Jordan
Mid-Western Thunderer
You 'n' me both...
I really do admire those on here who can produce 'steam' or 'mechanical' chassis, especially ones with working inside motion.....
7mm Still On The Intercity Workbench - Class 06 D2440
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I really do admire those on here who can produce 'steam' or 'mechanical' chassis, especially ones with working inside motion.....
Intercity126
Western Thunderer
I have seen these pictures before, but as I was looking (at the time) for photos of the radiator, I passed them by.
The shots of 06 008 without its rods are useful for the next part of the build, although the best one I've found for below the footplate is this one by 53A Models:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/blue-diesels/4292008319
I'd recommend Bruce Galloway's Zenfolio site too (It was Bruce's shots of the cab interior that started me down the route to madness when i realised that the panel in the kit was a work of fiction)
http://brucegalloway.zenfolio.com/p628663453
Bruce might be better known to some of you as jbg06003 on another well known model railway forum.
The shots of 06 008 without its rods are useful for the next part of the build, although the best one I've found for below the footplate is this one by 53A Models:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/blue-diesels/4292008319
I'd recommend Bruce Galloway's Zenfolio site too (It was Bruce's shots of the cab interior that started me down the route to madness when i realised that the panel in the kit was a work of fiction)
http://brucegalloway.zenfolio.com/p628663453
Bruce might be better known to some of you as jbg06003 on another well known model railway forum.
Intercity126
Western Thunderer
Another month passes - progress is made, but hardly so as you would notice...
I mentioned in an earlier thread that this is my second etched kit - there have been some areas, however, that I've rebuilt so many times that my total could easily have been 5 or 6 by now... The front end is a case in point.
In last month's thrilling installment I described the manufacture of the radiator cap. Due to my over-enthusiasm for attacking the gentle art of soldering with a gas torch as my weapon of choice I loosened the previously (wrongly) attached lamp bracket. I regarded this as a "happy accident" as it gave me the push I needed to fix it properly to the front (not top) of the radiator.
Looking again at the profile of the radiator, I came to the inescapable conclusion that I couldn't live with the profile of the radiator top.
As the parts in the kit initially fitted up, it seemed that the entire front end should be radiused, but the more closely I studied photos to try and determine the shape of the radiator cap, the more I came to the conclusion that the front should be a combination of radiused and square corners and that somewhere along the line I had bungled.
This photo of 06 003 stripped naked was the clincher as it showed exactly how the functional part of the radiator must be built into the front end.
There was no real option but to solder a short arc of wire into the offending area and reprofile the front end to something closer approximating the real thing.
At the same time I scribed a couple of lines to represent the panel to radiator joint, but these are not very distinctive - I may revisit these before painting.
I've also soldered in the grab irons at the front end - these ended up surprisingly square. Result! (although I won't say how many attempts it took....)
Current state of play.
The main things still to be done to the body are now really quite minimal: I've put off soldering on the rear footsteps for risk of damage, but these should be good to go; I'll make up some fuel tank filler connections for under the footplate; I need to get some worksplates ordered up pronto (I believe Diane Carney makes the best Barclay ones?); rear vacuum pipe was forgotten last month; sandbox fillers (these should be flush inset to the footplate, so I'll maybe drop these). Radiator grille and radiator ladder may or may not be fitted before painting - the jury is still out on these.
My aim is to get the body ready for painting within the next month - Given my rate of progress, the Norwegian winter seems awfully close. The winter here is not really conducive to painting - in fact the summer isn't that much better:
According to Wikipedia "Bergen, Norway is one of the more famous European rain-cities with its yearly precipitation of 2,250 mm (89 in) on average". It seems like quite a lot of that 2,250mm has fallen in the last couple of weeks.
Finally for tonight - the Slaters' wheels for the Jackshaft drive have arrived. As I now have a "spare" set, I'll maybe experiment a little with reprofiling the spokes to give a better effect - the best two sets will be used and any disasters can be buried.
I mentioned in an earlier thread that this is my second etched kit - there have been some areas, however, that I've rebuilt so many times that my total could easily have been 5 or 6 by now... The front end is a case in point.
In last month's thrilling installment I described the manufacture of the radiator cap. Due to my over-enthusiasm for attacking the gentle art of soldering with a gas torch as my weapon of choice I loosened the previously (wrongly) attached lamp bracket. I regarded this as a "happy accident" as it gave me the push I needed to fix it properly to the front (not top) of the radiator.
Looking again at the profile of the radiator, I came to the inescapable conclusion that I couldn't live with the profile of the radiator top.
As the parts in the kit initially fitted up, it seemed that the entire front end should be radiused, but the more closely I studied photos to try and determine the shape of the radiator cap, the more I came to the conclusion that the front should be a combination of radiused and square corners and that somewhere along the line I had bungled.
This photo of 06 003 stripped naked was the clincher as it showed exactly how the functional part of the radiator must be built into the front end.
There was no real option but to solder a short arc of wire into the offending area and reprofile the front end to something closer approximating the real thing.
At the same time I scribed a couple of lines to represent the panel to radiator joint, but these are not very distinctive - I may revisit these before painting.
I've also soldered in the grab irons at the front end - these ended up surprisingly square. Result! (although I won't say how many attempts it took....)
Current state of play.
The main things still to be done to the body are now really quite minimal: I've put off soldering on the rear footsteps for risk of damage, but these should be good to go; I'll make up some fuel tank filler connections for under the footplate; I need to get some worksplates ordered up pronto (I believe Diane Carney makes the best Barclay ones?); rear vacuum pipe was forgotten last month; sandbox fillers (these should be flush inset to the footplate, so I'll maybe drop these). Radiator grille and radiator ladder may or may not be fitted before painting - the jury is still out on these.
My aim is to get the body ready for painting within the next month - Given my rate of progress, the Norwegian winter seems awfully close. The winter here is not really conducive to painting - in fact the summer isn't that much better:
According to Wikipedia "Bergen, Norway is one of the more famous European rain-cities with its yearly precipitation of 2,250 mm (89 in) on average". It seems like quite a lot of that 2,250mm has fallen in the last couple of weeks.
Finally for tonight - the Slaters' wheels for the Jackshaft drive have arrived. As I now have a "spare" set, I'll maybe experiment a little with reprofiling the spokes to give a better effect - the best two sets will be used and any disasters can be buried.
lancer1027
Western Thunderer
Looks great. As you already know im helping Steve (40126) build a Judith Edge 06 at the mo. The state of play with that is....
Steve did his fist EVER bit of soldering on Tuesday, he soldered the bodyside doors onto the frame.
He did very well for his first attempt..
The worksplates you have mentioned from Diane Carney, are they expensive???. I noticed that Brian Daniels has used those on this 06
. They do look good. I hope (or Steve) to put some pics on here soon.
I look forward to your next progress report.
Rob
Steve did his fist EVER bit of soldering on Tuesday, he soldered the bodyside doors onto the frame.
He did very well for his first attempt..The worksplates you have mentioned from Diane Carney, are they expensive???. I noticed that Brian Daniels has used those on this 06
. They do look good. I hope (or Steve) to put some pics on here soon.I look forward to your next progress report
.Rob
Intercity126
Western Thunderer
Hi Rob - I sent off an enquiry today via the Diane Carney website - I've asked for a price for an off the shelf and a custom plate. I'll let you know.The worksplates you have mentioned from Diane Carney, are they expensive???. I noticed that Brian Daniels has used those on this 06
Here is a link to a shot of 06 003's worksplate - My model of D2440 should be similar, but as No 467 of 1960.
I'd be very interested in seeing how you and Steve get on with the Judith Edge kit - give me a shout if you need any prototype details confirming - I've spent untold hours trawling the net and various books for detail shots of these locos.
lancer1027
Western Thunderer
Any pics of 06 010 in green with tops number would be good. Dont know if that loco had any mods different to the norm. All i know at this stage is it only had two rear cab windows
Intercity126
Western Thunderer
You are in luck! - I came across a high definition photo of this loco quite recently on Flickr
other shots here and here
Quite an unusual livery variation too with the red/yellow buffer beams.
The later 2-window variation had the front (radiator) mounting of the ladder and extra bonnet handrail (basically the same as I have done for mine). I don't know if the Judith Edge kit covers this variation or not (?)
Reported sightings of D2444 here
other shots here and here
Quite an unusual livery variation too with the red/yellow buffer beams.
The later 2-window variation had the front (radiator) mounting of the ladder and extra bonnet handrail (basically the same as I have done for mine). I don't know if the Judith Edge kit covers this variation or not (?)
Reported sightings of D2444 here
lancer1027
Western Thunderer
Cheers mate, they will be very useful. When i get to the bonnet i will check properly.
Im guessing the front bufferbeam would also have been red/yellow like the rear.
Rob
. When i get to the bonnet i will check properly.Im guessing the front bufferbeam would also have been red/yellow like the rear.
Rob
Intercity126
Western Thunderer
Tricky question - I have only found three shots of this loco in TOPS green so far (the 3 links in post #47). Unfortunately none show the front bufferbeam, however I'd say you were safe in your assumption:
A few of the Barclays in blue (eg 06 002 and 06 006) had for a while the centre section painted in black, with yellow buffers and edges (although it was generally done more neatly than on 06 010). The livery variation on 06 010 seems to be a "quickie" repaint of the yellow part of this livery onto a green loco (the front buffers are yellow).
Regarding worksplates - Diane Carney replied the same day and quoted me £15 for a pair of similar, but not identical, existing pattern Barclay worksplates with my builders number on it. £45 was the price for a fully custom version (new artwork drawn according to the worksplate photo linked to above). I've spent so long on this loco I decided to bite the bullet and I've gone for the latter option (with Works No 467 1960). Delivery should be sometime this month. I'm already champing at the bit at the prospect of finally getting on to paint spraying!
I guess when the artwork is ready you could get the lower price for the correct pattern with your works number but I see from the yorkie0274 photo that 06 010 already seems to be missing it's worksplates when in Dundee - so up to you whether you need one at all (although it's also missing its rear vacuum bag, so may have already been withdrawn when the photo was taken)
One other thing - the upper rungs were generally removed from the ladders in the locos' later life - the Brian Daniels' shot in Dundee seems to show the lower two (or maybe three) rungs left. Difficult to tell.
lancer1027
Western Thunderer
Thanks mate for the info.
As regards the worksplates , yes 06 010 has had them removed but i think Steve was enquiring about them for a possible second 06 in the future.
I guess its a case of keep trawling the internet and hope i come accross a pic showing the front bufferbeam
.
Once i get back from Telford show at the weekend i will have a chat with steve and get some progress pics put on here for you to have a look and see how were doing.
Cheers Rob
As regards the worksplates , yes 06 010 has had them removed but i think Steve was enquiring about them for a possible second 06 in the future.
I guess its a case of keep trawling the internet and hope i come accross a pic showing the front bufferbeam
.Once i get back from Telford show at the weekend i will have a chat with steve and get some progress pics put on here for you to have a look and see how were doing.
Cheers Rob
Intercity126
Western Thunderer
I was interested to read on the BBC Technology website recently that a pioneering team from IBM in Zurich has published single-molecule images so detailed that the type of atomic bonds between their atoms can be discerned.
In a similar vein, I seem to have again managed to achieve incremental progress of such tiny magnitude that it is registerable on special high resolution digital photography.... but is still not enough to finish the body off.
This month I have mostly been making fuel fillers.
Starting as usual with a small selection of bits and bobs from my extensive scrap collection.
I wound some fine brass wire round a pin to make a "chain", leaving a forked end.
I bent the chain so that the forked end matches up with the shaft of the pin.
A brass nut of random dimensions completes the main assembly.
The above took all of a few short minutes (taking the photos took longer) but I then made the by now traditional fatal error of searching tinternet for a good photograph. My own photo of 97 804 (06 003) at Reading in post #8 showed that the main vacuum pipe runs under the right hand side footplate. Bah - more pesky details to be researched.
It was to be nearly a full month before I was able to get back down to the workshop to complete the assembly of the fuel fillers, but now that they are finished I'm quite pleased with them. Somewhat overscale, but I can live with that.
A small piece of scrap was drilled and shaped to form the mounting plate. Here is the right hand filler in place.
and the left hand side.
I sometimes find it quite amusing that this thread appears in a forum area designated as "Action".
In a similar vein, I seem to have again managed to achieve incremental progress of such tiny magnitude that it is registerable on special high resolution digital photography.... but is still not enough to finish the body off.
This month I have mostly been making fuel fillers.
Starting as usual with a small selection of bits and bobs from my extensive scrap collection.
I wound some fine brass wire round a pin to make a "chain", leaving a forked end.
I bent the chain so that the forked end matches up with the shaft of the pin.
A brass nut of random dimensions completes the main assembly.
The above took all of a few short minutes (taking the photos took longer) but I then made the by now traditional fatal error of searching tinternet for a good photograph. My own photo of 97 804 (06 003) at Reading in post #8 showed that the main vacuum pipe runs under the right hand side footplate. Bah - more pesky details to be researched.
It was to be nearly a full month before I was able to get back down to the workshop to complete the assembly of the fuel fillers, but now that they are finished I'm quite pleased with them. Somewhat overscale, but I can live with that.
A small piece of scrap was drilled and shaped to form the mounting plate. Here is the right hand filler in place.
and the left hand side.
I sometimes find it quite amusing that this thread appears in a forum area designated as "Action".
lancer1027
Western Thunderer
Excellent work IC126,
What size is the rod and nut for the fuel filler.. The "chain" looks the dogs danglies. .
I have started work on the bonnets so will post pics soon.
Rob
What size is the rod and nut for the fuel filler.
. The "chain" looks the dogs danglies. .I have started work on the bonnets so will post pics soon.
Rob
Phill Dyson
Western Thunderer
Your too clever by half ! 
...........great idea for the filler chains
...........great idea for the filler chains
Intercity126
Western Thunderer
Thanks all.
I'm afraid I can't claim any originality for the chain idea - I've seen this in a few places, most recently on some very nice PO wagons on WT (although I've unfortunately lost the link).
Rob - the nut I used is about 3.5mm AF - equating to 6" in 7mm. Too large, I'd say - probably about 4" would be better, but it's what I had in the miscellaneous scrap drawer and is the same as I used on my last shunter build, which has been "nearly" finished for far too long.... I'll probably finish it off when the Barclay gets to a similar stage.
I'm afraid I can't claim any originality for the chain idea - I've seen this in a few places, most recently on some very nice PO wagons on WT (although I've unfortunately lost the link).
Rob - the nut I used is about 3.5mm AF - equating to 6" in 7mm. Too large, I'd say - probably about 4" would be better, but it's what I had in the miscellaneous scrap drawer and is the same as I used on my last shunter build, which has been "nearly" finished for far too long.... I'll probably finish it off when the Barclay gets to a similar stage.
garethevans1986
Western Thunderer
Nice pics!
GE
GE
Intercity126
Western Thunderer
Hi Rob - found a nice shot confirming the painting of 06 010's front bufferbeam as red/yellow.Cheers mate, they will be very useful
Im guessing the front bufferbeam would also have been red/yellow like the rear.
Rob
http://www.flickr.com/photos/eric_the_duck/8127136739/
This shot also confirms that the front ladder has been reduced to 2 rungs.
What an amazing resource 'tinternet has become.
lancer1027
Western Thunderer
Hi mate, Great find, That will come in handy
Cheers Rob
Cheers Rob
Intercity126
Western Thunderer
Apologies for the time taken since the last update on this project - as usual I have been busy at work and the expected free time at Christmas turned into a couple of in-law visits and cooking a seemingly endless supply of turkey for the family and my local group of reprobate ex-pat friends.
A search for some lost negatives deep in the recesses of my railway room did however turn up some unexpected finds, a most interesting article about the Edinburgh - Glasgow push-pull services I had been looking for turned up in a pile of old railway magazines. Alongside this I also found a 1986 Model Railway Constructor with a 7mm scale drawing of the "early" version Class 06. Suddenly squirrelling away toy train comics for 26 years didn't seem to be such a crazy idea after all.
The MRC drawing seemed to match my own research quite well with the exception of the bolt pattern on top of the bonnet - the kit has a peripheral ring of bolts, whereas the drawing shows the panel bolted to 3 ribs. Photos of 06003 show that the kit is correct. The layout of the brake gear on the drawing was very useful and showed the linkage to the handbrake standard in the cab, but for copyright reasons I unfortunately can't reproduce it here.
I had also been searching for details of the vacuum train pipe which I had spotted on my photo of 06003 (as 97 804) at Reading and with my searches proving fruitless I sent a speculative request to Class 06 guru Bruce Galloway. He had detail shots beyond my wildest dreams and I was able to confirm the routing and complete the vacuum pipe in short order.
The union at the front was made by fastening some rings of wire to the main pipe and flooding with solder.
The vacuum pipe kicks up to clear the tank filler. I bored out a couple of brass nuts to use as pipe unions. It would have been useful to have had working ones as it was a bit of a fiddle to get the pre-bent pipe into place in one section.
The pipe in place just after a rinse to remove the excess of flux.
Bruce had also taken quite a few photos of the cab interior which showed a number of quite substantial air tanks - again I don't have permission to reproduce these, but I made a working sketch from the information in the photos. Those interested can download the pdf file.
I made some cylinders from tube with a roughly formed end plate soldered on. The wobbly Black and Decker was used in conjunction with a file and appropriate eye protection to turn this into reasonable cylinder.
End caps are from 12BA nuts in the spares drawer and electrical wire air pipes. A gross simplification, but the best I can do. The air pressure regulator(?) is from an old "Joueff" coupling screw which happened to be about the right size and shape, with a wire soldered on to represent the oil filler
I'm assembling the equipment on a base (which I'll trim later) to allow easier painting.
Trial fitting in the Cab. Still to add are the two smaller tanks and the handbrake standard.
Note that the rivet detail on the outside of the cab confirms the positions of the air cylinders. Once I saw the cab interior photos, these details suddenly all made sense.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The terrible news about Cynric cast a dark shadow over the start of the year. I never met The Guv', but through his website I felt like I knew him quite well. A tragic, tragic loss to our little internet community which pales into insignificance compared to the loss to his family.
Hopefully by continuing "making and doing" and presenting the results here on Western Thunder we can in some small way contribute to his legacy.
A search for some lost negatives deep in the recesses of my railway room did however turn up some unexpected finds, a most interesting article about the Edinburgh - Glasgow push-pull services I had been looking for turned up in a pile of old railway magazines. Alongside this I also found a 1986 Model Railway Constructor with a 7mm scale drawing of the "early" version Class 06. Suddenly squirrelling away toy train comics for 26 years didn't seem to be such a crazy idea after all.
The MRC drawing seemed to match my own research quite well with the exception of the bolt pattern on top of the bonnet - the kit has a peripheral ring of bolts, whereas the drawing shows the panel bolted to 3 ribs. Photos of 06003 show that the kit is correct. The layout of the brake gear on the drawing was very useful and showed the linkage to the handbrake standard in the cab, but for copyright reasons I unfortunately can't reproduce it here.
I had also been searching for details of the vacuum train pipe which I had spotted on my photo of 06003 (as 97 804) at Reading and with my searches proving fruitless I sent a speculative request to Class 06 guru Bruce Galloway. He had detail shots beyond my wildest dreams and I was able to confirm the routing and complete the vacuum pipe in short order.
The union at the front was made by fastening some rings of wire to the main pipe and flooding with solder.
The vacuum pipe kicks up to clear the tank filler. I bored out a couple of brass nuts to use as pipe unions. It would have been useful to have had working ones as it was a bit of a fiddle to get the pre-bent pipe into place in one section.
The pipe in place just after a rinse to remove the excess of flux.
Bruce had also taken quite a few photos of the cab interior which showed a number of quite substantial air tanks - again I don't have permission to reproduce these, but I made a working sketch from the information in the photos. Those interested can download the pdf file.
I made some cylinders from tube with a roughly formed end plate soldered on. The wobbly Black and Decker was used in conjunction with a file and appropriate eye protection to turn this into reasonable cylinder.
End caps are from 12BA nuts in the spares drawer and electrical wire air pipes. A gross simplification, but the best I can do. The air pressure regulator(?) is from an old "Joueff" coupling screw which happened to be about the right size and shape, with a wire soldered on to represent the oil filler
I'm assembling the equipment on a base (which I'll trim later) to allow easier painting.
Trial fitting in the Cab. Still to add are the two smaller tanks and the handbrake standard.
Note that the rivet detail on the outside of the cab confirms the positions of the air cylinders. Once I saw the cab interior photos, these details suddenly all made sense.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The terrible news about Cynric cast a dark shadow over the start of the year. I never met The Guv', but through his website I felt like I knew him quite well. A tragic, tragic loss to our little internet community which pales into insignificance compared to the loss to his family.
Hopefully by continuing "making and doing" and presenting the results here on Western Thunder we can in some small way contribute to his legacy.