Let's roll - Finescale of a sort

Peter Insole

Western Thunderer
Say what you will about the NHS, once the wheels start moving the pace can almost be frightening: My feet have barely had a chance to touch ground since the previously mentioned " surgical procedure"!

Progress has been rather slow on the project of late, but it appears likely to be further interrupted over the next few months as the serious treatment gets under way?! I was really hoping (with an awaited and tracked Royal Mail parcel being sent to Manchester instead of Suffolk notwithstanding) to get the bogies ready for testing under the carriage during the early part of next week. Sadly, it threatens to become a case of so near, yet so far?

During a mixed up week of ins, outs, ups and downs, I did manage to do some work on the bench though:

It eventually dawned on me that the only way to deal with the problem of inaccessibility to the bottom end of the centre pins, brought about by my determination to retain continuous spring planks, could be solved by boring a large enough hole through same, and then add a removable strengthening plate in each of the beams. The problem was only a matter of how that could be achieved with the available tools:

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There simply was not enough metal in the beam to cut the full size required to pass an M10 nut or bolt head through, but by shaving the flats off the latter, a 16mm hole would suffice. The problem was that I did not possess such a bit, and was not particularly inclined to go out and buy one for a single task! I did however have a 12mm... and a nice, new countersink to play with!

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It was admittedly a bit of a faff using round files to chew out the remaining meat between countersunk bores on either side of each beam... but I got there in the end!

Then came more of the now familiar fun and games...

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I trust that this arrangement should be sufficient to replace the missing metal in the middle?

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"Take aim... steady... steady... SHOOT!"

(Note the correct naval terminology there. I may not have the sea in my blood - but if I did; some might be fully justified in saying they can see where it gets in!)

These bogies are really looking as if a heavy calibre gun of some sort should be attached anyway?!

The centre pins are slightly unusual now, in that they will remain on the bogie, and pass upward into the carriage underframe. I intend to fit a castle nut, or similar on the top where the pin extends above the timber crossbeam. Hopefully, the only time the baseplate will ever be removed is to allow the pin to be dropped out, if and when a spring needs replacing?

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They do zip along quite nicely - even on the slightly bumpy steel tramlines, but it still remains to be seen how they perform under load?

Just waiting for the (much travelled) order of more springs and a set of bearings to arrive before that can happen!

Pete.
 
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Peter Insole

Western Thunderer
I had set up the bogies temporarily on the frames - just to see how they fit, but was still awaiting the somewhat overdue, and much travelled order of extra springs.

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Finally, the consignment, including a set of four ball-race bearings for the bolster guides arrived this afternoon... Huzzah!

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With such fine, dry weather at last, it seemed a shame to spend much time down in the workshop - so I after fitting the springs I decided that a quick test was in order!

"Somewhere" I have some 30mm long, stainless steel stand-off collars that were ordered for another job - but turned out to be the wrong size. Now they would be perfect for this, but for the life of me, I cannot find them anywhere! I did discover a pair of large brass sleeves that happen to be 30mm, so they will happily suffice for the time being:

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I was mightily relieved to note that the already considerable weight of the carriage body did not itself deflect the springs. However, it still remains to be seen how much the carriage will roll when under load?!

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Gosh! It is so nice to get it up on it's own wheels at long last!

There is still a bit of work in making up four brackets, then fitting the bearings and associated rubbing plates on the cross-members before full testing can commence. It does nonetheless feel a little more like I am on the home straight now!

Pete
 
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David B

Western Thunderer
Fabulous work Pete - looks magnificent! Well worth all of that endless bending, drilling and tapping.

David
 

cctransuk

Western Thunderer
..... I worked as a young Technical Illustrator at Marshall's of Cambridge in the Aircraft Design Office.

Never, in my forty years at Cambridge City Council - initially as a draughtsman / technician - did I imagine that Marshalls on Newmarket Road was the scene of such anarchy!

(Though I could tell some tales of the goings-on in the Guildhall)!

John Isherwood.
 

cctransuk

Western Thunderer
.... talking of Marshalls (Cambridge)!

The emergency access gates from Newmarket Road onto the airfield were fence panels, mounted on two-foot-gauge Hudson tippler chassis, running on short lengths of matching portable track.

Not many people know that .....!

John Isherwood.
 

Peter Insole

Western Thunderer
Now you come to mention it John, the Hudson chassis and rails has jogged a memory! As for the high jinks... the story I told was just one, and particularly tame at that!

To be fair, most of the boffin's and draughtsmen were a rather staid lot... but it was mostly us in the "Technical Publications" section that ran dear old Stanley Cooper, the ADO manager, ragged at times - as well as the aforementioned, and mild mannered chief illustrator! The boss used to frequently call out; "How are all my little Rembrandts today?" In his own way he could give as good as he got though, and whilst always careful to maintain the appearance of appropriately stern governance, I personally caught him in a couple of unguarded moments chuckling at some of our outrageous antics!

