Mickoo's North West US Vacation

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Okay, some pictures.....but first a bit of a blipvert prologue.

Columbia gorge has some stunning scenery, sadly nearly 90-95% is virtually in accessible, that which is can be difficult to access by it's self, typically by a lack of safe parking. Many photos I've looked at before coming out here can only have been taken by parking on the hard shoulder on the interstate, mind the interstate isn't that busy but most cars do 80 and most trucks 70.

Second, the traffic was light, maybe a bad day but I'm not going to get anywhere near the 7000 photos I took last time, mind a lot were of stock, which is easy to do when they're crawling along at 20 mph, out here line speed is 60 and they use ever bit of that to keep moving, it also makes chasing harder as they're going so bleedin fast; but, in your favour is that a lot of the line on both sides of the river are single track so they can stop every ten-twenty miles.

Because the track is on a shelf between the interstate and river you're limited to mostly head on shots and there are not many places where you can open out the approach angle.

Lastly, it's bloody windy, I mean really windy, so being forced to shoot telephoto due to the geography is not helped with the gusting winds.

Waffle over, here's the pics, I know where they are but have temporarily forgotten and it's been a long day with a 06:00 start and I really can't be bothered to cross reference them all with google maps right now, where I do know I'll note it.

First up has to be the (insert name here) bridge that lets BNSF cross from the north bank to the south, across the UP and climbs up the gorge side to then head south along the Deschutes River, UP has a link but only for East bound trains. Normally the lift span is raised and then lowered just before the train crosses, speaking to a couple of Aussies out here, there's one a day anywhere between 08:00 and 11:00

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Not sure where this is, today has been a run around up and down the gorge getting my bearings and noting locations for shots etc.

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This is the The Dalles which is where I'm staying, quite a large yard....by UK standards and trains stop here to let other pass, they do have a local switch engine which does a local trip which I need to explore. It was this GP38 but a manifest drop off the head end to pick the GP38 up and take it with them, I suspect it's going to Hinkle which is a massive UP maintenance depot and classification yard about 40-50 miles to the east.

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This BNSF has crossed the river and is crawling up the grade to the high line before turning south as Deschutes

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I'm sunny side down as I didn't want to get caught on the other side as I had a shot lined up less than a mile away......

In less than a couple of miles the line has climbed several hundred feet up and this tunnel with rock fences is what I was after.

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Traffic then basically stopped on both sides of the river for a good couple of hours until these two Eastbounds rattle by about 3-4 miles east of the John Day dam.

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Way over yonder a BNSF train with a CSX leader rolled west bound, the two Aussie guys set off in pursuit but I was low on gas so headed back, on;y to find the train had slowed so I whipped over the river on one of the bridges and bailed out for a grab shot before heading off to fill up.

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Having filled up I went back over to the north side to scope out heading west toward Seattle and chanced upon this tank train sat in a siding.

It's a good shot in the afternoon and was a location I'd marked off to try and use.

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Wider view with scenery.

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About 15 miles ahead was the CSX leader, again just sat in a siding.

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Braving the local kamikaze drivers I risked a shot next to the barrier, it's a lovely location but the road makes it difficult and if the train is moving you can be trackside of the barrier, nor can you be road side either, the pavement or kerb such as it is, is about 12" wide.

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I think the trick here, and in several other places, is to mount the camera on the tripod and use the remote WiFi shutter release, or pray, as in the case here, there's little traffic. The speed limit here is 60, for train and road, but locals are easily doing 70-80 along this back road.

I've no idea how the photos look, they look okay on the laptop but they may be over or under contrast etc, when compared with my normal set up.
 
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richard carr

Western Thunderer
The photos look great on my laptop Mick.

As I have read on a few rail fanning sites, it is legal to park on the hard shoulder of the interstate, but it isn't something that I would want to do if I had a choice about it.
I'll be in Ohio this Friday and Saturday, starting in Deshler and seeing what happens.

