Prototype Tim Mills' Photos

[Overseer]

A sadly very underexposed B1 61393 on an up fitted freight at Hornsey on 7th July 1962. The loco was allocated to New England in November 1959, Kings Cross in February 1960 and Mexborough in June 1963. It was withdrawn in September the same year. (SLS). It was scrapped at Cashmore’s, Great Bridge in the same month. (BR Database).

Edit: Now confirmed as a fish train.

Could someone explain why there is an insulated van behind the brake van in the fish train? I realise the rules for fitted trains could allow it but what would be the reason for it, Hornsey is a long way from fishing ports. Would the van be positioned there to allow a quick drop off before the trains final destination?

 

[AJC]

Could someone explain why there is an insulated van behind the brake van in the fish train? I realise the rules for fitted trains could allow it but what would be the reason for it, Hornsey is a long way from fishing ports. Would the van be positioned there to allow a quick drop off before the trains final destination?

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I think that’s the most likely answer, a late pick up being the other possibility, tacked on by a pilot loco somewhere. Fish is one of the few traffics likely to be so time sensitive as to allow that. I should have spotted that, it doesn’t *quite* line up perfectly with the signal box’.

Adam

 

[oldravendale]

I'm in no position, Daves @Yorkshire Dave and @daifly to challenge you suggestion about these photos and had the same thought myself. The two photos are, indeed, on different film strips within the same folder so I wondered whether Tim had two cameras in use as was seen very often in the '60s. Certainly when looking through Tim's photos he was quite punctilious about identifying any photo not of his origin as "Not One of Mine" but it's always possible that some photos slipped through the net. I'm caught on the horns of a dilemma here as, if there are two photographers involved I don't know which are the Tim Mills originals. I'm going ahead with publication while acknowledging that there must be some doubt about the origin of them and they follow in this sequence.

Thank you Barry @Barry37 for proposing some useful modelling references and Arun for more detail about 60123.

Then thanks @Overseer and Adam @AJC for picking up on the "extra" vehicle at the end of the fish train and the likely reason it is there. I have to say I don't remember ever seeing this myself and I'd certainly not noticed it until you drew attention to it.

Another pair of photos, this time of A2/3 60513 Dante, previously in posts #1970 and #2554, on the down 6.17 Peterborough train at Potters Bar on 7th July 1962. It was based at New England and withdrawn at the end of April 1963. (SLS). It went back to the place of it's birth, Doncaster, where it was despatched by the beginning of May. (BR Database).





A4 60017 Silver Fox on an up express at Potters Bar on 7th July 1962. At the time of the photo it was a resident of Kings Cross where it had lived since new in December 1935, moving to New England in June 1963 and being withdrawn in October. (SLS). It went to Doncaster Works for disposal which was completed by the year end. (BR Database).



Two here of the same loco, previously in post #1964, in this case A1 60128 Bongrace on the down 6.26 York and Hull train at Potters Bar on 7th July 1962. It had been a Doncaster engine since 1959 and was withdrawn in January 1965. (SLS). It went to Drapers of Hull where it was scrapped by the end of the following month. (Rail UK).





Here's another one of a "pair" - I'm as certain as I can be that we saw this loco on img3379 in post #4178 although I'd not linked the two photos at that time. The date and location are identical and I suspect that could be Tim in the frame here, judging by the viewpoint of the previous photo. This loco has also been seen previously in post #1757 and here is at Potters Bar on the down 6.50 to Cleethorpes train on 7th July 1962. Britannia 70041 Sir John Moore home shed was Immingham and had been since the end of December 1960. It moved to Carlisle Upperby in December 1963, then Kingmoor in February 1964 before being withdrawn in April 1967. (SLS). It was scrapped at J McWilliams, Shettleston, in September 1967. (BR Database).



Jubilee Class 45730 Ocean on a down Blackpool train at Tring Station on 14th April 1962. This was a Carnforth engine at the time and had been since September 1961, going to Warrington Dallam in July 1963 where it was withdrawn the following October. It then went to Ward’s at Beighton, Sheffield, (RO) where it was scrapped in March 1965. (BR Database).



