On Heather's Workbench - Standard Superpower

Heather Kay

Western Thunderer
There have been hints dropped for a while, but I think it's time to let the cat out of the bag. I was asked by John Lewsey if I'd contemplate building the 9F that's been in his possession for some time. Perhaps foolishly, I said yes.

The kit is from Jim Harris, branded as Transport Age. The box, which is never going to accommodate the finished model, sadly, contains etched brass and nickel silver, a lot of whitemetal castings, and a few brass castings, plus wire and sundry bearings and fixings.

We've worked out the most likely loco number that might have run somewhere in the Midlands with the BR1C tender, that being 92082 shedded at Wellingborough (15A), around the end of the 1950s. Sadly, I've since discovered Severn Mill hasn't got 92082 (there's a trend developing here, as hinted at by my 57xx build thread), but he does have the next one down.

John had the manufacturer preform some of the complex curves, and roll and solder up the boiler, which saves me a bit of a faff if I'm honest. So, what's in the box?

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Here we see the cab, firebox, boiler, smokebox, chassis and part of the motion. The second cylinder frame was in the box, lost among the instructions. The etches are very much of their time, with a little misregistration in places, but nothing to write home about. The firebox and one of the cab sides have been formed up, and the basic cab front/floor folded. At the top is the boiler, and the smokebox, which was rolled but hadn't had the rivets punched - until I got at it the other day.

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Springs, rest of the motion, running plate, chassis spacers and rudimentary pony truck. The running plate looks a bit wonky because it has been separated from the main etch. I've just posed the bits roughly in place.

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The parts for the tender, and some remaining motion bits. I need to check the chosen loco's tender was beriveted, as that'll keep me occupied for an hour or two.

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Castings. I've elected, for the time being, not to break open the bags. At some point, I will decant the parts into various ziplock bags, and give them a good assessment as to suitability. Best Beloved has previous with an Oakville kit, the 350hp English Electric shunter kit, so the items here hold no fears for me. Some will be replaced by better items, others may scrub up with a little work, yet others may be replaced by scratch built parts. We'll see. Immediately I can see we need a better drawbar fixtures...

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This is a long-term project. What this means is that John is quite happy for me to take my time, and I plan on spending a little time here and there when other builds get on top of me. We've been slowly acquiring bits and pieces, such as the tender wheels (reprofiled by Colin Dowling (eastsidepilot)). The pony and driving wheels are the subject of debate, as we might be able to acquire a nice set from a third party, with the main driven axle with the larger boss and lacking flange. Watch this space, as they say.

Thoughts have been given to the motion in the kit, what sort of suspension we might want, and where and how to fit the DCC and sound. Don't expect a lot of activity now I've broken the silence, but if there are any comments or experiences that might be shared about building Oakville kits, please feel free to post away.
 

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
OOOoo o! You know how to tempt peeps. A spaceship in S7 is going to be worth watching.

What is special / different about a BR1C tender on a '9' in the Midlands that care has had to be taken in selecting a candidate for the model?
 

Heather Kay

Western Thunderer
What is special / different about a BR1C tender on a '9' in the Midlands that care has had to be taken in selecting a candidate for the model?


From what I can gather, the batch the chosen loco fits in was built with BR1C. Around 1961 or '62, the smaller tender (1F?) was swapped in. For the initial research and choosing a suitable number I chose the shed, then the loco that was allocated there (Wellingborough had a fair chunk of 9s, including the Crostis both before and after rebuilding, for the Midland main line route), and just ensured it was a loco that had the 1C tender as John had specified when he bought the kit.

I think that's clear. :confused::D
 

Osgood

Western Thunderer
Looks like 92077 - 92086 for LMR had the 1C tender, so the available 92081 plate would be ok? In fact all the LMR batches (apart from their first two in 1954 and another 10 in 1955) had the 1C tender - no other region specified this tender. I gather the tender water capacity was matched to regional duties, the WR having all 1Gs, and the ER had all 1Fs.

I guess tenders would have been swapped out when regional transfers were made.
 

richard carr

Western Thunderer
Hi Heather

I built a DJH one a few years ago, and I started a crosti one of these too but never got the tender finished.

Rob Thompson tells me that some nice CNC milled wheels could be available soon (only in S7) but he hasn't mentioned the price !

I compensated mine with lots of beams imagining it to be 2 0-6-0s joined together. I used martin Finney horn blocks and put them in the wrong way round as 9fs have outside horn blocks. It all appears to work well except for getting rid of all the shorts there are a lot of very tight clearances on the valve gear and brakes.

