Robust (Yard), Ohio - HO Gauge

jonte

Western Thunderer
Welcome to Robust, Ohio, a down-at-heel Class III shortline on the former Toledo, Wabash & Western Railroad. Once a vital exchange yard of some importance, but no longer supplemented by its primary customer - a long since departed sand/ gravel industry - it now serves as mere storage sidings for its current operator, the fictional Fulcrum County Railroad.

To give you an idea of the decrepitude I seek, may I present you with the influences for this project

The Maumee and Western Railroad at Defiance https://www.flickr.com/groups/2120328@N24/
Also https://www.flickr.com/groups/2120328@N24/

Athens shortline, Georgia

Fulton County Railroad

Now, I should point out that this isn't really a layout at all but a simple 'dio' on which to practise scenic techniques such as ballasting - never done it before - and ground cover - again, never got this far before - prior to doing it for real on my current project Industrial Place, LA. In the process, I hope to rekindle my interest in modelling and get my mojo back.

As with the main layout, time is of a premium at the moment, however, I found a little time this week to make a start on the baseboards. Attached are a couple of hastily taken shots to whet your appetite.

In an attempt to keep costs to a minimum, I've just reused bits and pieces lying around, so, I suppose it's also an exercise in recycling. For instance, at the end of last summer, my neighbour donated several lengths of poor quality exterior 6 milli ply which had spent several months open to the elements, acting as makeshift ramps for his children: "you're always doing things with wood!". Hmm...I was just too polite to say no, so feigning gratitude, I gleefully stored them in the garage to await an opportunity to take them to the tip. Anyway, rummaging around for suitable materials the other day, my attention was once more drawn to the now dried out muddy timber, and to my surprise, apart from one piece, the warping wasn't too bad and thinking that a suitable brace of two by one would remove the odd 'wave', I set about attacking it with my trustee hand saw and electric jig saw. And hey presto, a couple of days later three curvy boards - in plan not elevation - had limped off the production line. Even the 'warped beyond belief' piece was pressed into service, forming the skirted edge of each.

And so to the plan. Well, it's simply a 5-3-3 Inglenook, consisting of two handbuilt switches that had sat gathering dust on my desk for Lord knows how long - in fact, one of them wasn't even finished requiring wing and switch rails to complete it - to form two of the sidings, with the 'main' acting as the third. To form the predetermined lengths of cars on the main, the three car length will be bounded by a catch point to one side, with a simple country road crossing bounding the loco and three to the other, the idea being that a bye law prevents the loco fouling the crossing while switching. I trust this will provide a unique take on the oft replicated subject. I sincerely hope you'll agree. As they say, a picture paints a thousand words so I'll provide a sketch of the track plan over the next couple of days.

That's about it for now, but I'll try and update the thread as and when I (slowly) make some progress. I hope you find it of interest.

Jonte
 

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jonte

Western Thunderer
Thank you Adrian and Graham for your interest. I hope I can maintain it

Just thought I'd post a sketch plan of the 'dio' as promised which I hope you will find of interest. Incidentally, it measures eleven feet four inches by thirty inches at its widest.

Jonte
 

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jonte

Western Thunderer
Just a tad more info for those of you who have been kind enough to express an interest in my humble railroad.

It will be powered by a DC (feedback) controller borrowed from my LA layout which gives excellent slow running for my single engine in steam, a Bachmann GP 38 which I've stripped of its Chessie livery and am in the process of painting and weathering to resemble the C420 in the Fulton County RR video in my previous post.

Switches will be operated via simple wire-in-tube with a SPDT slide switch providing the throw and power to the crossing noses. The next stage in construction will be to mark out the route of the track, so that the ply base onto which it will be mounted can be cut, glued and pinned in place with a trench cut out under each switch to allow the tube to sit underneath.

The plain track will be code 75 sourced from spare lengths of Peco flex track, soldered to the odd PCB tie along its length to keep the gauge. Infill ties will be of coffee stirrers, suitably distressed with scalpel and wire brush, weathered with enamels, water colours and powders. Whilst nigh on impossible to replicate the twist of the prototype, a token attempt at kinking of the rail in places will be made to give a passing resemblance to the original.