Brian

 

[JimG]

Brian,

In the pair of pictures of 60128, in the second one, there is a woman standing by the turnout which would have been the camera position for the first picture - Tim's wife/girlfriend???

Jim.

 

[Yorkshire Dave]

I'm in no position, Daves @Yorkshire Dave and @daifly to challenge you suggestion about these photos and had the same thought myself. The two photos are, indeed, on different film strips within the same folder so I wondered whether Tim had two cameras in use as was seen very often in the '60s. Certainly when looking through Tim's photos he was quite punctilious about identifying any photo not of his origin as "Not One of Mine" but it's always possible that some photos slipped through the net. I'm caught on the horns of a dilemma here as, if there are two photographers involved I don't know which are the Tim Mills originals. I'm going ahead with publication while acknowledging that there must be some doubt about the origin of them and they follow in this sequence.

Where a pair of photos exist of the same train Tim's appear sharper and clearer of the two.

Also following on @JimG s observation above it would appear Tim handed a second camera to a second photographer.

 

[oldravendale]

Well spotted, Jim @JimG . By George, I think you've got it! I believe that's Linda, Tim's wife or possibly girlfriend at the time. As far as I can tell the general dimensions look about right ! She accompanied Tim on many if not most of his trips and appears in occasional photos (she's prominent in the one of the cattle crate at Kings Cross, if you remember it. That's img2214 in post #2540.) I agree, Dave @Yorkshire Dave that Tim's photos are somewhat the sharper of the two images which suggests that he was probably using the superior camera.

Seen previously in post #942 is Princess Coronation 46254, City of Stoke on Trent on an up Liverpool train at Tring Station on 14th April 1962. By September 1960 it was a Crewe North engine, came up to Camden in March 1963, back to Crewe North the following month and was withdrawn from there, along with so many of the class, in September 1964. It went to Cashmore's Great Bridge for scrapping which had been done by the year end.



Royal Scot 46126 Royal Army Service Corps on the down Welshman at Tring Station on 14th April 1962. This was seen previously in post #3557. The loco had been on the Willesden allocation since February 1961, moving to Annesley in December 1962 before withdrawal in October 1963. (SLS). The Railway Observer reported the loco at Crewe Works in November 1963 and the SLS that it was cut up there week ending 15th November 1963.



Previously in post #1379 Princess Coronation 46245 City of London was a Camden engine in June 1963 and had been there since at least January 1948 (BR Database) although it moved to Willesden in September 1963. (SLS). It was withdrawn from Crewe North where it had been allocated in August 1964 in September the same year (SLS) and was scrapped at Cashmore's Great Bridge during December 1964. (BR Database).



Rebuilt Patriot 45532 Illustrious on the down Lakes Express at Tring Station on 14th April 1962. The loco was allocated to Saltley in July 1961, then Derby in May 1962 and Carlisle Upperby a little over a month later where it was withdrawn at the beginning of February 1964. (SLS). It was recorded in store at Carlisle Upperby between February and December 1964 (WHTS) and went to Campbells, Airdrie (RO) where it was scrapped in January 1965. (BR Database).



Brian

 

[Dog Star]

So who is the person standing to the left in the photo of City of London

 

[Barry37]

Well spotted, Jim @JimG . By George, I think you've got it! I believe that's Linda, Tim's wife or possibly girlfriend at the time. As far as I can tell the general dimensions look about right ! She accompanied Tim on many if not most of his trips and appears in occasional photos (she's prominent in the one of the cattle crate at Kings Cross, if you remember it. That's img2214 in post #2540.) I agree, Dave @Yorkshire Dave that Tim's photos are somewhat the sharper of the two images which suggests that he was probably using the superior camera.

