Paul’s GER workbench. Building the MOK BR 4MT 2-6-4T kit.
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Dog Star said:Model Railway Constructor (Aaahhh!, as in DH-aaahh) in the early 1960s and then in a recent MRJ... ok card and shellac, will that do?
I thought that the track might be LSWR 24ft, just not sure as to the wheels.
There also many continental card kits for locos, though, good as they are, they are not on my 'want to do list'.
The wheels are AGH 6'7" ten spoke for Adams T3/X6.
Locomodels
Western Thunderer
Ressaldar said:
Hi Mike,
You are absolutely right, I am enjoying it lots already. It is just so well thought out and the quality is superb. If only all kits were so good.
Scale7JB said:Another GER man... Hurrah!!
JB.
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Western Thunderer
Scale7JB said:Another GER man... Hurrah!!
JB.
Not exactly, sorry to dissapoint. However Mr Adams did work there and I do fancy a 'Coffee Pot' sometime.
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Western Thunderer
7mmMick said:Welcome aboard Paul,
Lovely work so far, very clean and tidy. Fingers crossed MOK decide to produce a D49 kit next year. A GER man, is West Mersea too far to travel from France
Thank you for your kind words Mick, West Mersea is on my list of things to get to, so perhaps one day soon.
I don't know about the D49, but dave Sharp is very busy at the moment and the BR 9F has slipped to next year already. Why not email him and ask, he always seems to be up for a natter.
ATB Mick
adrian
Flying Squad
Locomodels said:
That'd probably be my efforts! Also fitted with CSB suspension as I'm not a great fan of compensation. So if there are any questions please feel free to ask.
I'm just cleaning up what I've done so far as I foolishly volunteered to help with the S7 stand at York, so I'll probably take along what I've done so far. If anyone is visiting on the Saturday then please feel free to stop for a chat.
Adrian
p.s. nearly forgot - a warm welcome to the forum.
Locomodels
Western Thunderer
adrian said:
Hello Adrian,
You are absplutely right, it was indeed your postings which I have been following. I was just being careful, as a new boy one doesn't want to upset the Guvnor, so I thought it better not to mention that certain website by name.
This is the first loco that I have built using compensation, so we will see how it goes. Though I do like the CSB you have fitted and might use the same method. You are way ahead of me with your 4MT, so I will be interested to see how the suspension turns out.
Jordan
Mid-Western Thunderer
I mean 'proper modelling' as in actually making stuff, with metal, and using big tools and stuffLocomodels said:Proper modelling, that implies that there is also 'improper modelling'. That could interest me I don't doubt.
- not just sticking bits of plastic together like wot I do most of the time... 
Purple-Haze - got any more sweets?
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Rob Pulham said:Welcome Paul, I almost feel I know you well. You have featured in many of the email conversations that Graham and I have had over a few months.
Hello Rob,
So you have been talking about me then, hopefully mostly complimentary. Thanks for the welcome.
28ten
Guv'nor
I dont mind anyone mentioning RMweb or any similar site, freedom of speech/thought is something I like to encourage and apart from the odd drunken ramblingLocomodels said:
it seems to work pretty well. And its an interesting thread.On the subject of MOK kits, I think they are right up there and I keep hoping somebody will ask me to build a DeGlehn...
adrian
Flying Squad
Locomodels said:
I don't think you need to worry about links to RMWeb, I've attached a few in the past on this forum without getting my knuckles rapped. I may be speaking out of turn here but I get the impression that there is a little more laid back approach on this forum, it's certainly a more friendly, honest and open discussion area. On RMweb I've made a couple of caustic comments as that is my nature and fairly swiftly had a couple of private memo's from the "mods". I can appreciate their situation as something the size of RMweb they have their fair share of trolls which they have to deal with. Unfortunately this can come across as a bit heavy handed at times as they seem to clamp down quickly on any issues, this punishes everybody rather than just the trouble makers. These issues often seemed to be be discussed in private which doesn't endear them to those outside the clique as their doesn't seem to be any court for arbitration. Thankfully that seems absent on this forum, and various comments for example about colour schemes seemed to be treated as mild ribbing and nothing to get worked up about.
As for the 4MT build - with my glacial progress I don't think it'll be long before you're ahead of me so I'll be interested to see how you get along. I ordered the ABC gearbox for the kit in January and just got back from holiday today to find it had just been delivered. So I've not had chance to have a proper assessment of it yet but I think it may be possible to fit the same roller bearings as in the hornblocks. Though having just spent £105 on a motor and gearbox do I really want to start modifying it as it's a beautiful bit of engineering?
If you've seen my other posts then you may have picked up that the on the S7 kit the front bogie guard irons are still set for 7mm FS "narrow" gauge and need tweaking. Other than that I've found it as you've mentioned, an incredible array of castings, in fact I'm not sure how much ballasting it'll need given the quantity of castings supplied.