As for scenics, this will be an exercise in tree making: lots of them! They will be of soldered construction, using florists wire for trunks and multi strand wire for branch endings, bark being represented by grout suitably coloured and weathered. As I've chosen a winter setting, there will be no need for lots of foliage, however, I will try and replicate the more persevering leaves that remain on their branches even in winter. To try and achieve this effect, I'm thinking of placing bare trees fore and aft of a line of trees, with some foliaged varieties sandwiched in between so that you're viewing them behind a screen. The foliage will be merely the green stuff - I bought some Woodland scenics type a couple of years back - painted a rusty brown. The jury's still out on this method, but I'll have a play about with the method once I've got a few trees off the production line (this should while away a few afternoons in the garden once the weather improves!).

Silfor and others make a wonderful representation of winter grass, however, due to the acreage required, I'ved opted for some carpet underlay which I think will fit the bill quite nicely

Whilst there a number of readily available items on the N. American modeling scene to replicate the bridge in this photo https://www.flickr.com/photos/mattditton1976/10425226473/in/pool-2120328@N24, unfortunately, they come at a premium in the UK, so as this is a budget build, I'm going to source readily available bits that I can bash I.e. this


http://uk.ebid.net/for-sale/dapol-oo-gauge-plastic-kit-girder-bridge-c003-127730635.htm?from=googleshop_uk&adwords=Y&gclid=CjwKEAiA9qCnBRCb7ZDhvaHSyicSJABGFFHtItnTLqaCdt_c1KGp7_w0XeDBLiyHHhFIO38oCVnUyxoC9nXw_wcB#pic

Everything else will be fabricated from what lies on or under my modelling desk.

Thanks for reading,

Jonte

Photo of carpet underlay attached together with a picture of the(disused) sand industry I hope to replicate (unlike a lot of US industries, it's quite compact so shouldn't dominate the scene).

Edited to point out that I omitted to mention te photograph of the sand plant in this thread is the property of Bruce (Bdw9535) of Big Blue Trains forum. Jonte.
 

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mopar

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This looks promising.
I've been tempted to do something similar in O, just to get something 'to play with' up and running quite quickly.
I do like the US stuff......
 

adrian

Flying Squad
Just thought I'd post a sketch plan of the 'dio' as promised which I hope you will find of interest. Incidentally, it measures eleven feet four inches by thirty inches at its widest.
Strewth - that's a 'dio' and a half - I've seen 7mm layouts smaller than that!! That's an awful lot of space to fill with trees!

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As for scenics, this will be an exercise in tree making: lots of them! They will be of soldered construction, using florists wire for trunks and multi strand wire for branch endings, bark being represented by grout suitably coloured and weathered. As I've chosen a winter setting, there will be no need for lots of foliage, however, I will try and replicate the more persevering leaves that remain on their branches even in winter.
I will watch with interest - as you say a lot of trees. I've been thinking about similar techniques I'm going to have to experiment with for Holywell Town. I want to avoid the bright summer vegetation so I'm erring towards autumn time - so it'll be good to see how you get along.
 

jonte

Western Thunderer
This looks promising.
I've been tempted to do something similar in O, just to get something 'to play with' up and running quite quickly.
I do like the US stuff......

Thank you for your kind expression of interest, molar, and welcome to Western Thunder!

It was John Wright's Pennsy article in MRJ several years ago that first sparked my interest in the 'Dark Side'. Finding Keith Jordan's website about the Patch in Downtown L.A. secured it - links to this and other inspirational sites can be found on my Industrial Place thread on the layouts forum, which might interest you. If 'O' gauge takes your fancy, Kurt's latest project over on Model Railroad Hobbyist's on-line magazine forum will whet your appetite http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/20668. His scratch build of a Baldwin switcher might interest you too http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/20966.
Interestingly, his Fort Smith O gauge layout mentioned above is dimensionally the same size as my 'dio' ( you were right there, Adrian!) so if you want something up and running pretty quickly

Best wishes,

Jonte
 

jonte

Western Thunderer
Strewth - that's a 'dio' and a half - I've seen 7mm layouts smaller than that!! That's an awful lot of space to fill with trees!

[edit - just read your next post]


I will watch with interest - as you say a lot of trees. I've been thinking about similar techniques I'm going to have to experiment with for Holywell Town. I want to avoid the bright summer vegetation so I'm erring towards autumn time - so it'll be good to see how you get along.

I might live to regret this idea, Adrian!