Seen previously in post #942 is Princess Coronation 46254, City of Stoke on Trent on an up Liverpool train at Tring Station on 14th April 1962. By September 1960 it was a Crewe North engine, came up to Camden in March 1963, back to Crewe North the following month and was withdrawn from there, along with so many of the class, in September 1964. It went to Cashmore's Great Bridge for scrapping which had been done by the year end.

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Royal Scot 46126 Royal Army Service Corps on the down Welshman at Tring Station on 14th April 1962. This was seen previously in post #3557. The loco had been on the Willesden allocation since February 1961, moving to Annesley in December 1962 before withdrawal in October 1963. (SLS). The Railway Observer reported the loco at Crewe Works in November 1963 and the SLS that it was cut up there week ending 15th November 1963.

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Previously in post #1379 Princess Coronation 46245 City of London was a Camden engine in June 1963 and had been there since at least January 1948 (BR Database) although it moved to Willesden in September 1963. (SLS). It was withdrawn from Crewe North where it had been allocated in August 1964 in September the same year (SLS) and was scrapped at Cashmore's Great Bridge during December 1964. (BR Database).

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Rebuilt Patriot 45532 Illustrious on the down Lakes Express at Tring Station on 14th April 1962. The loco was allocated to Saltley in July 1961, then Derby in May 1962 and Carlisle Upperby a little over a month later where it was withdrawn at the beginning of February 1964. (SLS). It was recorded in store at Carlisle Upperby between February and December 1964 (WHTS) and went to Campbells, Airdrie (RO) where it was scrapped in January 1965. (BR Database).

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Brian

In the foreground, there's a pile of discarded point rodding stools, presumably from recent rationalisation of sidings.

 

[James Spooner]

I’m intrigued by the first two coaches in the train behind City of Stoke on Trent. They have the look of a pair of Gresley streamliners (and I think I can only make out one bogie in the middle, implying they were a twin set) but I wasn’t aware they had left the Eastern or Scottish Regions.

Nigel

 

[Martin Shaw]

Perhaps more likely Nigel is that they were one of the BFK/FK or BTK/TK twins from the Coronation Scot sets that post war were used often in the NW Manchester/Blackpool services. That they appear on a London train is unusual. Larry G will of course be able to give us an accurate assessment, please.
Martin

 

[John Palmer]

Regarding the two leading vehicles in img3416, the carriages that seem to me to most closely resemble these are the twin brake first + semi-open first constructed to Diagram 200 for the Silver Jubilee set and numbered 1581-1582. But I could well be wrong.

An articulated BTK+TK from the LMS' Coronation Scot stock found its way into the middle of the formation of the 7.40 (SO) Bradford West-Bournemouth service on 21 July 1962. The absence of a gangway connection on the brake end must have been the cause of some surprise to anyone attempting to move from one end of the train to the other!

 

[oldravendale]

Hello Graham @Dog Star . Sorry to say I've no idea who is standing in front of the camera in img3418. However, as we've seen in previous photos at Tring the station was a hot spot for train spotters so it's quite likely to be one of them.

Nigel @James Spooner , Martin @Martin Shaw and John @John Palmer - I've nothing to add to your interesting suggestions about those coaches. As you say, perhaps Larry will be along in a minute to give us chapter and verse.

Royal Scot 46154 The Hussar on a down Whitehaven train at Tring Station on 14th April 1962. The loco was seen recently in post #361 and was allocated to Holyhead in March 1962 and Willesden from June the same year where it was withdrawn at the beginning of December. (SLS). It went to Crewe Works for disposal (WHTS) which was completed by mid March 1963. (BR Database).



Jubilee 45638 Zanzibar on a down Northampton train in the Tring Station area on 14th April 1962. The loco was allocated to Warrington Dallam at the beginning of November 1961where it was withdrawn in March 1964. (SLS). It was scrapped at Crewe Works (WHTS) in April 1964. (BR Database).



Previously in posts #2804, #2528 and #2631 Princess 46208 Princess Helena Victoria on the down Red Rose to Liverpool in the Tring Station area on 14th April 1962. 46208 had been an Edge Hill engine since 1951 and was withdrawn in October 1962. (SLS). It went to Crewe Works and was scrapped in November. (Rail UK).



