Wheels query

Discussion in 'Resources' started by Martin Shaw, 30 January 2017.

  1. Martin Shaw

    Martin Shaw Western Thunderer

    Hi all
    The massive sort through of materials continues, although more floor than models is now showing. I found two bags of wheels, completely unmarked. I would appreciate thoughts as to whether my thoughts are correct.

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    These two pictures are I feel wheels for a WD 2-8-0, dimensionally they accord with Mr Sharman.


    These I'm not so sure of. The pony wheels are 3'2" and 3'8", the drivers 6' 0", and the tender discs 4'0" . Now given that my friend believed the centre of the universe was Darlington, I think an LNER prototype is most likely. and the only sensible suggestions are either P2 or V2. Not enough drivers for the P2, but disc wheels on a V2 tender, Mike Sharman suggests it happened but Willie Yeadon make no mention and I don't have the relevant RCTS volume to hand. Therefore does anyone disagree with my suggestion.
    Kind regards
  2. richard carr

    richard carr Western Thunderer

    LNER V2 drivers were 6 feet 2 inches, a B1 had 6 foot drivers and I'm certain that some group standard tenders would have had disc wheels.

  3. Martin Shaw

    Martin Shaw Western Thunderer

    Thanks Richard, but B1's were 6'2" as well, besides the wheels I have aren't logically suited to a B1.
    The quoted dimension is as new, a few tyre turnings would have made it 6' eventually, so I'm not too bothered about that particular variable. Good to know about the tenders.
  4. OzzyO

    OzzyO Western Thunderer

    I'd go along with your first one about the WD.

    On the second set of wheels you may have a bit of a red herring as IIRC it was only the large passenger locos (A1-4s and P2s) that had 8 wheeled tenders, so could the driving wheels have been for a V class tank loco and the tender wheels for a A class loco tender? Or a Diesel?

  5. Martin Shaw

    Martin Shaw Western Thunderer

    I found the Isinglass drawing for the group standard tender, which tells me that the wheels could be disc or spoke 3' 9" diameter. The wheels I have are 4' 0" and with a quantity of eight suggests they are for a pacific/P2 tender, even though for that genus they should be 4' 2". The loco wheels you correctly point out could fit a V1/3 or indeed a V2. Considering that I acquired kits for both engines complete with wheels I'm perplexed, and now unable to answer, why these were bought. Thanks for your thoughts though.
  6. eastsidepilot

    eastsidepilot Western Thunderer

    The only loco's I can think of with 6'-0" drivers were LMS Stanier cl 5 and HR Ben's the spoke number and pin position is correct for the latter.

    LNER V1 had 5'-8" drivers and I believe they were 18 spoke.

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  7. Martin Shaw

    Martin Shaw Western Thunderer

    Of course eastside your correct, no good for a V1, however your suggestion of a black five, I presume you mean that rather than a Jubilee, might be interesting. I'll have a look at something tomorrow, could well be a light bulb moment.
  8. JimG

    JimG Western Thunderer

    Also some of the Pickersgill Classes on the Caledonian - 6' 0" and 6' 1"

  9. Martin Shaw

    Martin Shaw Western Thunderer

    Well thank you Eastsidepilot for shining a light. A closer examination of the driving wheels revealed that apart from being 6' 0", they had 19 spokes with crankpin inbetween. Absolutely spot on for a black five. Ah ha I thought, got one of those, eventually the box was located and opened,


    to reveal the loco but no replacement wheels, except for the ones now identified. The tender wheels are obviously LNER and the pony wheels likely so. Many thanks to all who contributed to this thread, your help is appreciated.
  10. Steph Dale

    Steph Dale Western Thunderer

    Nice, Stephenson valve gear Black 5.

    You'll have fun knitting that lot back together again after you've fitted the new wheels!

  11. Martin Shaw

    Martin Shaw Western Thunderer

    Hi Steph
    Yeah sure looks like a pain, thankfully it's back in its box to await it's turn. I'm hoping that the return crank is fixed by something more engineering based than solder. Looking at it there's something not right about the reversing rod,expansion link, eccentrics, they all seem too high.