I'm sure it will be "fun" to build !

Richard
 

oldravendale

Western Thunderer
Hi Heather.

I built an Oakville Black 5 a goodly few years ago. Some of it went together quite well, but some of it was an absolute pain. At this distance in time I can't remember what the bad bits were though! I certainly remember scratch building the slide bars because those provided in the kit were white metal as were the crossheads.

However, it was only the third or fourth kit I'd built and if building it now I think I'd have had fewer problems. As mentioned elsewhere I'm finishing the build of a DJH 9F, so far with no insurmountable problems, although I agree with comments made elsewhere about DJH kits - it's a bit agricultural. I'll post pictures when I start it again in earnest but getting on top of the ravages of winter in the garden are the priority right now, or so I'm told.

Best.

Brian
 

Heather Kay

Western Thunderer
Transport Age........good luck Heather!

I know what you mean, but I am prepared for the struggle.

A little story about the 350hp shutter which might amuse. Many years ago, Best Beloved and I were exhibiting our train set at a show in the now defunct Bletchley Leisure Centre. Jim Harris had his stand in another hall, and as we had met him a few times at shows, we passed the time of day. The shunter kit was on the stand, and was a reasonable price.

BB went and bought the kit a little later, but Jim wasn't on the stand at the time. About half an hour later, he rushed over to our layout, on the point of offering the money back. In his best Brummie dialect, he claimed the kit wasn't good enough for ScaleSeven. BB replied along the lines of "wait and see".

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English Electric 0-6-0 diesel-electric 350hp shunter 12039 by Snaptophobic, on Flickr

I do have better shots, but none that have been scanned in. During the build, BB made a video which dissolved from photos of the real thing to close ups of the model. He did a lot of work replacing dodgy castings, but the end result was every bit a Gronk, and ran on our shed layout for some time. Even Jim was impressed.
 

richard carr

Western Thunderer
Richard, I don't think this is strictly true, I'm not at home to check my references but I think the 9F like the Britannia and Clans have 50/50 horn blocks, I.E. the frames sit in the middle of the horn blocks, the Bullied Pacifics were the same.

Photos of your Crosti model would be nice ;) , who made that?, I think Severn models are the only Crosti builders, I do keep looking at their range LOL

Mick

I only started building the Cristi, the kit is crap, its by acme model products, I saw one built at Telford at least ten years ago and foolishly bought. The castings are poor to chuck em in the bin quality, just building the tender was an effort.

I did though build my DJH one, it makes a very nice model. You may well be right about the horn blocks but they definitely are not the normal inside type. So to use the martin Finney ones you make them up the wrong way round then fit them to the inside of the frames so they stick through the frames.

Richard
 

john lewsey

Western Thunderer
I can only say in my defence that I purchased the kit when I came back into model railways not knowing anything about theses kits
 

dibateg

Western Thunderer
To be fair - Jim's kits can be made in to something worth while - I did the Oakville WD years ago, and Dikitriki has made a cracking model of the Brit. You just have to be prepared for some extra work.

Regards
Tony
 

Osgood

Western Thunderer
I find your work quite daunting, John. :thumbs: But thanks to you I have just secured an 'in stock' signal box kit from Lasercraft!
 

Osgood

Western Thunderer
How do you differentiate between a reduced flange wheel and a flangeless wheel that has worn itself a small flange on the inside? That photo above looks more like a worn flangeless one to me.:confused: When you think how much a tyre wears down it wouldn't take long to develop a flange.
 

Heather Kay

Western Thunderer
How do you differentiate between a reduced flange wheel and a flangeless wheel that has worn itself a small flange on the inside? That photo above looks more like a worn flangeless one to me.:confused: When you think how much a tyre wears down it wouldn't take long to develop a flange.

I've just looked through contemporary reference material, and the centre driver is both referred to as "flangeless" and shows as having no discernible flange. Plate 155 of A Pictorial Record of British Railways Standard Steam Locomotives definitely shows the driver has no flange.
 

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
The Spaceships are one of the most fascinating classes in British railways history and deserving of study. With the interest in the motion and running gear so far in this topic I have a question that I hope can be answered here - given the wheelbase of the engine, presumably with some side play in some of the axles, what provision was made within the coupling rods to accomodate the sideways displacement of wheelsets? (for example... joints in rods to accomodate horizontal deflection).

thanks, Graham
 
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