Princess Coronation 46243 City of Lancaster on an up extra in the Tring Station area on 14th April 1962. It was allocated to Edge Hill at the beginning of April 1961 and was withdrawn in September 1964. (SLS). It was scrapped in August 1965 (BR Database) at Central Wagon, Ince, Wigan. (WHTS and RO).



Black 5 44834 somewhere around Tring Station on 14th April 1962. I believe this is a little North of the station at the beginning of the cutting. The loco was at Carlisle Upperby in September 1957 and moved to Edge Hill in April 1967 where it was withdrawn in December the same year. (SLS). It was scrapped in August 1968 at Cohens, Kettering. (BR Database).



Brian

 

[Barry37]

Regarding the two leading vehicles in img3416, the carriages that seem to me to most closely resemble these are the twin brake first + semi-open first constructed to Diagram 200 for the Silver Jubilee set and numbered 1581-1582. But I could well be wrong.

An articulated BTK+TK from the LMS' Coronation Scot stock found its way into the middle of the formation of the 7.40 (SO) Bradford West-Bournemouth service on 21 July 1962. The absence of a gangway connection on the brake end must have been the cause of some surprise to anyone attempting to move from one end of the train to the other!

The second coach appears to have five fixed windows (one might be a door) which may be the corridor side going past compartments, then three with sliding vents at the top (open section?). The lower. side panels seem to continue down to the bottom of the solebars.

 

[John Palmer]

The second coach appears to have five fixed windows (one might be a door) which may be the corridor side going past compartments, then three with sliding vents at the top (open section?). The lower. side panels seem to continue down to the bottom of the solebars.

These were exactly the characteristics that prompted me to think that this is the First Class twin set from the Silver Jubilee, and the more I compare Tim's picture with others featuring the Silver Jubilee carriages, the more convinced I become that these form the lead vehicles of that Up Liverpool train. Additional characteristics consistent with this are the footboard positions, the luggage/guard's compartment door arrangement, and the lavatory ventilator at the far end of the leading vehicle. I gather that the Silver Jubilee's First Class twin set and the (expanded) Third Class triplet set were diagrammed for a Glasgow (Queen Street)-St Andrews service known as the 'Fife Coast Express' from 1952 at least until about 1960, leaving a remaining lifespan for the Firsts of around two-three years up to December 1962. The Silver Jubilee rake was a 'one off', making this twin set a unique pair, and it is interesting to note that, having been allocated to the Scottish Region for much of its post-Nationalisation career, it seems to be found in its final months of service in the formation of a London Midland Region train - was it re-allocated to the LMR after ceasing employment in the Fife Coast Express?

 

[oldravendale]

More useful and interesting stuff to add to the coaching discussion, Barry @Barry37 and John @John Palmer . Many thanks indeed.

Black 5 45180 on an up special near Tring Station on 14th April 1962. It was a Bescot engine in July 1960, moved to Saltley in April 1965 and finally Crewe South in July 1965 where it was withdrawn in the following September. (SLS). It was scrapped at Wards, Beighton, Sheffield (RO) in December 1965. (BR Database).



Princess Coronation 46236 City of Bradford on the up Emerald Isle Express near Tring Station on 14th April 1962. This has been in posts #1493, #2595 and #3623 previously. 46236 was a Carlisle Upperby engine since March 1961, moving to Carlisle Kingmoor in November 1962 from where it was withdrawn in March 1964. (SLS and BR Database). It went to Crewe Works for disposal where it was scrapped by the end of April 1964. (Rail UK).



8F 48204 on an up freight in the Tring Station area on 14th April 1962. The loco had been allocated to Toton since January 1960, moved to Westhouses in February 1963 and finally Speke Junction in October 1966 where it was withdrawn in August 1967. (SLS). It was seen in store at Speke Junction from August 1967 to the following November and confirmed there by the Railway Observer at the end of November, then at Buttigiegs, Newport at an unknown date (RO), United Wagon, Newport at the end of January 1968 (WHTS) with the remains recorded on 29th June 1968. (RO). BR Database agrees a scrapping date of June 1968.



