tomstaf
Western Thunderer
Hi Mike,
Sorry to hear it, hopefully you'll be back to normal asap. What is the H33 conversion?
Cheers
Tom
7mm Ressaldar's Workshop - a paintshop diversion
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Hi Mike,
Sorry to hear it, hopefully you'll be back to normal asap. What is the H33 conversion?
Cheers
Tom
Ressaldar
Western Thunderer
Hi Tom,
many thanks for the good wishes.
As for the H33 conversion. in 1925, the GWR built four bow ended restaurant coaches, 9578 - 9581 - to Diag. H33, (which were similar t o earlier Diag. H25, which had flat ends).9'0" wide and fitted on 7' bogies. All were converted for various wartime duties and returned to revenue service in 1946. All were fitted with gangway adaptors in the early 50s and number 9580 (the subject of my exercise) was converted to a buffet car under Diag. H58 in November 1952, in May 1961 in was converted to the S&T Inspection saloon KDW150266 - which is what I am now attempting.
The coach is preserved on the East Lancs Railway (owned by Pete Waterman?) and I have made numerous attempts to request permission to carry out a survey on the coach but to date, my requests have simply been ignored.
the plan above is a 'summary' of the work involved on the body -
top - side: new window and door (on right hand end)
centre - ends: three new windows in each end
bottom - side: two new windows and door
there is also the requirement for a heater vent under each of the two large windows shown the other two are at the opposite end of the same side of the coach.
showing the original side elevation, roughly marked up with what is needed.
The underframe/chassis was also altered and I am having to rely on photographs for these details, the trouble being that I have only one photo showing what is the top side in the photo above, taken from the brake tell tale end (the one in the photo)
As there will be the windows in the end, I have a cunning plan to do away with the JLTRT roof/chassis bolt arrangement - which would stick out like a sore thumb, more of this later.
I am having a bit of trouble with the lap top at the moment, it is not picking up all of my files to choose files for attachment, so I'll have to come back to this once I have hopefully resolved that little problem.
cheers
Mike
many thanks for the good wishes.
As for the H33 conversion. in 1925, the GWR built four bow ended restaurant coaches, 9578 - 9581 - to Diag. H33, (which were similar t o earlier Diag. H25, which had flat ends).9'0" wide and fitted on 7' bogies. All were converted for various wartime duties and returned to revenue service in 1946. All were fitted with gangway adaptors in the early 50s and number 9580 (the subject of my exercise) was converted to a buffet car under Diag. H58 in November 1952, in May 1961 in was converted to the S&T Inspection saloon KDW150266 - which is what I am now attempting.
The coach is preserved on the East Lancs Railway (owned by Pete Waterman?) and I have made numerous attempts to request permission to carry out a survey on the coach but to date, my requests have simply been ignored.
the plan above is a 'summary' of the work involved on the body -
top - side: new window and door (on right hand end)
centre - ends: three new windows in each end
bottom - side: two new windows and door
there is also the requirement for a heater vent under each of the two large windows shown the other two are at the opposite end of the same side of the coach.
showing the original side elevation, roughly marked up with what is needed.
The underframe/chassis was also altered and I am having to rely on photographs for these details, the trouble being that I have only one photo showing what is the top side in the photo above, taken from the brake tell tale end (the one in the photo)
As there will be the windows in the end, I have a cunning plan to do away with the JLTRT roof/chassis bolt arrangement - which would stick out like a sore thumb, more of this later.
I am having a bit of trouble with the lap top at the moment, it is not picking up all of my files to choose files for attachment, so I'll have to come back to this once I have hopefully resolved that little problem.
cheers
Mike
Rob Pulham
Western Thunderer
Good to see you back at it Mike. I am looking forward to progress as my next endeavour will be one of my JLRT Gresleys I think.
