Wheels for 03 & 04 shunters?

Discussion in 'Talk' started by SteveO, 14 February 2014.

  1. SteadyRed

    SteadyRed Western Thunderer

    Very wise to outsource the white metal castings, if someone with the necessary experiance & equipment to do a good job can run the castings for you go for it.

    Good also that you are adding brass to the kit.

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  2. SteveO

    SteveO Guest

    My mouth was gaping open browsing through the galleries of this chap and this video sums it up pretty well. Amazing.
  3. 40126

    40126 Western Thunderer

  4. adrian

    adrian Flying Squad

    I've been a long time admirer of his work and skills. He's written a couple of books, "The complete car modeller" in which he explains how he builds the models, with loads of workshop techniques which are equally applicable to railway models just as much as car modelling. IIRC he started as a pattern maker for corgi, so the Corgi Joe 90 car is one of his as well I think.
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  5. SteveO

    SteveO Guest

    I've been researching my prototypes more thoroughly, so I've bought a couple books and a few mags. One of those mags is MRJ No.3, which has a scarily good feature on the 04 (I had genuine nightmares after reading this!) but I was wondering if there was a similar - exhaustive - feature on the 03?

    What I have featuring the 03 currently don't get anywhere close to the detail of the MRJ article. Any pointers?
  6. Osgood

    Osgood Western Thunderer

    Oi, you haven't finished studying your 04 module yet!

    As soon as I can get an uncooperative scanner to fire up, you'll receive a further study pack on the prototype 04 supplied to the N.East Region - that'll throw your louvre plans into turmoil!! :p
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  7. SteveO

    SteveO Guest

    Can't wait! I've got the maintenance manual somewhere - that's an interesting read!
  8. Osgood

    Osgood Western Thunderer

    Right here you go:

    If you've not already got it, I'd also recommend Modern Locomotives Illustrated No.195 The Small Shunters, in which you'll learn more of the prototype which eventually left Departmental Service in 1967 and became D2341.

    As a kit producer you now have no excuse not to offer options to enable the prototype to be built - being (as far as I can see) double louvres, different front window profile, and central exhaust.

    It will be the responsibility of all WT members to constantly hound you until you make these options available :D

    Class 04 Prototype 1.jpg Class 04 Prototype 2.jpg
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  9. SteveO

    SteveO Guest

    Wow, that's brilliant! The exhaust port is in a totally different place to the others. Gulp...

    Love the clock in the cab!
  10. Osgood

    Osgood Western Thunderer

    Oh sorry - that shouldn't be there. The photographer disturbed the Doc who had only just started conversion to a time machine. It's the first thing he does - put in a clock.....

    Doc Brown.jpg
  11. SteveO

    SteveO Guest

    The speedo only goes up to 28.5mph...
  12. SimonT

    SimonT Western Thunderer

    So how many had the odd louvres? The demonstrator , later DS1173/D2341 is shown in The Diesel Shunter (OPC) as having the twin louvres shown in the photo of 2217 above. All the other photos that I have seen show a single column of louvres to each panel. The photo of 2217 looks very very similar to the one of the demonstrator and 11217 has single louvres. So how few had this variation? Not that we're letting you off the option, of course!

  13. Osgood

    Osgood Western Thunderer

    Just the demonstrator it seems Simon, as the first two production units in 1952 went to Wisbech & Upwell and they were single louvred. According to MLI 195 the 1947 vintage demo was known by its works number 2217 for some months before being put into departmental stock as DS1173, only being given D2341 when transferred into capital stock in 1967. It was scrapped in Aug 69.

    MLI 105 is also useful in revealing that only the first few - maybe 3 or 4? - locos had the early side window (being the locos fitted with tramway skirts - the tram gear later being removed), suggesting that any other small window locos in preservation will have come from industrial use.

  14. Osgood

    Osgood Western Thunderer

    Note also the lower photo ("on a Drewry shunter") - whilst showing the same front screen shape as the early BR locos with small side windows - shows the later larger windows of the BR build, so this might be a view of an industrial loco.

    The evidence (in the form of photos of BR locos) still all points to the few early small side window cabs having the dog-leg front screen, and the later big window cabs having the sloping front screens.

    Still pleased you decided to become a kit manufacturer? :thumbs:
  15. Overseer

    Overseer Western Thunderer

    The cab shot will be one of the narrow gauge export locos. I first thought of New Zealand because their locos have a lower more curved roof as seen in the photo but they use air not vacuum brakes, Tasmanian V class locos have full height cabs so not one of them, South Fremantle power station had at least one vacuum fitted low roof loco but it had smaller side windows. The answer seems to be shown in a 1960s Drewry advertisement, a vacuum fitted narrow gauge Drewry in British Guiana, on the railtasmania website. I know nothing about railways, or anything else, in British Guiana.
  16. alcazar

    alcazar Guest


    Part of the cab of an 03, left invitingly open at Kings Lynn........it would have been churlish not to........

    Note the speed chart, I've got some decals of it in 7mm scale.

    They were made for me by Martin (Pugsley) of this parish, he probably still has the artwork.
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  17. SteveO

    SteveO Guest

    Do you know when those speed charts were introduced Jeff? Also, that instrument panel is probably the third or fourth version I've seen. I must admit I'm starting to get a little confused with all the options!

    A couple new suppliers have been confirmed for some lovely lost-wax castings replacing white metal. I've also included some new parts too. Have a look at the website to save cluttering this thread.
  18. Dog Star

    Dog Star Western Thunderer

    Why? In the correct paws a w/m casting is as good as a brass casting... possibly better definition with w/m.

    I do not hear anyone suggesting that replacement of the pewter castings from MMP is a necessary step in the building of Mk.1s or Dogfish. On the other hand, some of the brass castings from 7mm kit suppliers dos need throwing in the scrap bin.

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  19. alcazar

    alcazar Guest

    People like and respect brass? Whereas they are suspicious of the more difficult to solder and more brittle whitemetal?

    I'm sorry Steve, I have no idea when those speed charts were introduced. That one dates from around 1977, blue era. The loco was one of King's Lynn's March-allocated regulars.
  20. SteveO

    SteveO Guest

    The main reason being twofold: 1. The masters and/or moulds were not very good so needed remastering/moulding, and 2. Some parts that were supplied as white metal were delicate and were commonly replaced by builders (the horn and vac pipes being the most obvious).

    If a supplied part is mostly thrown out it would be cheaper to not supply it, or more convenient to supply it as the modeller prefers. Eventually, every single part will be remastered and every etch redrawn, but this will take a year or two.
  21. SteveO

    SteveO Guest

    That is another good point. I have read so many comments around the web about not being confident enough to solder white metal. Which reminds me, when I update my vans thread about soldering my reservoir tanks I have a calamitous story to tell...