Ross's Dark Side
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iploffy
OC Blue Brigade
mickoo
Western Thunderer
Thanks for explaining that one Ross.Still no bloody wiser
Rob
Ok try this.
Gauge 0 is 1:43.5 or 1:45 scale in Europe and 1:48 in the US 32mm ish track depending on exact scale
Gauge 1 is 1:32 or 1:29 scale in US and runs on 45mm track and is called Spur I, Spur 1 or Spur eins in Germany, note US locos run on 45mm track so are in effect narrow gauge, their correct gauge would be 50.8mm.
Gauge 2 is 1:29 scale and runs on 50.8mm track and used to be the dominant one in the US but as the gauge is close to Gauge 1 then it dropped into that scale and has become virtually redundant.
Gauge 3 is 1:22.5 scale and runs on 63.5mm track, it is called 2½" gauge over here and usually reserved for live steamers, it's called Spur II, Spur 2 in Germany.
Gauge 3 and Gauge 1 can often be called G scale which is technically incorrect G scale is a mish mash of mixed up loco and track scales, below.
G scale is basically any scale you like but running on 45m track, thus gauge 1 locos built to 1:32 can be correctly classed as G scale, by the same token a Harz 1m gauge loco built to 1:22.5 scale and running on 45mm track can also be called G scale. The only common factor in G scale is the track gauge at 45mm, everything else is flexible.
Where it all goes to pot is with LGB (Large Garden Bahn) they initially started out modeling 1m gauge trains, they opted for Gauge 3 which is 1:22.5 scale and luckily 1m gauge turns out to be 45mm wide so they use Gauge 1 track, though the rail is deeper and the sleeper spacings wider. That's all good and well if you are modeling 1mnarrow gauge railways but then LGB started producing main line locos, V160, V200, DR V100, Taurus etc, these are modeled at 1:22.5 scale, I.E Gauge 3 but run on 45mm track.
So in simple terms LGB main line loco bodys are the correct scale but the bogies have been compressed to 1m track gauge, to correct this you need to widen the bogie sideframes and wheels to 63.5mm track.....and build most of your own track too. I have looked at bot the V160 and V200 with a view to doing that as I primarily intend to static display them and super detail them accordingly, rather than run them in the garden but have also considered some 2½" gauge track as well.
HTH
rosspeacock
Modelling on a £1200 table.
Thanks for that one Mick that just about sums it up. I wondered if there were any suppliers that sold kits to convert 45mm gauge to 63.5/64mm but not being able to speak German I've hit a bit of a brick wall. I'll probably just end up running it as is..
Thanks Ross...
Thanks Ross...
rosspeacock
Modelling on a £1200 table.
Hi Ross
You're doing a really neat job of the glazing. Very much worth it .
Richard
Thanks Richard, it's pretty painstaking cutting and filing the plastic to fit, I get them so they're a tightish push fit then use thinned gloss varnish, painting the whole window keeping it flat till it's starting to go off to prevent runs etc.. I'd like to use real glass like Cynric used to. If any fall out I might go down that route but they are pretty clear as is..
Regards Ross. ..
Phill Dyson
Western Thunderer
Very neat work on the glazing Ross
What about this
Phill
What about this
Phill
rosspeacock
Modelling on a £1200 table.
Nearly forgot, I've also painted the wheels and tyre's, let the motors do the work and just kept dipping my brush in the satin black. Worked well given a nice sharp edge between the side wall of the tyre and the running edge/flange.. The bogies look almost identical to Warship ones to me..
Ross..
Ross..
rosspeacock
Modelling on a £1200 table.
Very neat work on the glazing Ross
What about this
Phill
I saw that one too. Wonder if its a kit or scratchbuilt? I've got one of those V100's similar to the one at the end of that video put away at my local shop in York was £289 down to £179.. not to be sniffed at really...
Thanks Ross. .
Heather Kay
Western Thunderer
And we thought the HO/OO/EM/P4 mash-up was a mess!
Seriously, though, those narrow bogies under the large bodies look very strange. The brass model there looks like it'll overbalance if it took a turnout too quickly.
Seriously, though, those narrow bogies under the large bodies look very strange. The brass model there looks like it'll overbalance if it took a turnout too quickly.
rosspeacock
Modelling on a £1200 table.
Believe it or not Heather the brass one on the youtube video Phill put the link on to is running on 64mm (spurII) track. Could be the bigger continental loading gauge which makes it look worse, but I agree with what you're saying. Now imagine how unstable one with 45mm gauge wheelsets looks? Ha Ha!!
Ross..
Steph Dale
Western Thunderer
Guys,
Have a look at this site: Magnus are the main Spur II supplier in Germany. Notwithstanding what Mick has said above, G2 is alive and well in Germany where it's considered the standard gauge to LGB/G-scale (also known as IIm). They also do 64mm gauge axles for the LGB 'standard-gauge' locos.
Steph
Have a look at this site: Magnus are the main Spur II supplier in Germany. Notwithstanding what Mick has said above, G2 is alive and well in Germany where it's considered the standard gauge to LGB/G-scale (also known as IIm). They also do 64mm gauge axles for the LGB 'standard-gauge' locos.
Steph
mickoo
Western Thunderer
Actually....LOL, it's the Warships ones that are almost identical to the V200, we took the V200 design and asked them to cram it into the BR loading gauge, which they did quite effectively so yes the bogies are almost the same, the drive train and engines is pretty close as well, only the body suffered to our loading gauge.
lancer1027
Western Thunderer
There you go then Ross. You can scratch build a Warship body to go onto those bogies
Rob
rosspeacock
Modelling on a £1200 table.
Hi everyone. It's a long time since we've had an update on this thread, but I've bought a new toy today. .
It's Piko G scale BR64 Deutsche Bundesbahn 2-6-2 tank engine. . Not much else to say about it really. . Oh it has smoke and lights..
Ross...
It's Piko G scale BR64 Deutsche Bundesbahn 2-6-2 tank engine. . Not much else to say about it really. . Oh it has smoke and lights..
Ross...
lancer1027
Western Thunderer
WHY ????
Thats not really going to haul your mk1's is it
Thats not really going to haul your mk1's is it
rosspeacock
Modelling on a £1200 table.
WHY ????
Thats not really going to haul your mk1's is it
Rob you should know what I'm like by now. I just buy what I like ha ha. .
Ross...