Ressaldar
Western Thunderer
Hi Rob,
not quite back at it yet, just trying to get the little grey cells up to scratch again. Hopefully will get the urge to at least get the windows into the 121 this week and see how I get on from there. Also taken delivery of a Sidelines Inspection saloon for painting -blue/grey, so need to get in the right frame of mind for that.
Biggest problem at the moment is with the laptop, in that when I try to upload a document, the directory that all of my railway stuff is in, suddenly, is not being picked up. I think I'll rename it and see if it gets picked up that way.
cheers
Mike
not quite back at it yet, just trying to get the little grey cells up to scratch again. Hopefully will get the urge to at least get the windows into the 121 this week and see how I get on from there. Also taken delivery of a Sidelines Inspection saloon for painting -blue/grey, so need to get in the right frame of mind for that.
Biggest problem at the moment is with the laptop, in that when I try to upload a document, the directory that all of my railway stuff is in, suddenly, is not being picked up. I think I'll rename it and see if it gets picked up that way.
cheers
Mike
Ressaldar
Western Thunderer
....you may think that Mattie, but I could not possibly say that........................."House of Cards"
cheers
Mike
Ressaldar
Western Thunderer
Hi Tom,
I should have added this link
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sparrowhawk7/7569976328/in/pool-1443566@N25
to my earlier post, hope it all makes sense.
cheers
Mike
I should have added this link
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sparrowhawk7/7569976328/in/pool-1443566@N25
to my earlier post, hope it all makes sense.
cheers
Mike
lancer1027
Western Thunderer
Hi Mike, glad your improving and there is light at the end of the tunnel as regards modelling. 
The H33 conversion looks great so far.
Rob
The H33 conversion looks great so far.
Rob
Ressaldar
Western Thunderer
The nasties seem to be leaving me and I have been encouraged to venture into the workshop to get the 121 finished and I have now installed the windows, fabricated and fixed the buffer beam steps and the lamp irons, applied all of the transfers (the 'set number' are home made Crafty Computer paper - my first venture in this), silvered the exhausts and odd covers on the underframe, which apart from light weathering, as far as the externals are concerned, only leaves the fixing of the windscreen wipers (they are assembled and painted), which will be done when the body comes off as I need to support the glazing (with a Mk 1 digit) while I drill the holes.
I must make a longer display board!
showing the 'lenses' - 20thou clear plasticard rubbed over with the fibreglass brush on both sides, after I had filed them to shape
the jumper cables just clear the track
the 'coffin' is the speaker, I drilled a series of 2mm holes through the floor at approx. 3mm centres over most of the area within the speaker frame. All of the wiring will be re-addressed in a general tidy up and possibly 3 rows of seats will be installed at the non-exhaust end and I am assuming that as all but one door on each side was sealed, all of the other seating was removed.
cheers
Mike
I must make a longer display board!
showing the 'lenses' - 20thou clear plasticard rubbed over with the fibreglass brush on both sides, after I had filed them to shape
the jumper cables just clear the track
the 'coffin' is the speaker, I drilled a series of 2mm holes through the floor at approx. 3mm centres over most of the area within the speaker frame. All of the wiring will be re-addressed in a general tidy up and possibly 3 rows of seats will be installed at the non-exhaust end and I am assuming that as all but one door on each side was sealed, all of the other seating was removed.
cheers
Mike
lancer1027
Western Thunderer
Looks terrific Mike
.
I hope to find some more info on R/C at Telford so hopefully then i can make some more progress on my 121
Rob
.I hope to find some more info on R/C at Telford so hopefully then i can make some more progress on my 121
Rob
Ressaldar
Western Thunderer
Hi Rob,
many thanks for the posting.
Space inside the 121 is very cramped especially if you have all the seats in. The solution is to put the motor in the bogie (Steph Dale unit style) and then that would at least give you room for the battery pack and perhaps the receiver etc could go in the roof space.
cheers
Mike
many thanks for the posting.