I'm also intrigued about your workshop, 3 mills etc, what do you use them for? is it your previous live steam work? I've done a few evening classes in silversmithing to try my hand at repoussé and silversoldering. I use silver soldering for some of the detailed components like lamp irons but for something like the ashpan and chassis on the 4MT I just used a temperature controlled iron, for which I do use the Carrs solder cream a lot. Does the torch not distort the nickel sheet?
Regards
Adrian
Locomodels
Western Thunderer
lnerjp said:
Thanks JP, I sure do. I think that I could use some during the build.
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Western Thunderer
Paul?s GER workbench. Building the MOK BR 4MT 2-6-4T kit.
I don't know about glacial, you are streets ahead at the moment and after all it isn't a race, we both enjoy it so much.
As to the abc gearbox, the one with plain bearings actually locates in the cradle on the bearings, whereas the type fitted with ball races is wider overall and the bearings are flush or even recessed. so there is no way it would fit without modifying the cradle. Perfectly possible and not a difficult mod but I just wanted to build it as is. I have both types of gearbox so will take a picture of each for people to see the difference.
As to the mills, one is for profiling, one is an Emcomat Mentor so not really large and the third one is a bit of a luxury, it is a John Stevens watchmakers mill, so it is for the really small stuff. I will post a picture of it sometime soon. I did have a Beaver universal mill for the steam stuff but that had to go when I moved to France. It stood over six foot tall and probably weighed in at about two tons.
No the torch does not distort things at all, it is only a little hotter than an iron but it gets the heat in fast and local. It is also easier to get a needlepoint flame into a small space rather than a solid bit. Added to which you can see the solder flow more easily. But having said that it is not suitable for everything. Horses for courses and all that.
adrian said:
I don't know about glacial, you are streets ahead at the moment and after all it isn't a race, we both enjoy it so much.
As to the abc gearbox, the one with plain bearings actually locates in the cradle on the bearings, whereas the type fitted with ball races is wider overall and the bearings are flush or even recessed. so there is no way it would fit without modifying the cradle. Perfectly possible and not a difficult mod but I just wanted to build it as is. I have both types of gearbox so will take a picture of each for people to see the difference.
As to the mills, one is for profiling, one is an Emcomat Mentor so not really large and the third one is a bit of a luxury, it is a John Stevens watchmakers mill, so it is for the really small stuff. I will post a picture of it sometime soon. I did have a Beaver universal mill for the steam stuff but that had to go when I moved to France. It stood over six foot tall and probably weighed in at about two tons.
No the torch does not distort things at all, it is only a little hotter than an iron but it gets the heat in fast and local. It is also easier to get a needlepoint flame into a small space rather than a solid bit. Added to which you can see the solder flow more easily. But having said that it is not suitable for everything. Horses for courses and all that.
Locomodels
Western Thunderer
28ten said:I dont mind anyone mentioning RMweb or any similar site, freedom of speech/thought is something I like to encourage and apart from the odd drunken rambling
On the subject of MOK kits, I think they are right up there and I keep hoping somebody will ask me to build a DeGlehn...
Hello Guv'nor,
Thanks for that, I do so agree about free speech, drunken rambling is something I gave up a long time ago. It always took too long to unsolder the bits that I had got wrong.
I will try to keep it interesting, but it is a long road ahead before the lining gets put on.
Hope you get lucky with the DeGlehn
adrian
Flying Squad
Have you got the RCTS book yet? Although they were "standard" 4's like anything there are a number of detailed differences between most of the loco's. The RCTS book does a pretty good job of covering them all. For me I wanted one that worked the Cambrian region and chose one with the LMS style 4 bolt return crank, unfortunately the return crank in the kit is the LNER style side clamp bolt.Locomodels said:
Regards
Adrian
adrian
Flying Squad
I'd forgotten about the cradle, the cradle was part of the rocking unit but as I'm putting suspension on the all axles I've ditched the supplied cradle. I think I might order another gearbox with roller bearings!!Locomodels said:
It sounds like an interesting workshop you have there, I have a small Coronet lathe with collets for the small stuff but I've never seen a watchmakers mill before - intriguing.Locomodels said:
Locomodels said:
Thinking about it that may have been useful on the 4MT chassis. the spring hangers on the chassis are fairly hefty brass castings, it took a little time with my 80W iron. I have a small oxy-propane jewellers torch which I use for silver-soldering, I might have to give it a try with soft soldering one of these days.
Regards
Adrian
ps. please excuse the late night posting, just got back from a holiday in Florida and it's only 9pm over there at the moment. Unfortunately I need to be up at 6:30am to get to York for the show.