Richard
 

Jordan

Mid-Western Thunderer
I can see why switching a few cars around on a small layout can lose some of it's appeal when you've seen these freights pounding along. ;)
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
I can see why switching a few cars around on a small layout can lose some of it's appeal when you've seen these freights pounding along. ;)
You have no idea ;)

To be fair switching still interests me in O but only if I can get the detail I want. With RTR and many of the brass imports falling short or needing a lot of work, I am probably not going to.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
The photos look great on my laptop Mick.

As I have read on a few rail fanning sites, it is legal to park on the hard shoulder of the interstate, but it isn't something that I would want to do if I had a choice about it.
I'll be in Ohio this Friday and Saturday, starting in Deshler and seeing what happens.

Richard
Cheers for the info and feedback. I’d park if I can get at least two car widths space or no Armco and there are a few places like that, but most is only one car width and if you left your door open it’d likely be taken off and I’m sure a trooper would fine you if he saw you. Sometimes you can push stupidity too far lol.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
"Oregon Trunk Rail Bridge".... is this unique in having a junction on the bridge / over the river?
That’s the kiddy, cheers, I’ll try and get a photo from higher up with a train on it, which leads back to the parking safely issue.
 

oldravendale

Western Thunderer
Mick - No interest in US railways but these photos could make me change my mind! (I worked in LA and Montreal for a year and took no photos of the current scene!)

And that lift bridge is fabulous.

More, please.

Brian
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
"Oregon Trunk Rail Bridge".... is this unique in having a junction on the bridge / over the river?
Thinking about this today, it's not unique, there lots of them, PRR had several, C&O, B&O, VGN possibly too (pick railroad of choice....or all...not got my US photo archive here to check) and I'm sure (confident) SP had several. It's probably the most photographed though, so that might lead people to think it's uncommon.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Photos look grand to me Mick. My screen is colour balanced and corrected for photo editing, so keep up the good work :thumbs:

Ian
Excellent, my screen at home isn't colour balanced with the widget but it's been set up close, the laptop always seems to be washed out so I may have been over compensating the saturation and colours, I'll keep applying the set up I have so hopefully they'll all be okay.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Pics look pretty good to me. Nice depth of field. Just don't get run over by the locals!

Mike
I'm running a much higher ASA than I normally would to give a higher shutter speed as I've found fast closing objects tend to be out of focus, I've also set the camera to AI servo focus so it tracks the object. All of this means that it eats battery life like crazy, probably four days worth as opposed to several weeks to months with my normal set up.

But, I can't risk loosing shots, there's not enough traffic to Tommy machine gun shots and hope some hit, each one has to be spot on or it's lost for ever, the next train might be two or three hours later. Transcon 2 in California and Arizona might have 4-5 an hour so you can stay in one place and at least one of the trains will be in focus and clear.

It's a totally different mindset out this way with traffic so low in the last few days.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Okay, day 2 and a couple of things learned from yesterday, trains are few and far between so you have to maximize your locations and shots, driving up and down the I84 burns gas and often results in missed trains. Second, the mileages are scary high, so you need to be conscious of that as well, the result of this is that it's better to wait for the trains to come to you....that's easier said than done ;) Of course the dispatcher does have to actually send trains for that to work effectively!

Like yesterday, today was very quiet, I only saw two BNSF trains all day on the other side of the river, the first had MAC's up front and was definitely worth a chase; but the nearest bridge was 30 miles away and another 20 on top to a known good photo location (I've not scoped out the North side as yet) so it was very high risk. I decided to stay put at a place called Blalock Canyon, which happens to have an Interstate egress/access point, very handy as they're usually 15-20 miles apart.

In the morning you really need Eastbound trains to get the sun on the nose and the reverse in the afternoon, typically UP so far runs counter to that :headbang: bless!

So the first batch is all from the same location but different vantage points, it has merit and a place I'll probably return to, the only downside is that it's 40 miles from the motel. As is typical I missed two trains getting here, there being no off ramps nearby to swing back and chase, both had ACe's on point!

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ACe in the DPU....drats!