Space inside the 121 is very cramped especially if you have all the seats in. The solution is to put the motor in the bogie (Steph Dale unit style) and then that would at least give you room for the battery pack and perhaps the receiver etc could go in the roof space.
cheers
Mike
Rob Pulham
Western Thunderer
Very Nice Mike, not my colour, not my era but very nice all the same!
, not my colour, not my era but very nice all the same!
ZiderHead
Western Thunderer
Hi Mike
Now this is a coincedence - Ive been doing a little research on KDW150266 as I want to build an inspection saloon at some point.
I suspect it may be the coach thats coupled to the back of 31260 in a 1979 photo in John Vaughan's Diesels on the Western although its impossible to see the number. Its sitting in the old P-way sidings at Ashton Gate, just behind and to the right of where my avatar photo was taken from.
Cant wait to see the finished coach, what year/livery are you going to base it on?
(Having done a lot of googling for the research it has become apparent that you are the inspection saloon go-to-guy
)
Now this is a coincedence - Ive been doing a little research on KDW150266 as I want to build an inspection saloon at some point.
I suspect it may be the coach thats coupled to the back of 31260 in a 1979 photo in John Vaughan's Diesels on the Western although its impossible to see the number. Its sitting in the old P-way sidings at Ashton Gate, just behind and to the right of where my avatar photo was taken from.
Cant wait to see the finished coach, what year/livery are you going to base it on?
(Having done a lot of googling for the research it has become apparent that you are the inspection saloon go-to-guy
)
Ressaldar
Western Thunderer
Hi Rob,
it has to be plain Blue as in the picture that I am working to replicate - taken in May 84.
Hi Jon,
in the picture mentioned above, the coach is in a revised Chocolate/Cream livery, probably done when it went through Works and had the heater vents put in, (when it was first converted, it had the appearance of an Autocoach - the Chocolate/Cream went round the ends) I do not know when the FYE was applied, but livery appears to have been slightly simplified, in as much as the brown area below the gutter seems to have disappeared with the black/gold lining was applied directly below the gutter.
I do not have that particular book, but I think that I have seen the photo that you mention in another publication. I have also seen it in Blue/Grey livery being towed by a Blue/Grey 121.
I am keeping my fingers crossed that the Preston OGG visit to the East Lancs in two weeks time produces the dimensional information that I need to make a start on the body and the JLTRT come up trumps with the keeper plates for the whitemetal bogie kits and the roof ventilator/strapping template that were missing from the kit. I received an envelope from Archers in America this morning containing the resin weld seams which are quite a prominent feature on the end plates that were fitted when the corridor connections were removed.
Hopefully, that will allow a continuous run to be made.
cheers
Mike
it has to be plain Blue as in the picture that I am working to replicate - taken in May 84.
Hi Jon,
in the picture mentioned above, the coach is in a revised Chocolate/Cream livery, probably done when it went through Works and had the heater vents put in, (when it was first converted, it had the appearance of an Autocoach - the Chocolate/Cream went round the ends) I do not know when the FYE was applied, but livery appears to have been slightly simplified, in as much as the brown area below the gutter seems to have disappeared with the black/gold lining was applied directly below the gutter.
I do not have that particular book, but I think that I have seen the photo that you mention in another publication. I have also seen it in Blue/Grey livery being towed by a Blue/Grey 121.
I am keeping my fingers crossed that the Preston OGG visit to the East Lancs in two weeks time produces the dimensional information that I need to make a start on the body and the JLTRT come up trumps with the keeper plates for the whitemetal bogie kits and the roof ventilator/strapping template that were missing from the kit. I received an envelope from Archers in America this morning containing the resin weld seams which are quite a prominent feature on the end plates that were fitted when the corridor connections were removed.
Hopefully, that will allow a continuous run to be made.
cheers
Mike
lancer1027
Western Thunderer
Very Nice Mike
Very nice Mike
, my colour, my era and very nice all the same.
Sorry Rob someone had to
Rob
