Warley - Who went, Report Here!!! (was 'Yorkchestershire' thread)

[Dave]

I may be going -but only if I can get a ride or someone wants to ride with me ( experience the astounding luxury of a 1971 Land Rover) and pay a share of the fuel and parking... Don't get me started about the parking...

I'm near Wakefield.

 

[Dog Star]

How far in a S11A Suffix H or J on leaf springs? With no door liners? no heater?

Oh go on, you have a safari wagon... that makes all of the difference.

I used to drive a 1967 LWB petrol and would do around 15, 000 miles per year. Big tyres, FWH and overdrive plus some playing with the ignition and cam timing got me around 22mph.... I would shiver at the thought of the fuel cost in today's money.

regards, Graham

BTW - Britpart springs? I used to take mine to my local Blacksmith in Reading (Merchant's Place in the centre of Reading town) and he would re-condition the springs....never had the problem of tired springs thereafter.

 

[7mmMick]

Dave,

I have many fond memories of working on my Dad's SWB S11A, it was fitted with a Ford V6 and use fly along, also fitted with 109 bigger brakes to make it pull up better. Sounded lovely but never did to round corners very well!! We always seemed to be changing the springs, hated burning out the old bushes and then then cutting the remaining sleeve out with a hacksaw !! Unfortunately I can't make Warley this year but I would join you in future to share costs as I too am near Wakefield

ATB Mick

 

[Dog Star]

I have many fond memories of working on my Dad's SWB S11A, it was fitted with a Ford V6 and use fly along, also fitted with 109 bigger brakes to make it pull up better.

We always seemed to be changing the springs, hated burning out the old bushes and then then cutting the remaining sleeve out with a hacksaw !!

What memories...

The 109" brakes were so much better than those fitted to the 88"... given that the 109" rear cylinders had a greater diameter than those on the 88" and that the 109" used four cylinders at the front compared to the two of the 88", what did you do about the master cylinder? Only problem with better brakes was that one needed better tyres than the typical Dunlop - I still have some BF Goodrich with a decent block tread mounted on 7.50x16 split rims (and would run straight if a tyre deflated).

V6 in a SWB, that was tight. I was one of the support crew for a guy who did safari racing and he had a S11A SWB with first a standard petrol plus Rootes blower... then a V8, then a V8 with twin turbos. Finally ended up using a Chevy 5.7L with Aluminium block and twin turbos. Grunt by the bucket load.

I know what you mean about getting the old bushes out of the springs. I made some tooling to push out the bush using a press, same for inserting the new bushes. Still had to use the hacksaw for the frame bush.

regards, Graham

 

[Phill Dyson]

I'm from the area, but not going I'm afraid Dave

 

[7mmMick]

Hell Fire a 5.7l Chevy, that's a huge lump to squeeze in and a huge amount of grunt for an 88'. If I remember right the master cylinder was S111 LWB but I maybe wrong about that? My Dad ran 750 16s on 109 wheels, I think they were a deeper rim than the 88 ? There were three S11A's in the area that had the V6 fitted and although I'm not sure I think Ashcroft did a gearbox conversion for them, god knows what they did mpg but I bet it wasn't a lot ! I remember when we fitted a safari roof, it was an exciting upgrade at the time and we thought she was top of the range !! Landy's like Railways are certainly in the blood and as you say very Happy memories,

ATB Mick

 

[queensquare]

My mistake, thought this was a Warley thread

Jerry

 

[Dog Star]

My mistake, thought this was a Warley thread

Yes, the original post did pose a question about Warley... and offered the delights of travel in a Land Rover which is something to be savoured at least once.

So for a final contribution before the Flying Squad asks for a return to sanity...

A 5.7L Chevy would not fit in an 88 and survive - UJ angles of the rear prop shaft would have been too great for the power. The 88 was exchanged for a SWB body on a shortened Range Rover chassis and even then we had to use a bellhousing from a LR 101" FC to get sensible prop shaft angles. I recall one time when the owner was trogging up the M5 past a Military convoy and the tailgate must have radioed to the front guy because his motor was thrashing its nuts off as this "SWB" just left him standing.

Time to get back to 7mm modelling.

Thanks for the Memory (Hubert Gregg, BBC Radio, 1970s).

 

[Rob Pulham]

Hi Dave, I too am from Wakefield but like Phill not likely to be going to Warley either.
Sorry.

 

[Dog Star]

... I too am from Wakefield...

I thought that you were the Lord from Tedcaster .

 

[Dave]

I forgot to say I can only make the Sunday.

If it tempts anyone it's an 88", fitted with overdrive and a 2.5 litre turbocharged and intercooled diesel.

No roof lining or soundproofing though... I'm not really selling this, am I?

Never mind - here's a bit of Land Rover porn for those who are interested.

It is now sporting a hard top and is somewhat dirtier than in this post-rebuild shot.

 

[Jordan]

Hi Dave, I too am from Wakefield but like Phill not likely to be going to Warley either.
Sorry.

I'm not from Wakefield; I have lived in Warley years ago; am still relatively local, but won't be going either....

...in fact I suspect a "Who's going to Warley?" Thread on here would be pretty quiet.... apart from various debates on how good/bad/too big a Show it is, wanderings OT about modes of transport to get there, and a descent into a colour war....

