Prototype A few photos from otherwhere
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Richard Gawler
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No space for flanges, as though the railway has been 'kept' but is no longer used. Could it be in Lisbon, in Portugal?
Richard Gawler
Western Thunderer
I think the building is old and is now a museum, but not dedicated to the tramway. The rails are a modern installation along the route of a lost tramway.
So, perhaps a local museum, housed in a former tramway building, and located in Portugal?
So, perhaps a local museum, housed in a former tramway building, and located in Portugal?
simond
Western Thunderer
simond
Western Thunderer
Yes, old
Not strictly a museum, certainly not tramway
Rails not modern
Yes, Portugal
Still pretty warm
But not hot…
Yorkshire Dave
Western Thunderer
Given the apparent gradient and the poster advertising Rosé I would say somewhere around Oporto or the Douro Valley.
Richard Gawler
Western Thunderer
Certainly not a tramway, and no flangeways either. I suggest the two rails are not part of a transport system at all but are marking some kind of boundary. So my new guess is, there is a water service pipe below the ground between them. The rails show maintenance crews where to open up the ground.
Richard Gawler
Western Thunderer
I have never been to Portugal but I have looked at dozens of photos in the last few days. I am still baffled so I shall withdraw now, knowing it looks like a lovely place with some particularly good driving roads.
Yorkshire Dave
Western Thunderer
I have seen and read somewhere some seafront grand hotels built halfway or at top of hills also included a horse drawn or electric tramways to convey their guests and luggage from the bottom entrance gates of the hotel grounds to the hotel building.
Dog Star
Western Thunderer
Somewhat similar to the goods "lift" up the side of the rock upon which sit Mont St. Michel.
simond
Western Thunderer
Ok, I’ll put you all out of your misery
It’s in the Taylor’s Port House on the south bank of the Douro in the city of Oporto. I wasn’t able to establish a provenance but it appeared to stretch up from what is now “WOW” (World of wines) to the main sheds where the barrels are stored for aging. My surmise is that a horse tramway existed for the purpose of bringing the wine barrels up from the river to the shed.
No cigars, but I think a round of Port is in order
More photos of Porto to follow.
Sadly, I didn’t get good photos to demonstrate, but the funicular just inland of the famous Dom Luis 1 bridge is a tad unusual, it changes gradient a little less than half way up - it’s around 45 degrees at the bottom, and more like 15 at the top.
The bridge is actually quite scary if you’re not keen on heights….
en.m.wikipedia.org
The funicular appears in the Wikipedia photo
It’s in the Taylor’s Port House on the south bank of the Douro in the city of Oporto. I wasn’t able to establish a provenance but it appeared to stretch up from what is now “WOW” (World of wines) to the main sheds where the barrels are stored for aging. My surmise is that a horse tramway existed for the purpose of bringing the wine barrels up from the river to the shed.
No cigars, but I think a round of Port is in order
More photos of Porto to follow.
Sadly, I didn’t get good photos to demonstrate, but the funicular just inland of the famous Dom Luis 1 bridge is a tad unusual, it changes gradient a little less than half way up - it’s around 45 degrees at the bottom, and more like 15 at the top.
The bridge is actually quite scary if you’re not keen on heights….
Dom Luís I Bridge - Wikipedia
The funicular appears in the Wikipedia photo
simond
Western Thunderer
An EMU, apologies, no more detail at present.
Booking hall seen from platforms. It’s lovely.
Not sure why a crowned, throned king is the obvious decoration for a terminus, but…
Obviously a maritime nation, the locos have port & starboard buffers…
Top of the cliff above the funicular
View from the Dim Luis bridge
Metro on the bridge
Trying to capture the steepness of the funicular
40, maybe 45 degrees
An old street tram point, just outside the upper station
simond
Western Thunderer
Found this on the funicular
en.wikipedia.org
I’d hoped for more technical details, but they ain’t sayin’
Funicular dos Guindais - Wikipedia
I’d hoped for more technical details, but they ain’t sayin’
Neil
Western Thunderer
Right I think I can add a bit here. There was on the south bank of the Douro in Porto a broad gauge rack railway, the Elevador de Gaia which linked the main line at Villa Nova de Gaia to the quayside on the Douro. It's use was primarily for the port wine traffic and as far as I can tell from the indistinct map I have it ran past Taylors Port House and WOW. The line was loco worked initially by a pair of 0-4-0s built by Kessler of Esslingen, supplemented by a Borsig in 1906 and another Borsig in 1921 which effectively replaced the original pair. Apparently passengers were carried until 1906 and regular services finished in the late thirties but may have seen occasional use after that. The quayside lines were lifted in 1958 and the rack section in 1960. Most of this information has been gleaned from an LRTA publication The Tramways of Portugal but I've found one photo on the internet here.