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This one snuck up on me, I was sat in the car looking East at a set of lights and they only turn on when a train is approaching, typically 4 minutes, if a train is approaching the lights then they will be green but the back side will also be red. Thus if you see a red aspect you know there's a train coming toward you, if you see a green it's coming from behind. So I'm sat looking East and this garbage local running at about 20 mph just rumbled by, I had periodically been checking the rear view mirrors but being as he was so short totally missed it until it was past.

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It's at this point the day got really exciting. The Aussie guys had tipped me off that there was a local trash train that ran from Arlington to the waste disposal plant with engines top and tail; being as Arlington was only ten miles away I decided to wandered down there.

At Arlington in the distance was a stack train (so I thought) and Arlington is a good photo spot anyway so needs more exploring, the branch runs through the middle of town and the GP60 was in the yard, but ambled off. I kind of figured it was either not trash or going somewhere else.

Eventually the stack train put on the ditch and head lights and I knew it was ready for the off, but it didn't take the main, it took the branch and as it got closer it became apparent it was the garbage train.

Up until this point I envisaged the trash train to be top and tailed by GP's and a few wagons, what was rolling toward me was at least a mile long with two GEVO's on point and I repositioned to grab a shot as it passed under the interstate.

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Having little else to do I jumped in the car to see where it went and grab some shots as it went through town and I ended up at the last crossing in town to grab some shots but missed the head end by the time I bailed out, as I got back in the car with the train passing some guys loafing on a porch waved at me, so I waved back and noted a billboard with a train on it; with the train still crawling by I drove over and spoke to them. Turns out it was the local UP crew shack and after pleasantries they were more than happy to explain about the trash train.

Typically it runs six days a week and heads up to the plateau 8-9 miles away where the waste facility is, by this time I could hear DPU's going flat out coming up on the rear, I asked how heavy was this train, they laughed and said 8000T was the traction limit and the grade was 2.2% (1:45 roughly) and if I turned right after the crossing could get some good shots further up the canyon. I bid fair well, grabbed a quick DPU shot and once passed crossed over and turned right.

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Then the chase was on, it didn't take long to catch up as track speed is limited 20 mph (I don't think they could go much faster given the grade and weight to be honest) so I just set the cruise control on the rental, opened all the windows and listened to the stack chat and whining traction motors at full torque as the two GEVO's crawled up the hill.

I don't have the vocabulary to begin to explain how steep, audible and visually overloading this spectacle is (hooked, line, sinker and Angling times I think is the phrase). It's incomprehensibly steep, the best physics lesson in gravity and engineering you can witness, each turn in the road revealed yet new vistas of the climb, eliciting yet more Viking expletives; to see a mile+ long 8000T train (not all of it it has to be said) stretched out up the canyon is staggering.

It didn't take long to scoot ahead and I found a really good (one of many) shot looking down the grade that conveys the grade and grand scenic vista of all this. Sadly crashing through the dry grass I slipped on a burnt log and pulled a hamstring and ended up basically hopping, crawling and hobbling to just get these shots, the grassy knoll to the left was the target spot and I'll be back tomorrow!

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I have to confess to getting a little bit over excited and taking this shot too soon, in my defence I was on my knees as my leg couldn't take any weight and in the moment, just smashed away with the shutter, any shot no matter how badly composed was better than none.

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For now, you'll just have to imagine the vista and train stretched out behind down the canyon (we'd call it a valley as opposed to a full blown rocky canyon) I'm afraid.

This is my Disney (my canine ball.....rabbit....squirrel...stick vice), my North West Cajon; fast water level trains are okay, but hill crawlers on their hands and knees is what I like best and this branch has it in spades thrice over.

A final shot of the DPU's still going flat out up the hill (sadly right in the suns face so very washed out) I kid you not, you can actually feel the ground shaking as they go past and that super creep screech is ear piercing up close.