 

[Dave]

I'm not really fussed about the show but I want to have a look at what's on offer to replace my Dynamis controller first hand so it's as good a place as any with all the trade n that.

And to buy myself an Xmas present.

 

[Dog Star]

... experience the astounding luxury of a 1971 Land Rover....

If it tempts anyone it's an 88", fitted with overdrive and a 2.5 litre turbocharged and intercooled diesel. Never mind - here's a bit of Land Rover porn for those who are interested.

Looks very nice and the spec reads well... however, 1971 might be the year of registration... not the year of manufacture. Military tow rings and side lights suggests something else. Deep valances under the doors suggests pre-suffix G whilst single wiper motor (left hand side of bulkhead) indicates suffix F.... that aligns with headlamps in the radiator panel. How about manufacture in 1968-1969?

Where was the picture taken?

regards, Graham

 

[Dave]

The year of manufacture depends on which part you choose. It was a running rebuild over a period of five years. It's made up out of different Land Rovers, dating between 1954 and 1984. Not to mention a replacement (galvanised) chassis, new springs and recon gearbox.

The picture was taken near Dolgellau, December 2009.

 

[Dog Star]

The year of manufacture depends on which part you choose. ... It's made up out of different Land Rovers, dating between 1954 and 1984.
The picture was taken near Dolgellau, December 2009.

So mid-way betweenb 1954 and 1984 is .... 1969!

What did you use from a SI? I ask because I thought that there was little in the way of commonality between SI and SII in the way of mechanicals... possibly the gearbox casing.

Pic is very nice indeed.

regards, Graham

 

[mickoo]

Looks very nice and the spec reads well... however, 1971 might be the year of registration... not the year of manufacture. Military tow rings and side lights suggests something else. Deep valances under the doors suggests pre-suffix G whilst single wiper motor (left hand side of bulkhead) indicates suffix F.... that aligns with headlamps in the radiator panel. How about manufacture in 1968-1969?

Where was the picture taken?

regards, Graham

Wow, and I thought my cupboard was stuffed with obsesive detail (class 66 + others) Anoraks! LOL

Theres something boys toys / yomp and yomping about a SWB landi, especially in green, very 'Corgi' toy and suspect loads of fun when the going gets tough . Theres a local one kicking around here and looks like one of these hill/rock/forest climbing event thingies, huge block in there, massive wheels and tyres, goes like stink. Massive bull bars and other defensive metal work mean no worries about anything if you get it all crossed up, and punt some other poor person in their kit kat wrapper of a vehicle off the road.

Back to OP, I am intending to got to Warely it has a nice mix of 2mm right up to 5 1/2" to drool over and the work benches often throw up some nice models, it is cramped, the food is expensive and it'll cost a goodly £60 in go go juice to get there and back, but I like it. Sadly not from Yorkcestershire (Google or Bing failed to determine where that might be??) though LOL.

Kindest

 

[7mmMick]

Lovely Landy Dave, with the work you've done she should last forever. Seeing as it's Dave's thread and he put the first picture up I thought i'd continue. Attached is my pride and joy, sadly now in America but never forgotton. She's an early 110 V8, when I bought her she was in that first livery, the red with white body stripes and a rotton chassis which was almost rotted through. 10k later and here she is, V8 and all,



ATB Mick

 

[Dog Star]

Nice Mick, SUs?

You sold it?

The last LR that I owned was a 1986 90 V8 County with carbs rather than injection. Sold to provide the deposit on the first house.

Mickoo... I still have yards of workshop manuals, parts catalogues and military handbooks for the breed, together with the Quaife diffs. There are some things you neverforget.

 

[Dave]

So mid-way betweenb 1954 and 1984 is .... 1969!

What did you use from a SI? I ask because I thought that there was little in the way of commonality between SI and SII in the way of mechanicals... possibly the gearbox casing.

Pic is very nice indeed.

regards, Graham

The high/low range lever bracket (the bit that the lever goes through and is attached to the transfer box) is the only part from a series 1 that I remember fitting. You can use series 1 gearboxes and/or transfer boxes but I think the bellhousings are different and the internals are not as strong as the later boxes. The casing is more or less the same on all series motors and was based on a pre-war Rover car box, IIRC.

The diffs are 3.54:1 ratio, from an early Range Rover and with those and the overdrive engaged it means some 60% higher gearing over standard. A standard 2 1/4 diesel or petrol would never pull that gearing but the Tdi can. It means the engine is doing less than 2500rpm @ 60mph where the standard set up would have it revving to the limit. So it makes motorway cruising much less stressful on motor and driver.

In 2009 I did over 500 road miles in one day, starting about 40 miles south of Le Mans and ending up at Wakefield. It'll even pull my caravan up Stainmore, on the A66, without dropping out of top gear!

Stuff Warley - I have a mental block about paying a tenner to park and I can't be bothered having to endure the scrum to get near stalls and and peering into the gloom at the layouts. I'll be going to the Hull exhibition this weekend so, hopefully, I'll get a replacement for the Dynamis there.

I think I'll go do some off-roading in the Land Rover on the weekend of Warley instead...