for over-egging, but found these (one with a bit more work on it) which are in a better light. jonte.

 

[Martin Field]

Jonte, good effort.
Jamie, it would be 5 thou. which will pucker up at a mere sniff of MEK-Pak or Plastic Weld and even did it with Humbrol's weak offering eventually.Trouble is it is uncontrollable and looks pretty much like what it is, puckered 5 thou. I think one has to just sculpt the ripples in with a great deal of observation. Just as you can't invent a tree, you cant invent a ripple.

 

[jonte]

Jonte, good effort.
Jamie, it would be 5 thou. which will pucker up at a mere sniff of MEK-Pak or Plastic Weld and even did it with Humbrol's weak offering eventually.Trouble is it is uncontrollable and looks pretty much like what it is, puckered 5 thou. I think one has to just sculpt the ripples in with a great deal of observation. Just as you can't invent a tree, you cant invent a ripple.

Thanks, Martin.

jonte

 

[oldravendale]

Edit: apologies for over-egging, but found these (one with a bit more work on it) which are in a better light. jonte.

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You've got it! That tank looks as I saw so many in the 7os and later. A good old clonk on the side and then a few secondary ripples.

Which takes us to our next question: How many of us have been taken to task about our poor building when we've tried so hard to reproduce the prototype? My answer to this is to have a good selection of prototype photos to hand.

Brian

 

[warren haywood]

The painted model will need to be glossy to show up the ripples. What you are looking at is reflected light. The class 25’s would look almost flat if they were covered in a layer of matt muck.

 

[Pugsley]

I think @Pugsley class 37 has some panel rippling applied...

Steph

Yes, that'll be @Pugsley's 37/4 (rebuilt English Electric type 3) in MRJs 241 and 242.

Thanks for the mention chaps, yep, my 37 does have some rippling applied:

It's subtle and can only be seen in certain lights, but I was quite conscious that it was something that could be overdone and would look naff. I think I got the balance about right in the end.

There was also a guy on RMWeb a good few years ago who did something similar to a 4mm class 27. His was probably the inspirations for mine (I say probably as my memory doesn't go back that far with any reliability!)