Yorky D's SECR dropside - Rollout - 4 groovy planks man

Discussion in 'GB1. The 4 Plank or Greater Wagon Build' started by Yorkshire Dave, 25 March 2018.

  1. Yorkshire Dave

    Yorkshire Dave Western Thunderer

    This is an O scale mixed media kit from the Furness Railway Wagon Co. comprising of...

    Resin body, whitemetal running gear and brass strapping - not quite an Athearn 'shake the box' kit but nearly.

    The items to the left of the brass wire are the kit contents and to the right the additional items - wheels, CPL couplers and a compensation unit. The moulding is reasonable and provides a starting point for me as I intend finishing it in a well used and weather beaten state.

    SECR 01.jpg

    I've already started on the body by bathing it in hot water to soften the resin in order to bow the sides outwards. SECR 02.jpg

    In addition to taking the odd lump out of the wood to give it some wear and tear. SECR 03.jpg
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  2. Yorkshire Dave

    Yorkshire Dave Western Thunderer

    The first stages of underpainting (Vallejo acrylics again) to try and recreate the light grey of weathered wood. There will be a few more layers yet before the final coat, strapping and decals are applied.

    SECR 04.jpg
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  3. AJC

    AJC Western Thunderer

    What a horrible-looking casting. Is the texture how it came because it looks very heavy and quite unlike any wagon I've ever seen actually in service though in scale it's close to the remains of some Port of Bristol vehicles I've seen in open store for 30 years. The cross grain gouging in particular looks incredibly unlikely, at least to my eye. I'd have the filler out (or start again in sheet) because it looks overdone - but that's my tuppence worth.

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  4. Yorkshire Dave

    Yorkshire Dave Western Thunderer

    Confirms what I thought when painting this. So...

    SECR 06.jpg

  5. Overseer

    Overseer Western Thunderer

    Very dramatic. Are the other bits good enough to make it worth while scratch building a new body in styrene or wood?
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  6. Spitfire2865

    Spitfire2865 Western Thunderer

    Am I the only one who thought it looked good?
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  7. Ian@StEnochs

    Ian@StEnochs Western Thunderer

    I have only built one wagon from a Furness kit, GNOSR cattle van. I would have been quicker and more satisfying to scratch build. As it was a lot did need considerable work and scratchbuilding to be acceptable. I will not be buying any more even though they have vehicles I would like in their list.

  8. Neil

    Neil Western Thunderer

    No, I thought it showed promise too.
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  9. Yorkshire Dave

    Yorkshire Dave Western Thunderer

    The remaining parts W irons etc still remain.

    It started off okay but I had my doubts, which Adam confirmed, whilst I was painting the original casting.

    Yes, there are some nice vehicles in their range and I think I'll take a similar route after this experience. However

    All is not lost, as fortunately, I have a drawing of this particular wagon and have ordered some wood to have a go at scratch building the body. The chassis will be built from styrene.
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  10. Mike W

    Mike W Western Thunderer

    Most resin kits I come across either have a professionally cast one-piece body which is highly detailed and makes assembly dead easy ... or a home made body in several parts which means it is cheap. This is different because it looks like a one piece except that the floor is separate and all the strapping is separate. I've never seen these kits in the flesh, so is my assumption there correct and any idea why the body details are not cast-in?

  11. Michael Osborne

    Michael Osborne Western Thunderer

    I have made 14 or 15 masters for resin wagon kits going back 20 years and like Mike W I have not seen a resin wagon kit with separate iron work for the body. Why has the solebars got detail on but not the body sides ? I will not be critical because someone does something different to the way I would approach things but it does seem a lost opportunity not to incorporate all the body details instead going to the trouble of having a separate etch.
  12. Yorkshire Dave

    Yorkshire Dave Western Thunderer

    Well, well, well..... this wagon build is going to be a bit of an experiment and somewhat unconventional.....:rolleyes:

    Some wood arrived over the weekend, ..............actually 0.5 x 50 x 2000mm of iron-on birch facing. :eek: I hear you cry.

