Pencarrow
Western Thunderer
I can see why it was cheap Mick, some Muppet stuck extra wheels on the 37....
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I can see why it was cheap Mick, some Muppet stuck extra wheels on the 37....
mickoo
Western Thunderer
Not Scottish though
Tending more toward NE, maybe Yorkshire or LMR, all very fluid with a large bucket full of Rule #1.
richard carr
Western Thunderer
Mick
You do realise that the windscreen angle is seriously wrong.
I did see someone fix it, it might even have been on here.
The bogies are also poor at keeping the pony truck on the track. Reducing the side play helped on mine.
Other than that they are quite nice models.
Richard
You do realise that the windscreen angle is seriously wrong.
I did see someone fix it, it might even have been on here.
The bogies are also poor at keeping the pony truck on the track. Reducing the side play helped on mine.
Other than that they are quite nice models.
Richard
Pencarrow
Western Thunderer
Richard,
No I didn't know that, but at the end of the day if you want a class 40 there's little alternative these days.
If it niggles me enough I'll either change it or sell it.
I'll have a look at the pony truck, the side play does feel a tad excessive
If it's Heljan, I'm not surprised at excessive side play. The AC railbus I have, which is a 4 wheel vehicle not really needing any side play, has so much on each axle that the pickups can lose contact. It can almost travel sideways down the track....
James
Western Thunderer
Worth having a word with Brian at Shawplan.
NHY 581
Western Thunderer
The sideway thing is pretty much a trait of Heljan. Their earlier, 4mm diesel models are, to varying degrees, all marred by this. Add in soft, bendy pick ups and It's not a good recipe to produce good running.
That said, their 4mm Class 11 is superb. I only hope their imminent Class 02 is as good, 4mm and 7mm ( the latter intrigues me, a lot )
Rob
smgee
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Those 40s have a bit of a reputation for derailing, which seems to be due to the back-to-backs being wrong (although the internet is full of alternative theories). I found this was the case with a friend's, and a few adjustments fixed the problem.
Mine also arrived with half the windows having fallen out. Mick @mickoo - I found the missing windows rattling round inside the bodyshell.
I haven't checked the wheels yet, but my Peak runs faultlessly with the same (similar?) bogies.
Mine also arrived with half the windows having fallen out. Mick @mickoo - I found the missing windows rattling round inside the bodyshell.
I haven't checked the wheels yet, but my Peak runs faultlessly with the same (similar?) bogies.
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James
Western Thunderer
Our class 40 ran faultlessly for over 2,000 miles, even when it wore groves and steps in its wheels it kept going.
Thread 'National Railway Museum Workbench' 7mm - National Railway Museum Workbench
The pony trucks seem to be the weakest part of the design.
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mickoo
Western Thunderer
Richard runs Scale 7, so any design deficits (Heljan) are probably going to be highlighted with the more accurate wheel profiles is my guess.
I'm still undecided to stay OF or go S7, I did start my O gauge side of the hobby ten + something years ago in S7 but moved over to OF as it all seemed a bit of a chore; certainly for steam engines; but for diesels, it's an attractive option to muse.
Being as I don't have any layout to run them as such, I don't have all that legacy baggage to consider so it's all very much a green field site.
I'm still undecided to stay OF or go S7, I did start my O gauge side of the hobby ten + something years ago in S7 but moved over to OF as it all seemed a bit of a chore; certainly for steam engines; but for diesels, it's an attractive option to muse.
Being as I don't have any layout to run them as such, I don't have all that legacy baggage to consider so it's all very much a green field site.
Pencarrow
Western Thunderer
There seems to be a few on the thread who have played with Heljan wheel sets. As such can I ask what's the best method to get rid of the slop? I presume washers of some sort, but do the wheels come off and on the axles without issue?? Apologies for the diversion Mick.
richard carr
Western Thunderer
The running problems with 40's was seen widely and talk about extensively on RMWEb.
Heljan may have improved things, your 40 is from the later batch Mick. As I said reducing the side play did seem to cure the problem, even in S7, it just doesn't cure the windscreen issue, which you don't really notice until you put it against a JLTRT one then you do.
JLTRT ones had just the same issue of keeping the pony truck on the track.
Richard
Heljan may have improved things, your 40 is from the later batch Mick. As I said reducing the side play did seem to cure the problem, even in S7, it just doesn't cure the windscreen issue, which you don't really notice until you put it against a JLTRT one then you do.
JLTRT ones had just the same issue of keeping the pony truck on the track.
Richard
mickoo
Western Thunderer
I'll pull it out later again and check the B2B and take a closer look at the pony truck arrangement.
I don't have a JLTRT clas 40 here, just Heljan 37 and JLTRT 37 which I think are pretty much the same cabs, certainly the windscreen, side windows and door areas; not sure if EE/RSH used a different jig for each class, I'm guessing not or with minimal alterations.
I'll do some side shots and compare with 1:1 and see what might be needed to correct it.
BTW, your tankless model (nice feature which I may blatantly copy as they came about in my era) is that JLTRT?
mickoo
Western Thunderer
I'll find out in due course and let you now if no one else beats me to it.
James
Western Thunderer
If Shawplan would produce their EE windscreen etches in 7mm it could be easily solved.
mickoo
Western Thunderer
To be honest, that was the route I was going to go down with the 37's, primarily to reduce the frame thickness to something more managable.
I'd done something similar to my Marklin G1 V200 and it worked well but the etches needed a tweak to fit the model better....that was a few years ago and I've never done the MkII version as yet.
I need some etches for the bonnet doors and straps etc when they're opened up workshop style as well as tank steps to fit to the 3D ones and there's a few other etc bits I will probably need as well.
I just hadn't considered doing the same to the 40...yet.
I'd done something similar to my Marklin G1 V200 and it worked well but the etches needed a tweak to fit the model better....that was a few years ago and I've never done the MkII version as yet.
I need some etches for the bonnet doors and straps etc when they're opened up workshop style as well as tank steps to fit to the 3D ones and there's a few other etc bits I will probably need as well.
I just hadn't considered doing the same to the 40...yet.
I'd be really interested to know as well! The pony truck on my Class 40 often derails over double slips.
Ian
richard carr
Western Thunderer
Mick
The 37 cab and 40 cab are the same.
I recall that a couple of 40s got 37 cabs after accidents, or maybe it was the other way round.
Richard
The 37 cab and 40 cab are the same.
I recall that a couple of 40s got 37 cabs after accidents, or maybe it was the other way round.
Richard
mickoo
Western Thunderer
That'd make sense, I've a niggle the bonnets might different, primarily in length and I think the amount of taper, though the front end I think is pretty much the same profile and width. But the actual cab should be pretty close with a slight change at the cill level where the 37 cuts in and the 40 is flush.
It'd be interesting to find out if the 40's have a slightly narrower body due to their length and lack of undercut seen on the 37, possibly/probably not.