Actually, the prospect of having to churn out spindly creations almost on an industrial scale doesn't daunt me - there's not much going on up top anyway. For instance, this came off the Jonte production line a couple of years back (please see below). Those of you of a Great Western bent will immediately recognise it as the roof of Liverpool Cheapside's minuscule station. Anyway, it was the result of many summer afternoons spent cutting, filing, then a bit more filing and finally soldering umpteen bits of rail and pins over a simple pin and ply jig, and once you get into the swing of it, it's not too bad. My only concern is that the fruits of my labours bear some resemblance to a stand of real trees, although clumping them together might just make them presentable, with just one or two specimens being slightly more detailed to carry it off.

Why so many trees, you might ask?

Apart from representing a dog-eared railway that has seen better days and is now losing its battle against the encroaching vegetation, as a dio, I wanted to forego the idea of a back scene which can be a little cumbersome - especially as the idea is to be able to take it outdoors when the weather permits to photograph items of rolling stock, as my American counterparts do - the trees, themselves, providing the back drop to the scene.

Incidentally, I'm going to try cake decorator's wire for the trunks rather than florists wire, which you can buy in batches of fifty or so for less than a couple of quid on-line. Like florist's wire, they come in approximately one foot lengths; unlike florist's wire, they are paper covered. Apparently, Gordon Gravett uses this method in his books on the subject. although I've not read them yet, the secret was let slip by a Canadian blogger who'd used them to great effect. Not sure what the benefit is over the florist variety, unless the PVC glue and plaster mix - I'm trying grout as I've a bucket of it lying round the garage somewhere - adheres better to the paper covering? Will be buying the book eventually, anyway as I'm a great admirer of his work.

Will keep you posted, Adrian,

Jonte

PS If it doesn't work, I'll simply change to a summer setting and spray my carpet underlay green.

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Dog Star

Western Thunderer
The plain track will be code 75 sourced from spare lengths of Peco flex track, soldered to the odd PCB tie along its length to keep the gauge. Infill ties will be of coffee stirrers, suitably distressed with scalpel and wire brush, weathered with enamels, water colours and powders. Whilst nigh on impossible to replicate the twist of the prototype, a token attempt at kinking of the rail in places will be made to give a passing resemblance to the original.
Jordan made a good job of building track to the style as described by you, I recollect that Jordan posted about his "Portway" layout in 2014 so you ought to be able to find the topic.
 

jonte

Western Thunderer
Jordan made a good job of building track to the style as described by you, I recollect that Jordan posted about his "Portway" layout in 2014 so you ought to be able to find the topic.

Indeed he did, Graham, thank you.

The lean on some of those cars defies belief!!

If you see anything of that nature on my project, it's probably because that dodgy wood I've used has started to warp :(

Regards,

Jonte
 

steve1

Western Thunderer
As a 'Dark Side' man myself, I like the look of this a lot. I am especially impressed by that sand loader which has given some more ideas for my Duncan's Mine 2 continuation.

steve
 

jonte

Western Thunderer
Thanks, Steve and I hope I can maintain your interest.

Glad the little sand loader appeals to you too. Unusually for American industries, it is very compact and won't dominate the scene, especially on our relatively small British layouts!

Mine will be fettled from lengths of left over rail soldered over a pin and ply jig to represent the supports, ......bits of annealed brass tubing for the hoses and Wills' corrugated iron for the cabins/sheds. The covered conveyer will probably be more annealed brass sheet radiused to suit over more cast off bits of rail.

Thanks again for your interest and I'll check out Duncan's mine.

Jonte

Edit: just thought I'd post a link to the page containing the sand conveyer where you'll find a couple more to assist you with your prospective build, Steve http://bigbluetrains.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=8095
 
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steve1

Western Thunderer
Cheers jonte!

Nice weathering on the sand plant on your link. It's amazing what can be done with a bit of paint and some weathering powders. ;)

I tend to go for all plastic on the DM structures as I find it easy to work with.

steve
 

jonte

Western Thunderer
Pleasure, Steve.

It does indeed look like a model, Steve; I think the foliage on the background trees is a tad too garish. I'd suggest a bit of toning down with an airbrush ;)

I like the immediacy of soldered construction and employing metal parts ensures the whole thing is a little more 'robust'. Important when there's no back scene I think. Plus, I've more metal materials lying around than plastic!

