'corporate Blue' Livery Applied To Hymeks

CME & Bottlewasher

CME & Bottlewasher

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Hi all,

In a moment of idle contemplation, I was wondering if the 'corporate blue' (on the Hymeks with the grey/white window surrounds) is/was the same as the BFYE Hymeks, as it looks different to me....I know we all see/perceive things differently and that BR colours were open to interpretation etc.....

.....But these blues seem different - or is it just the cab colours that make them look different?

I was also wondering how Heljan had portrayed/interpreted such too....

CME
 
Phill Dyson

Phill Dyson

Western Thunderer
Never fully understood this on myself CME & what exactly was chromatic blue too ?

But the early blue applied to BSYE Hymeks was definitely a differant blue to BR/Corporate blue applied to BFYE Hymeks

Heljan did BFYE & BSYE in two different blues which to my eyes are good representations of both colours

Cheers Phill :)
 
CME & Bottlewasher

CME & Bottlewasher

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Phill Dyson said:
Never fully understood this on myself CME & what exactly was chromatic blue too ?

But the early blue applied to BSYE Hymeks was definitely a differant blue to BR/Corporate blue applied to BFYE Hymeks

Heljan did BFYE & BSYE in two different blues which to my eyes are good representations of both colours

Cheers Phill :)
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Hi Phill,

Thanks:thumbs:

Those are my thoughts too - perhaps the earlier blue is the 'Chromatic Blue' (or was that the blue on the first Hymeks with the all blue cabs?) with corporate blue being the later blue - it is a mine field....:confused:

I thought that Heljan had done a reasonable job too - yet I am no expert:oops: :thumbs:

I saw a photo on one site that had D7000 and D7040 side by side and by that time D7000 was in BFYE and D7040 was BSYE (grey/white cab) and the blues looked the same, yet that could be down to lighting and the age of the photo/type of film etc. etc...:confused:

Thanks again Phill.

ATVB:)

CME
 
28ten

28ten

Guv'nor
I had always thought it was something of an urban myth:confused: When I have repainted Hymeks the standard blue looks markedly different without the yellow warning panel or white window surround. Having said that there is a distinct possibility that Swindon didnt interpret the initial colour correctly, the same thing has been said about Maroon on the Westerns......
 
Pennine MC

Pennine MC

Western Thunderer
28ten said:
I had always thought it was something of an urban myth:confused: When I have repainted Hymeks the standard blue looks markedly different without the yellow warning panel or white window surround. Having said that there is a distinct possibility that Swindon didnt interpret the initial colour correctly, the same thing has been said about Maroon on the Westerns......
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It would be entirely understandable if early supplies of paint were slightly off-spec, or something in the application (primers, spraying methods, whatever) made the finished job look different, but I'm far from convinced it was a completely different blue. The same argument rages regularly on 'the UK's foremost', often citing BSYP DMUs, 25s and Peaks, but I can see no reason whatsoever why a different paint would have been specified to accompany the change to full yellow ends - the whole point of the small yellow panel on the BSYP locos is that they were *wrong*, it wasnt as if it was a laid down style that was later altered.

I agree that even a small difference in the area of accompanying colours can make a big difference, Ken (Andania) can vouch for this on one of his 4mm Hymeks

Jordan said:
I thought that true "Chromatic Blue" had a metallic sheen to it, and was applied only to a few Westerns..? .
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My understanding also, although for similar reasons I'm really not sure if it was an actually 'different' colour
 
28ten

28ten

Guv'nor
Pennine MC said:
It would be entirely understandable if early supplies of paint were slightly off-spec, or something in the application (primers, spraying methods, whatever) made the finished job look different, but I'm far from convinced it was a completely different blue. The same argument rages regularly on 'the UK's foremost', often citing BSYP DMUs, 25s and Peaks, but I can see no reason whatsoever why a different paint would have been specified to accompany the change to full yellow ends - the whole point of the small yellow panel on the BSYP locos is that they were *wrong*, it wasnt as if it was a laid down style that was later altered.

