Coal?

mickoo

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Eastsidepilot said:
If you're prepared to pay for it traditional house coal is being advertised on line at the usual suspects, Ebay, Amazon and the like.
I'll probably buy a 10Kg bag and that will probably see me out !

Col.
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I'll split it 50/50 with you as I need to get some too as my stash is running low, happy to buy and bring your half up when I next visit :thumbs:
 
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Paul Cram

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I ahve a large supply of Anthracite purchased for my 5 inch loco. A 25kg bag is 10.00. I got it from coal4u but my local Model Enginneering club now holds a stock for purchase. Maybe one near you does the same?
 
mickoo

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Well this is harder than it looked, prices seem to be going up ahead of the government ban on 1st May and looks like a lot of wholesalers are going to be left with stocks they can't now sell, several sites have already pulled traditional coal ahead of the sales ban.
 
Rob R

Rob R

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mickoo said:
Well this is harder than it looked, prices seem to be going up ahead of the government ban on 1st May and looks like a lot of wholesalers are going to be left with stocks they can't now sell, several sites have already pulled traditional coal ahead of the sales ban.
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Still plenty on the beach............
 
Mike W

Mike W

Western Thunderer
Our local coal merchant says that selling house cal will not be illegal, but selling certain types of LOOSE coal will be, and wet wood also.

Mike
 
Wagonman

Wagonman

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oldravendale said:
OK. Got that. But what about the carbon footprint involved in the manufacture of those wind turbines? There seems to be a misunderstanding that the power from them is "free". (I'm not for a moment suggesting that's your understanding). Well, it's not free - effectively the manufacture of the wind turbines, the transport of the raw materials and the machines themselves is a mortgage on tomorrow. When I've asked the question the power companies are very coy about providing a totally costed spread sheet from extracting the raw material to installation.
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There is a carbon footprint in manufacturing anything whether solar panels, wind turbines, water electrolysis plants, power stations, ditto nuclear (a fairly massive footprint there), and so on. Nothing is for free. But we do need to find sources of energy that are essentially non polluting and free to use – sunlight, wind, water, the Earth itself. Fortunately people of my generation will be dead before the sh*t hits the wind turbine, but we must spare a thought for posterity.

That doesn't mean pulling up the drawbridge on fossil fuel extraction. The proposed coal mine in Cumbria, new oil fields in the North Sea are good in so far as we still need a certain amount of the foundry coke the Cumbrian mine is supposed to provide as there is at present no other way smelt the iron that provides half of our steel, and we will still need a certain amount of oil as feed stock for the chemicals industry etc. Our consumption of these materials would not increase, but if these can be sourced on our doorsteps it will cut pollution by not having to ship it half way round the world. It would also give us security of supply which will be increasingly important as future conflicts are likely to be over access to vital resources.

I'm all in favour of saving the Planet but I do wish some of the more ardent environmentalists would try to see the wider picture and not be content to export our pollution to some other country.
 
bri.s

bri.s

Active Member
If you live anywhere near old worsbough incline worsbough up to motorway we walk up there a far bit and my son alsways finds some coal
This was last piece he picked up
I think since they’ve redone paths they’ve disturbed old trackbeds and there’s alsorts about

Regards

Brian
 

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Osgood

Osgood

Western Thunderer
Mike W said:
Our local coal merchant says that selling house cal will not be illegal, but selling certain types of LOOSE coal will be, and wet wood also.

Mike
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Best not to mention the firewood supplier who uses a diesel-powered wet wood drying kiln to bring moisture down to within spec for sale, then :eek:
Oh heck I just did :rolleyes:
Wagonman said:
....... all in favour of saving the Planet but I do wish some of the more ardent environmentalists would try to see the wider picture and not be content to export our pollution to some other country.
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Planet.jpg Planet 2.jpg
Here's a Planet that was thankfully saved :) - yep, still polluting!
photo from Bideford Railway
 
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oldravendale

oldravendale

Western Thunderer
Wagonman said:
There is a carbon footprint in manufacturing anything whether solar panels, wind turbines, water electrolysis plants, power stations, ditto nuclear (a fairly massive footprint there), and so on. Nothing is for free. But we do need to find sources of energy that are essentially non polluting and free to use – sunlight, wind, water, the Earth itself. Fortunately people of my generation will be dead before the sh*t hits the wind turbine, but we must spare a thought for posterity.

That doesn't mean pulling up the drawbridge on fossil fuel extraction. The proposed coal mine in Cumbria, new oil fields in the North Sea are good in so far as we still need a certain amount of the foundry coke the Cumbrian mine is supposed to provide as there is at present no other way smelt the iron that provides half of our steel, and we will still need a certain amount of oil as feed stock for the chemicals industry etc. Our consumption of these materials would not increase, but if these can be sourced on our doorsteps it will cut pollution by not having to ship it half way round the world. It would also give us security of supply which will be increasingly important as future conflicts are likely to be over access to vital resources.

I'm all in favour of saving the Planet but I do wish some of the more ardent environmentalists would try to see the wider picture and not be content to export our pollution to some other country.
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You and I should both stand for election to the House! I totally agree with you. The difficulty seems to be that anything other than a total ban on the use of oil/gas/coal is anathema to the extreme environmentalists. I wonder how long we'd all survive. And I also agree that it makes sense to do all we can, in a structured manner, to reduce our carbon footprint but also, to export our carbon footprint in exchange for carbon credits does nothing to actually reduce it.

I remain interested in the debate on this thread but wonder whether, as a (principally) model railway forum now is the time to put a line under it.

Brian
 
Eastsidepilot

Eastsidepilot

Western Thunderer
… In a dark, dark land so weird and stern
The old king held his throne
His pillows were twined by the lady fern
And reared on the granite stone
And the fossil shells around him lay
From the ancient ocean's roll
So dark and grim, from the vast sea spray
Was born our old King Coal.
… Then here's to King Coal. That merry old soul
We'll give it with three times three
His eye is bright, may its merry light
Wink always sly at me
… Now old King Coal has left his land
A – conquering far and near
The steamship is his battle horse
The railway train his car
The bell which swing in the steeple high
The sword by the soldier's side
And the needles which beauty's fingers ply
And the crown of the monarch's pride.
… Were shaped by the aid of old King Coal
What a merry old soul is he
His eye is bright, may its merry light
Wink always sly at me.
… But most I love the old King Coal
For he's a friend to me
He sits between me and my life
When we sit down to tea
… And he leers on us both with a roguish eye
And he laughs like a dear old soul
And embraces us both right royally
This neighbourly old King Coal
… Then here's to King Coal. That merry old soul
We'll give it with three times three
His eye is bright, may its merry light
Wink always sly at me.

Old King Col. :D
 
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