Royal Scot 46116 Irish Guardsman on a down Blackpool extra near Tring Station on 14th April 1962. The loco was allocated to Edge Hill in November 1961 and Carlisle Kingmoor in November 1962 where it was withdrawn in August 1963. At the end of the month it was recorded as in store at Carlisle Upperby (WHTS) and then at Crewe Works (WHTS) and BR Database records a scrapping date of September the same year.



Brian

 

[oldravendale]

Princess Coronation 46234 Duchess of Abercorn, previously in post #3789, on a down Perth train in the Tring Station area on 14th April 1962. It was a Camden engine in July 1959, moving to Carlisle Upperby in November the same year. (SLS). It went to Crewe Works for destruction which was completed by the end of June 1963. (Rail UK). WHTS confirms it as seen in store at Willesden on 17th February and 10th March 1963, then at Crewe South, nominally awaiting works, on 21st April. BR Database reports a scrapping date of June 1963.



Previously in post #4195 is Black 5 44869 here on a down Northampton train near Tring Station on 14th April 1962. At the time the Black 5 was a Northampton engine and had been since April 1961. It moved to Banbury in October 1965 and Heaton Mersey in June 1966 before withdrawal in the following October. (SLS). It went to Draper’s in Hull (RO) where it was scrapped in February 1967. (WHTS).



Princess Coronation 46237 City of Bristol near Tring Station with a down Liverpool train on 14th April 1962. The Coronation was previously in posts #905 and #2342. 46237 was a Carlisle Kingmoor engine in April 1961, moving to Upperby in May 1962. (SLS). It was withdrawn from Carlisle in September 1964, went to Arnott Young at Troon and had ceased to exist by the end of the year. (BR Database).



Two photos of Black 5 44860 on an up train passing B1 61205 on an up special near Tring Station on 14th April 1962. (I, personally, never saw a “foreign” engine working on the ex LNWR main line although I have a photo of a Hall at Willesden shed).

Seen previously in post #1843 the Black 5 had been a Rugby engine since April 1950 and then, as was common with the Black 5s, moved around a bit via Willesden im July 1964 and Banbury in October 1965 before ending up at Stoke in October 1966 where it was withdrawn in January 1967. (SLS). It went to Cohen's at Kettering where it was dismantled in April 1968. (BR Database).

The B1 was a Norwich Thorpe engine in November 1961, moving to March in March 1962 (SLS) and in December 1963 was withdrawn from active service becoming a Service Loco, No 20, as a stationary boiler for train heating with the drawhook removed to prevent use on any trains. (BR Database). See posts #4196 and #4197 for more details. It was scrapped as Service Loco No 20 at R A Kings, Norwich, in February 1965. (BR Database).





Brian

 

[Barry37]

Princess Coronation 46234 Duchess of Abercorn, previously in post #3789, on a down Perth train in the Tring Station area on 14th April 1962. It was a Camden engine in July 1959, moving to Carlisle Upperby in November the same year. (SLS). It went to Crewe Works for destruction which was completed by the end of June 1963. (Rail UK). WHTS confirms it as seen in store at Willesden on 17th February and 10th March 1963, then at Crewe South, nominally awaiting works, on 21st April. BR Database reports a scrapping date of June 1963.

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Previously in post #4195 is Black 5 44869 here on a down Northampton train near Tring Station on 14th April 1962. At the time the Black 5 was a Northampton engine and had been since April 1961. It moved to Banbury in October 1965 and Heaton Mersey in June 1966 before withdrawal in the following October. (SLS). It went to Draper’s in Hull (RO) where it was scrapped in February 1967. (WHTS).