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Limping back (and suddenly realizing this is Rattler country keeping a close eye on the ground ahead of me) to the rental I drove further up to see if anything of the industry could be seen. I have to say this site is staggering, a large yard with three more trains waiting to come down, plus one (pair of locos) in the trash transfer yard, the one I just saw and at least three-four other sets of train. The yard isn't big enough for a full train so they split it leaving the rear in the yard and drawing forward before setting the front half back on another line. The UP crew told me they process 10,000t or waste a day, 8,000 arrives by train, 2,000 by truck.

There's also a large industrial site here, mostly to do with wind farms and they have their own SD40-2 in BN green for switching, but it was between trains so I didn't risk getting closer. In one part of a vast (obligatory press reference to scale...three football pitches) gravel yard were two enormous transformers, easily the size of a 4 bed detached house each and the specialised truck which brought them there, or was taking them to the new site, probably a wind farm electrical hub. They may have arrived by train but I think they may be too heavy for the grade, mind the multi wheeled specialized trailer and tractor unit would have struggled up the road too.

It's shame about the sun angle, but this is one of UP's new spangly rebuilds (AC44CM I think?), basically the old 6000hp convertible (some did have the 6000 block but most has the 4400 block which could be swapped out for the 6000 in needed) units rebuilt with new 4400 engines and new control gear. These were the King Kong units in the catalogue at the time, I never saw any of the UP 6000hp units but saw several of the CSX ones.

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I'm not sure I like the new livery without wings and small cab flag myself; but that GE burble makes them alright in my books. My rental was parked about 50-75 yards away and the bottle of water in the centre console holder had ripples inside from the ground vibration at idle, I'll try and take a photo tomorrow.

Of course being top and tailed there was another pair on the rear for photography, double bubble.

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And to my left another empty train top and tailed to follow the one above down. Annoyingly the pair in the yard were SD70's, an ACe and an M, both priority target engines for me.

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Tonight 'was' my last night in this motel, I've just extended it by another three days on the back of this little branch and having not explored the north side or the river yet.

Back down at Arlington the signals remained blacked out and I decided to cut and run after seeing a BNSF Westbound across the river and he was cracking along too. A steady 50 mile run back at 70 MPH and jump over the river at The Dalles put me just ahead of him for a location I'd picked out called 'Horse Thief Lake'. I'd just pulled up and he was coming across the fill full bore, I'm constantly amazed at the speed they throw trains around these curves.

My primary spot was up on the left there by the post in the second picture (wider angle and all of the train sunny side up, however this sun on the nose and side shadow shot works well too), but barely being able to walk I only managed to hobble half way before he was on top of me.

This is a stunning location on the land side in the afternoon for a Westbound and in best Arnie voice 'I'll be back'

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I would have preferred a cigar band H2 leader, but the swoosh was all that was on offer so I can't be too picky really. The trailing ACe would have been a catch too, never seen a BNSF ACe on point either.

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There's a small boat landing ramp and crossing behind me so I can legally get water side of the tracks, I think this location is going to be good on that side for most of the day which is a big bonus.

The trailing shadow shot isn't bad either, legs willing I would have walked past that crossing sign and it ticked me off when I took the shot, but after processing I think it adds something. The location will work well from the water side in the morning and that rocky outcrop in the left background is prime real estate for photography, especially as around the bluff is The Dalles dam and lock gates, I'm not sure if the whole dam will be visible and there may be further spots around the corner. There's about five or six angles and positions here to work with but I need more than two trains a day BNSF!

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However, to park here you need a Washington Discover Pass ($11.50 a day or $35 a year), it can be bought on line or from nearly 600 fishing and sporting vendors so the web site tells me. The closest to me....and I still can't get over this....is in the row of shops right next door to the Motel, in fact I can see it out of the window as I type this, sometimes the moons align just perfectly.
 
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Big Train James

Western Thunderer
The new UP livery is :shit:, well mostly, I guess, kinda. In the end, I guess I don't care that much either way. But I'm glad to see them de-emphasize the flag and along with it the corporate "wrap ourselves in the flag" pandering. I think cutting the winged herald on the nose is unfortunate. If they wanted to save money, I'd rather they cut the flags entirely and stick with the wings. But nobody asked me :oops::rolleyes: .