Regards,

Jonte
 

steve1

Western Thunderer
Jonte,

If you happen to be anywhere near Mansfield this weekend you can see Duncan's Mine in its current transient form.

steve
 

jonte

Western Thunderer
Thanks for letting me know, Steve, however I'm assisting a friend with his boat up in the Lakes this weekend. I'd be interested in a photo or two if that's okay? :thumbs:

Incidentally, I found a picture of what I assume was Duncan's Mine 1 - a novel idea without any switches; plenty of atmosphere and operating potential too (and nice and compact!).

Good luck with your outing!

Jonte
 

jonte

Western Thunderer
Hi, fellow Westerners.

At risk of repeating myself, I've not a lot of time at present although the lack of progress is more than a little frustrating. To combat this, I've decided to press on with one or two smaller, although nonetheless essential, projects away from the layout to use what little time that is available more effectively.

So, thoughts have returned to my standard Bachmann 38-2, which I'd previously left in a state of undress whilst attempting to turn into this https://akronrrclub.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/fc_315c.jpg Okay, not exactly this as it's what's known as a C 420 - although to most non-Darksiders reading this diatribe they probably look exactly the same ;) - no, it's the appearance I hanker after.

Turning to the photos below, the first is of how the loco looked when purchased in its gaudy Chessie livery.

The next couple show the results of plenty of rubbing down and an application of a couple of coats of primer.

The final shots were taken today, which I thought might just be of interest to me or two of you - I hope.

The grey serves as an undercoat and consists of several thin washes of grey Humbrol enamel applied with a brush. I'm hoping this will provide the patina I seek. If you don't mind, I'll explain the methods I intend to use for the finish another time, as it's the fuel tanks I've cobbled together over the weekend which I'm hoping might interest you.

Although rarely modelled, I can't help noticing from the multitude of photos that adorn the 'net, that a fair number of prototype locos have sustained impact damage to their fuel tanks. However, how does one go about it? That question's been puzzling me for a while; and perhaps many others too, which probably accounts for the dearth of examples. Anyway, after cutting out some shapes from a piece of K&S brass sheet I had with a piercing saw and Stanley knife, using the plastic moulded ones on the model as a template, the parts were easily bent and curved in a vice after the lengths had been annealed in the flame of the cooker. They were then simply soldered together around the outside of the moulded tanks which were used as a former. I say simply soldered: I'd forgotten that I'd run out of Carrs 145, and could I get hold of any at my local model shops ? :headbang:

Convinced by the proprietor of an R/c model shop that his stuff always does the job with brass for him, I headed back to the workbench with renewed vigour. He must have seen me coming. Consequently, despite using copious amounts of Carrs flux appropriate for the job, I had to hover longer with the iron than I would have liked so that, for instance, the flares on the underneath of the tanks have taken on a wavey appearance after lengths of reinforcing pieces were soldered across in the process of getting them - making them easy was the easy bit; fitting was something else entirely. If anybody expresses an interest, I can explain why.

Anyway, they were suitably distressed with screwdrivers and a ruddy great pair of pliers, which I hope more or less imparts a flavour of those that appear on many work-a-day prototypes out there on the shortlines of Georgia and Ohio.

Next job is to drill holes to represent the fuel caps and apply bits of tubing and sure to represent one or two other details that adorn the tanks, before rinsing and then priming.

They're designed to be a simple friction fit, and as I don't intend stripping it down too often, wear and tear shouldn't proved too much of a problem.

Thanks for reading,
Jonte.
 

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jonte

Western Thunderer
Here's how I spent my Easter weekend

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Having just cleared away the tools after hammering home the final pin of the new workbench which will be supporting Robust, I couldn't resist connecting up all three boards for the first time.

Regards from a somewhat impatient Jonte!
 

jonte

Western Thunderer
Now, I know this only a 'dio' and not a proper layout, however, that overhang is annoying me; so, this afternoon I salvaged the last of the set of old doors upon which Robust will sit and cut off an extension for the far end - the end nearest the camera in the last set of photos will sit straight on the bench. Over the next couple of days, I'll connect it up and a fascia yo match the rest then give the whole lot a coat of paint (black, although the boards themselves will be grey to match the livery of Fulcrum County Railroad), and then proceedings must come to a halt until the summer:(

So, it will be back to a piecemeal approach with the loco.

I'll post up the photos of the finished bench hopefully by the weekend; until then, thanks for your interest,

Jonte
 
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