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Princess Coronation 46237 City of Bristol near Tring Station with a down Liverpool train on 14th April 1962. The Coronation was previously in posts #905 and #2342. 46237 was a Carlisle Kingmoor engine in April 1961, moving to Upperby in May 1962. (SLS). It was withdrawn from Carlisle in September 1964, went to Arnott Young at Troon and had ceased to exist by the end of the year. (BR Database).

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Two photos of Black 5 44860 on an up train passing B1 61205 on an up special near Tring Station on 14th April 1962. (I, personally, never saw a “foreign” engine working on the ex LNWR main line although I have a photo of a Hall at Willesden shed).

Seen previously in post #1843 the Black 5 had been a Rugby engine since April 1950 and then, as was common with the Black 5s, moved around a bit via Willesden im July 1964 and Banbury in October 1965 before ending up at Stoke in October 1966 where it was withdrawn in January 1967. (SLS). It went to Cohen's at Kettering where it was dismantled in April 1968. (BR Database).

The B1 was a Norwich Thorpe engine in November 1961, moving to March in March 1962 (SLS) and in December 1963 was withdrawn from active service becoming a Service Loco, No 20, as a stationary boiler for train heating with the drawhook removed to prevent use on any trains. (BR Database). See posts #4196 and #4197 for more details. It was scrapped as Service Loco No 20 at R A Kings, Norwich, in February 1965. (BR Database).

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Brian

Of the six coaches behind Black 5 44869, three (first, fifth & sixth) seem to be brake/second* types. Perhaps a tad excessive, unless this train conveyed a lot of mailbags.
* "Third Class" apparently ended on 3 June 1956. Not a lot of people know that – well, I didn't know when it ended.

 

[oldravendale]

Thanks for the additional info, Barry @Barry37 . Like you I knew that third class was outlawed but I knew not precisely when.

Princess Coronation 46256, Sir William A Stanier FRS on an up semi fast train near Tring Station on 14th April 1962. The loco was allocated to Crewe North from September 1960 where it was withdrawn week ending 3rd October 1964. (SLS). Apparently there was a withdrawal exemption applied to the loco so it could work the RCTS Scottish Lowlander (1X75) on 26th September which it headed on the Crewe to Carlisle and return legs. (Six Bells Junction – see The Railtour Files). It was recorded in store at Crewe North from October to December 1964 by the Railway Observer and SLS. Final disposal was in December 1964 at Cashmore’s, Great Bridge. (BR Database)

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Black 5 45191 on a down special near Tring Station on 14th April 1962. This was a Willesden engine from March 1961, moving to Stoke in December 1962 where it was withdrawn in July 1967. (SLS). It was scrapped at Cohens, Kettering, in February 1968. (BR Database).



Ex-Western Region Britannia 70020 Mercury on a down express near Tring Station on 14th April 1962. It was transferred from the Western Region to the LMR at Carlisle Kingmoor in September 1961 and thereafter lead a varied life, in succession Longsight in June 1962, Crewe North October the same year, Carlisle Canal February and Willesden June, both in 1963, Crewe North January, Crewe South June and Carlisle Upperby in August, all 1965 and finally Carlisle Kingmoor at the end of 1966 where it was withdrawn in January 1967. (SLS). It was scrapped in May the same year at J McWilliams, Shettleston. (BR Database).



Described as Royal Scot 46103 on the up Lakes Express near Tring Station on 14th April 1962 this is clearly not that loco – see img3440 a little later which is of that loco on that train. This description is now an unidentified Royal Scot on an unidentified train...



Brian

 

[Yorkshire Dave]

The photos taken near Tring in posts #4,235, 4,236 and 4,238 were taken in and around Newground Road bridge between Tring Station and Cow Roast. Looking at the map there is a nice shallow sweeping S bend here in the WCML.

Newground Road bridge circled red on the NLS OS 1:10,000/1:10,560 1949-73 extract below. The bridge will be unrecognisable today as it was rebuilt during the WCML electrification

The old A41 is in red with Tring Station and Cow Roast circled in blue. The Valiant Trooper in Aldbury is circled in magenta . One thing I didn't realise existed near Aldbury was an Isolation Hospital (circled in green).