I agree that even a small difference in the area of accompanying colours can make a big difference, Ken (Andania) can vouch for this on one of his 4mm Hymeks



My understanding also, although for similar reasons I'm really not sure if it was an actually 'different' colour
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That has always been my feeling, I know colour reproduction etc etc but this image from Railblue website illustrates the point about the window surrounds.
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I never saw it so im quite happy to concede that I am wrong :))
 
CME & Bottlewasher

CME & Bottlewasher

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Hi Guys,

All really relavent points.

I know, from my own research,:rolleyes::D into BR Red (bauxite to the and me) is also a similar situation.

We know that Swindon tended to do its own thing, yet to have several shades of the unifying 'corporate' colour does seem strange. I have some video footage of some paint being slaped on a Warship (I think) in Swindon Works without primer:eek: :D

What a mine field:confused::shit::))
 
Phill Dyson

Phill Dyson

Western Thunderer
I had a feeling that BR(WR) jumped the gun a bit in their enthusiasm to go for the corporate blue image & painted locos BSYP before they had the paint specification & hence they got the blue wrong & the warning panels ..........not just the warning panels :confused:

The pic that Cynric has posted of D7051 looks to me like the loco & coach are totally different blues ?..........the coach looks like Rail Blue as far as I can tell from a pic, but not the Hymek................I'm sticking with two different blues ! :p:))
 
CME & Bottlewasher

CME & Bottlewasher

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Phill Dyson said:
I had a feeling that BR(WR) jumped the gun a bit in their enthusiasm to go for the corporate blue image & painted locos BSYP before they had the paint specification & hence they got the blue wrong & the warning panels ..........not just the warning panels :confused:

The pic that Cynric has posted of D7051 looks to me like the loco & coach are totally different blues ?..........the coach looks like Rail Blue as far as I can tell from a pic, but not the Hymek................I'm sticking with two different blues ! :p:))
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Hi Phill,

I see what you are saying, yet the Hymek looks 'weathered' and the coach looks, 'just outshopped' I could be wrong of course......:)):)):headbang::D
 
Pennine MC

Pennine MC

Western Thunderer
Phill Dyson said:
The pic that Cynric has posted of D7051 looks to me like the loco & coach are totally different blues ?
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Try putting your thumb over the grey panel. Trust me;)

CME & Bottlewasher said:
I know, from my own research,:rolleyes::D into BR Red (bauxite to the and me) is also a similar situation.
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Oh, now there is a can o' worms:eek: Though actually it's not, it's just that folk insist on making it so.
 
28ten

28ten

Guv'nor
Phill Dyson said:
I had a feeling that BR(WR) jumped the gun a bit in their enthusiasm to go for the corporate blue image & painted locos BSYP before they had the paint specification & hence they got the blue wrong & the warning panels ..........not just the warning panels :confused:

The pic that Cynric has posted of D7051 looks to me like the loco & coach are totally different blues ?..........the coach looks like Rail Blue as far as I can tell from a pic, but not the Hymek................I'm sticking with two different blues ! :p:))
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As long as you are happy with the colour that is all that matters :thumbs: we all perceive colour slightly differently and going by 45 year old slides probably isnt the most accurate method :)
As for Bauxite, any paint slapped onto both old and new wagons is going to have some variation, even if its from the same tin so there is plenty of scope for using a variety of paints, or am I just being lazy? :))
 
D

D7093

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I'm with Ian on this, weather application or preparation specs differed on early repaints I don't know, but it was rail blue.

I have models that I've painted and prep'd at the same time to equaling standards. But as soon as you apply variations on yellow panels, window and roof colours, the blue becomes a distinct difference to the eye.

Trevor.
 
Phill Dyson

Phill Dyson

Western Thunderer
Great pics Trevor :) ...........& in my favorite Hymek livery :cool:..........mind you I do like the other shade of blue on BFYE Hymeks ;);):D
 
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