Regarding Horse Thief Lake, I believe McClure Lake (and Thompson Lake with it) is a similar well known spot for photos, but on the opposite side of the river. It features the same sort of causeway that cuts off the small lake away from the river. The best part is there is a rest area and camp ground between the two lakes, so public access is available.

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If you're looking for UP Ace's, I know where you can find some. I see them through here all the time now. Unfortunately the 0.0% grades and nonexistent relief in my locale won't provide the atmosphere you covet :(. C'est la vie :cool:.

I appreciate the photos. I had one shot to "railfan" the area, when I helped my sister move from Denver to Seattle in 2017. I saw plenty of trains across Wyoming, and a fair number along the UP in Idaho and Oregon's Blue Mountains. Interstate 84 follows the UP main quite closely on the way north from Utah. Anyway, we had two choices when we got to the Columbia River. Either go the faster route north to Interstate 90, and then across, with risk of snow in the mountains, or follow Interstate 84 west along the river to Portland and then up, with safer weather. We took the fast route, which was unfortunate but prudent. We went one way, the trains went the other. So I recommend that one only travel with railfans, or at least only agree to help people move if they are railfans. There's got to be some payoff for the effort.

Last thing, it's interesting to me that the general perception of the Pacific Northwest is that it's continuously raining and soggy, with dense evergreen forest coating the landscape. But the reality of the eastern parts of Washington and Oregon is that it's very arid, as much of a desert as the areas along the BNSF main in the southwest. The eastern and western parts of the states feature completely different climates.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Oooh, Ooo hoppity feet!

Didn't know about Mclure Lake, totally missed than in all the research, it's just around the corner from Rowena which I have flagged for shots, Mclure is now on the bucket list :thumbs:

There's quite a few on the North side I've got marked out, Tunnel Lake, Rowland Lake and Chamberlain Lake (opposite Mclures).

I didn't, or haven't seen on the web many places West of Rowena for UP trains, I85 has very few egress/access jct's to peel off and explore, the North side has more spots, but even then you can go miles without a place to park, there's some really nice places but you just cannot access them, frustrating is the word.

ACe's seem to be on point more often out here, missed one when I was driving up here, two yesterday and two today so they are about, BNSF is very slack so far, usually it outweighs UP 3:1 in trains according to folks who've been before, right now it's 5:1 in UPs favour.

I have to confess that the weather was a worrying factor, but a guy I follow on Flickr who lives locally said they'd had 60 straight days with no rain and once you get further east of The Dalles the grass is parched dry, very much a Nebraska or Wyoming grassland big sky country feel, especially the Arlington branch.

The Dalles seems to be the change over point, west of here it gets progressively greener, east progressively dryer, not an aspect I actually like but it has a rugged simplicity that grows slowly on you. It's also incredibly rocky around here, the top soil is very thin and you're forever tripping over little rocky outcrops. There are a few 'big tree' locations on the BNSF to the west but nothing like what you get in the cascades, Stevens or Mullens passes. I'm still not sure I'm going to get up there but it does seem to be where most of the trains are.....simply because they're not here!

Spokane to Sandpoint seems to be the funnel stretch with all three BNSF lines feeding in from the west before splitting for the MRL and BNSF Transcon 1 high line.

It's also very windy, usually in the afternoon it rips up the gorge from the West, especially east of The Dalles, probably because the gorge narrows significantly, but east toward Arlington there's much less wind. I've been here two days and the sun and wind burn are already a factor.

So far I've only explored east of The Dalles on the UP, I still need to spend a day at least on the other three routes, west of The Dalles on the UP, east and west on the BNSF.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Mick

How about a bit of video of the trash train going up the hill, even if it's just with your phone, then we can all hear it.

Richard
I’d like too but the mic on the phone is shit and it’s so windy up here that’s all you’d get, I’ll try but suspect it’ll sound rubbish. I’ll need to cobble up some sort of grip on the tripod to hold the phone as well, perhaps repurpose the a/c vent holder as I’ll not be able to hold it steady for several minutes. Even without the audio the visual should look quite good though.
 
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