I see from the last two photos Tim had his entourage as there is an individual standing on the bridge parapet in the photo of 70020 and I would assume Tim may have known the individual in the last photo of the unknown Scot as they have been captured looking at the train while being framed by the telegraph pole guy wire. A better image in my view would have also included the right hand post of the signal gantry.

 

[oldravendale]

That's a remarkable bit of detective work, Dave. I've lived in the area for around fifty years and didn't recognise it. I didn't know about the isolation hospital either. Next time I drive along Newground Road I'll look for signs of it. The Ward Block still exists as a rather attractive private house (for those with a Flickr account - not me! - see

https://flic.kr/p/2jor8FC

) and there is quite a bit written about it and the association it had with Tring isolation hospital (I believe also now private houses - I'll have to check as there has been redevelopment of the site as well) in local history society documentation and otherwise on line see PUBLIC HEALTH COMES TO TRING.. Thank you for that - I suspect that very few of our neighbours are aware it ever existed and I'll doubtless impress bore them with my local "found" knowledge! Sadly the Valiant Trooper, although it still exists as a pub, is a shadow of its previous self.

In fact, for anyone interested in local history this is a right royal rabbit hole. When I have a spare weekend I'll try to read everything and educate myself further. In this respect, from "Tring in 1947" - Hertfordshire Genealogy: Book: Tring in 1947 - All quiet on the Hospital Front

"Councillor Dorian Williams said that with the ambulance which relies on a local milkman’s horse it means that it would be quicker to transport cases to Hemel Hempstead or St Albans. … The Clerk said they did not rely upon a horse ambulance these days. They had an arrangement with Aldbury hospital to use their motor ambulance. Bucks Herald, 7th March " made me smile.

As for Tim's "entourage" I believe that may be Tim's brother in law - or the chap who'd become Tim's brother in law. I didn't know Tim in 1962. He had many friends with similar interests with whom I was not acquainted, of course. I'll also now attribute all the photos "near Tring Station" and "taken lineside at/near Tring" to the same location.

On to the business of the day.
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Seen previously in posts #881 and #927 is maroon Princess Coronation 46238, City of Carlisle near Tring Station on 14th April 1962. This had been a Camden engine for a while in the 50s but was moved to Carlisle Upperby in June 1952. (SLS). It was withdrawn from there in September 1964 and was despatched at Arnott Young in Troon in the December. (BR Database).



Another ex-Western Region Britannia, this time 70019 Lightning on a down fitted freight taken lineside at Tring on 14th April 1962. This was another loco transferred to the LMR at Carlisle Kingmoor in September 1961 then Longsight in June and Crewe North in September, both 1962, Aston in June and Crewe North in October 1963, Crewe South in June 1965 and Carlisle Upperby in August the same year where it was withdrawn in March 1966. (SLS). It went to West of Scotland Shipbreaking at Troon for disposal which was completed the following June. (BR Database).



The real 46103 Royal Scots Fusilier (see the previous post and img3437) on the up Lakes Express from the lineside at Tring on 14th April 1962. The loco was allocated to Saltley in July 1961 from where it was loaned to Leicester Midland in May 1962 and then went in to store at Saltley even though ex-works in early June, Carlisle Upperby later in June 1962 and Holbeck four months later where it was withdrawn in December. (SLS). It was reported in store at Farnley Junction from January to August 1963 and then observed at Crewe Works C Shop on 29th September the same year. (WHTS). BR Database record a scrapping date the same month.



Jubilee 45631 Tanganyika on a down Liverpool train lineside at Tring on 14th April 1962. Seen previously in post #2621 it was a Crewe North engine from July 1961, moving to Saltley in March 1963 where it was withdrawn in August 1964 (SLS) although Rail UK and BR Database advise withdrawal from Crewe North in August or September 1964. There is general agreement, though, that it was scrapped at Cashmore's, Great Bridge, at the end of 1964. (BR Database).



Brian

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