Pete.
 

Yorkshire Dave

Western Thunderer
I was mightily relieved to note that the already considerable weight of the carriage body did not itself deflect the springs. However, it still remains to be seen how much the carriage will roll when under load?!

The footwell looks rather close to the rail. I presume the test will come with a 'full' 2 person load as to how far the truck springs compress and whether the footwell will ride over any undulations without scraping.
 

Peter Insole

Western Thunderer
It is indeed a bit low Dave, but the carriage was only temporarily set up and balanced on the cobbled brass collars! When the bolster guide wheels and their rubbing plates are added I will have to pack the collars up with some heavy duty washers to match. Then the bogies should ride higher?!

I am more or less convinced that I am going to require a large, and very stiff spring at each bolster centre, with just sufficient flex to allow the necessary pitch movement, but enough to notably limit the overall vertical travel?

The next week or so is going to be interesting, to say the very least?!

Pete.
 

Peter Insole

Western Thunderer
The sun shone something lovely yesterday, and I took full advantage of the warm stuff to get outside for a test and rest session!

Prior to that, I had at last got the main construction work completed on the bogies:

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I had tapped the M10 bearing bolts into the brackets and then flushed them off to allow plenty of room for movement of the bogie frames - although it was later to prove an unnecessary precaution.

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The two critical points were to keep the spacing of the bearing tracks as far outboard as practically possible, and for the brackets themselves to act as the essential sideplay restraints.

I left a small gap between the brackets and frames to hopefully permit enough room for the rolling action of the suspension?

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I was still not sure whether the springs are going to be man enough for their task, although the rest of the beast looks (and feels) rather a hefty bit of kit now!

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Back out in the sunshine, the unladen clearance didn't look too bad?!

Pete.
 

Peter Insole

Western Thunderer
Thank you Brian. Everything is rather angular on these bogies - except the curved bends of the frame bars, so it just seemed to be a "right" looking embellishment for the bolster ends? I also thought that as they protrude so much beyond the frames that rounding off the sharp corners might make them slightly less likely to be a snagging hazard?!

As the bearings on my drill press are now completely worn out, (I can now see as well as hear the waggle in the chuck!) centre punch marks have become a matter of vain hope that any hole will be more or less in the right county! Consequently each fitting is unique, requiring clear orientation marks for the time when it all has to be stripped down for painting!

Here are more of the pictures from yesterday:

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I screwed the seats back on... so that I could plant my weight solidly down in the normal (?!) passenger position, and asked Mr. O to take the two above shots revealing the amount of spring deflection.

Hmm? Admittedly a little bit more than I had hoped... but at least they were not (quite) bound. More thought required there methinks?

After taking the pictures Mr. O then volunteered to hop aboard, and I wheeled him comfortably round "his" garden! Despite the fresh set of doubts, the carriage actually ran very freely indeed... so I can be fairly confident that the loco's shouldn't have too much trouble hauling it!

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Some further built up rubbing plates have been the order of play for today, although my "meds" are starting to kick in, and I didn't get nearly as far as I would have liked. It would be nice if I could get the work done on this - before the nice NHS people start cooking me in their microwave!

Pete.
 

ovener

Western Thunderer
Peter, that is delightful.
I could see myself having a picnic just sitting on one of those seats in the sun!
Cheered me up seeing that on a grey old day here.
Richard
 

Peter Insole

Western Thunderer
Tim, the final, all over shade will be the same as that already applied to the seat frames and footwell interior.

Although the livery is conjectural, I had originally hoped to mix a reasonable representation of Canadian Pacific Railway red, (the owner/sponsor of the original Bassett-Lowke order) but after the initial disappointment, it came out as something that I now find is a rather satisfying evocation of London Transport "Bullock Maroon"... perhaps unsurprisingly therefore I have decided it will stay like that!

It might look a bit strange though with the intended, Deco style, CANPAC lettering on the solebars, as well as silver Hammerite finished bogies, but then again it will not have eight more matching companions, nor a really nice, Greenly designed Great Northern Atlantic to haul it either!

Besides my own indulgences, there is an arising clamour around these parts of; "When is it going to be ready Grandad?"... so I doubt they will be particularly bothered, one way or the other?!

Pete.
 

Peter Insole

Western Thunderer
Sorry Tony, I had to go and look that up! Ha ha, love it!

Now I am worried about spillages if any of our crowd fancy doing the same Richard!

That reminds me of the distant days of motoring when the children were young: The back of the car used to get absolutely disgusting - with the remains of sticky sweets, biscuit crumbs, spilt juice and other indescribable stains.

I also frequently drove my parents around: The back of the car used to get absolutely disgusting - with the remains of sticky sweets, biscuit crumbs and spilt tea!

Now I am the passenger, the youngsters say: "Oh God... we can't take you anywhere... just look at the mess you have made...!

Hoh hum!

Pete.
 
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