    Outer face.
    SECR 08.jpg

    Inner face with adhesive.
    SECR 09.jpg

    I started by cutting two short lengths and ironing the two together. When first ironed it is quite pliable but soon sets rigid.
    SECR 10.jpg

    After sanding the wagon planking for the sides and ends were drawn with a 5H pencil.
    SECR 11.jpg
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    After drawing the planks on both sides of the sheet a dilute black ink was washed over them. Once dry the sides and ends were cut out
    SECR 13.jpg

    A cruel close up - there's some finishing yet to be done prior to masking and painting. SECR 14.jpg

    And picked up two sets of these at York show on Saturday for future wagon and van builds if this experiment is successful. SECR 15.jpg
  13. Yorkshire Dave

    Yorkshire Dave Western Thunderer

    These are the effects I'm after :). The wagon strapping hasn't been painted yet.

    SECR 18.jpg

    SECR 16.jpg
    A cruel close up......:eek:
    SECR 17.jpg
  14. Yorkshire Dave

    Yorkshire Dave Western Thunderer

    The method was to place random drops of copydex onto the raw wood and then painted grey. Once dry I rubbed the surface with my finger to remove the copydex and reveal the paint chipped patches.

    This was then given another wash of diluted black ink and again once dry I lightly drybrushed a chalky white over the side. The strapping was applied followed by the decals.

    Once the decals had set I pressed these as hard as I could to try and get into the grain. The letters were gently rubbed with a fibre glass brush to reduce their intensity and chipped in places where these were over the raw wood.

    Another wash of dilute black ink was applied.

    Now for the remaining side and two ends.......
  15. Yorkshire Dave

    Yorkshire Dave Western Thunderer

    Here is the side again after painting the ironwork and a little bit more work.

    SECR 19.jpg
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  16. AJC

    AJC Western Thunderer

    Oooh, I like that a lot. Nice work Dave!

  17. Yorkshire Dave

    Yorkshire Dave Western Thunderer

    Thanks Adam.

    I've done some more work on the ends....
    SECR 21.jpg

    Started the chassis from Evergreen styrene.... SECR 22.jpg

    And finished t'other side. Here, after removing parts of the S E C R lettering, I attempted a ghost effect with a dilute chalk white paint which is more apparent in the final photo. The bottom wide plank is where the scrawker decided to follow the grain. Rather than start again I decided to leave it to represent a split plank
    SECR 23.jpg

    And finally the pair of sides. The ghost lettering is one of the effects I'm after.
    SECR 24.jpg
  18. Spitfire2865

    Spitfire2865 Western Thunderer

    Looking good.
    Thats something certainly seldom modelled. Plus, the split happens to cross 3 bolts, exactly where it would have split.
    Ive got one plank that naturally split on one of my G3 builds and when I discovered it I was horrified. Then I had a think and its pretty accurate if the piece of wood wasnt well seasoned before use.
    The ghosted lettering is very good as well.
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  19. Yorkshire Dave

    Yorkshire Dave Western Thunderer

    Been faffing around with this again.....

    Adding the ironwork to the chassis. This was made from styrene and I'll be using archer rivet decals to represent the bolt heads.
    SECR 25.jpg

    Made up and finished the floor. I also bashed this around a bit with the sharp corner of a small engineers square and some wire to give it a worn look.
    SECR 26.jpg

    Finished the ends.
    SECR 27.jpg

    This is what it should look like.
    SECR 28.jpg
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  20. Yorkshire Dave

    Yorkshire Dave Western Thunderer

    Nearly there......

    The body has been mated to the chassis and the W irons and brake gear from the original kit installed in the mistaken belief I had the odd external V hangers and etched brass brake levers in my spares box :rolleyes: (well at least on the last inspection).... Ha ha.... I was mistaken and now have to source these to finish the wagon together with the chain and links used to keep the dropside locked in traffic.

    In the meantime some photos.....
    SECR 30.jpg
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    Interior. SECR 32.jpg

    End. SECR 33.jpg

    Interior again. SECR 34.jpg

    After the Valhalla this has been quite fun to build and I'm now tempted to build a LCDR and a LBSCR half round open wagon using the same techniques as I have drawings for these.

    The research has been enlightening as there was no standard wheelbase. Although this SECR wagon has a 9' wheelbase the LCDR wagons I'm looking to build vary between 9', 9' 3'' and 9' 8''.....:rolleyes: