Prototype The DB/DBAG and some trams in Dusseldorf in the nineties

[Roger Pound]

OR.......more of Rogers rough old pictures.

I had a great friend who was not only resident in Dusseldorf but a great railway enthusiast and it was my privilege to spend many happy days over the years with him at his home. I took rather a lot of photographs whilst I was there and I was recently looking through my album and it occurred to me that they may be of interest to other members of the forum. I thought a small selection from my visits to the DB Museum at Bochum-Dalhausen would be a good start. Regrettably, in my well known haphazard way, I did not date them but they were taken over the period between the late eighties and early nineties. Sadly my friend died of cancer in the mid nineties, which brought my German trips to a close.

It is my intention to add pictures in multiples of six of the Dusseldorf scene including further ones of the museum should interest be shown. So here we go:






The pictures show as follows: 1. Br 41 241 leaving the Museum yard to run a 'Plandampf' service.
2. BR 23 071 in steam, giving footplate rides up and down the yard.
3 & 4. BR 38 2287, also engaged in giving footplate trips
5. BR01 008 - static display.
6, This picture of Br 55 3345 was taken a couple of years earlier than the others on my first ever visit to Bochum-Dalhausen.

That is the first batch - please indicate if you want me to continue this thread in a similar vein.

Hope you enjoyed the above.

Roger .

 

[oldravendale]

I always like to see prototype pictures, so more please Roger.

Brian

 

[Brian Daniels]

Keep em coming!

 

[Roger Pound]

Thanks to everyone for the 'Likes' and encouragement. Here are a further half=dozen from Bochum Dalhousen Museum, this time of diesels and el;ectrics.




In order of appearance the pictures show:-
1. V65 011, an 0-8-0 shunter .
2. BB V200 033 leaving the yard
3 BB V160 003 as a static exhibit.
4. E32 27 - another static exhibit.
5. E94 080, also an exhibit. I have a history of having 'chased' these locos in the Neckar Valley and some time back I published them in this gallery. I think the title was 'Crocodiles at Eberbach'
6. This little BoBo was apparently used by the German Post Office on their own system.

That's it for museum pictures for now - main line everyday activities next. I'll see you then.

Roger.

 

[Roger Pound]

Some every day pictures of rail traffic in Dusseldorf seen during my visits. There are a considerable number of these to come in groups of six, so if your favourite isn't in this lot, please be patient. Should anyone like me to post a group of a particular class of loco that was in current use in the Rhineland area during the period, please ask and I'll do my best to oblige if possible.


The locos featured are as follows:
No.1 Br 103 115 awaiting departure from Dusseldorf Hbf
No.2 Br 111 130 at the Hbf with a Rhein S-Bahn service
No.3 Br 110319 passing Dusseldorf Zoo Bf.
No.4 Br111 111 - the class member everyone wanted to see - at Dusseldorf Hbf.
No.5 Br290 345 shunting the hump road at Dusseldorf-Derendorf
No.6 Former DR 'Ludmilla' , now DBAG 232 453 running past Derendorf Bf with a train of steel billets.
Enjoy!

Roger

 

[Roger Pound]

More everyday traffic in Dusseldorf Hbf and passing through the outskirts of the city.




The 'cast list' this time :- No.1 Br 111 099, still in Ocean blue/white livery and matching coaches and an IC service at Dusseldorf Hbf. Note that the larger logo has been applied to the loco.
No.2 Former DR loco, now renumbered to DBAG Br112 158 entering Dusseldorf HBF.
No.3 Br120 122 entering the same platform as 112 158, (which had previously departed), with a following train.
No.4 Br110 406 passing Derendorf Bf in the then new red livery
No.5 Br114 497, an uprated development for IC services of Br110 locos, passing Dusseldorf Zoo Bf.
No.6 Br 333 025 on the Post Office sidings at Dusseldorf Hbf. One of a number of Kofs regularly seen there. Despite the recent re-paint the old 'biscuit' logo has been applied.

Roger.

 

[Yorkshire Dave]

Nice photos Roger, I was in and around Dortmund, Frankfurt (Main), Stuttgart, Nürnberg and München around this period.

I always felt DBAG lost their way a bit when they adopted the Orientrot livery with the white 'bib' which didn't suit many locos (except the Br 211/212, Br 260/360 and Br 290 (V100, V60 and V90). The later Verkehrsrot livery suited the main line locos better - however I still prefer the Ozeanblau/Beige livery.

From reading I understand DBAG transferred a number of the ex-DR 143s to the Rhine-Rhur to release the Br 111s for main line traffic.

I did capture ex-DR 143 968-6 in original livery with the DB logo slapped over the DR logo hauling an Ozeanblau/Beige postal coach.

 

[Roger Pound]

Thanks for your kind comments Dave. You are quite right - the S-Bahn was quickly taken over by the former DR locos that became Br 143 xxx. My late friend and I were on a service being hauled by one which failed at D-Werhann, one stop out from the Hbf. The driver was out of his cab and started tracing the locos ancestry in no uncertain way to the crowd . My dear friend told me it was so rude that he would not translate, knowing it was beyond my limited knowledge of the language. I hope to have a couple of 143's in S-Bahn livery in an upcoming post. I believe the bulk of the displaced Br111 moved to Southern Germany replacing some of the older types still in use, although I am open to correction on this

Roger..

 

[Arun Sharma]

I was in Frankfurt am Oder yesterday going from Helsinki to Copenhagen via a devious route. There were three ex-DR class 243s there - presumably a slightly more recent iteration of the DR class 143.


There was also a class 66 belonging to Freightliner but one of its european offshoots.

 

[Roger Pound]

Thank you Arun. The locos you saw are of the class that was renumbered BR 143 XXX following re-unification, class 243 locos became Class 143. As I undertand the situation, things were worked out as follows - others may know more or differently. The DR classification method was 'opposite' to the DB one, ie the electric classes were all 2xx and diesels 1xx, whereas the DB electric classes were 1xx and diesels 2xx broadly speaking. Following reunification the 'new' system was standardised to the former DB style. One can only assume that the locos you saw were somehow escapees from the system although as far as I can make out, they appear to have DBAG style numbers -this looks to me to be like 243 179 9 - open to correction though. Perhaps some one else may throw some light on the subject.

A further batch from Dusseldorf in the Nineties now. A little self indulgence here with a small selection of my favourite Br 103 CoCo types in Traffic Red and Bib livery seen at Derendorf. They always hurtled past on the through lines but were, imho, always a sight to behold. This time, in order of appearance they are:
No.1 Br103 145 with an IC express in the oceanblau/beige livey heading towards Dusseldorf Hbf.
No.2 This unidentified loco is a modellers delight with a mixed livery train heading out from Dusseldorf.
No 3 Br103 180 heading towards the Hbf. Another mix of liveries as seen in no. 1 above.



A selection of oceanblau/beige liveries now on various diesel types:

No. 4 BB loco Br290 356, freshly turned out in this livery, shunting Derendorf yard.
No.5 BB loco Br212 264 on a local train awaiting departure from the Hbf.
No. 6 Another of the half-dozen or so 'Kof's' regularly seen at the HBF, this time Br323 018 .

Roger

 

[Wagonman]

I paid a visit to Bochum-Dalhausen some time in the '90s. My wife is a native of those parts which made it simpler!

 

[Roger Pound]

A little larger selection of more preserved items at Bochum-Dalhousen Museum. These may be of more interest to the rolling stock enthiasts, but there is a bit of motive power, albeit of the internal combustion type.... !





First, apologies for the gaps between groups - for some unknown (to me) reason, the gap at the bottom of the scanned pages refused to reduce. However, to press on the vehicles shown are as follows:-
No.1 A set of 'Stuckgut-Schnellverkehr' wagons.
No.2 An acid carrier, a klapdeckelwagon and a G10 van to the rear. All three were produced in H0 scale by Piko in it's early days.
No.3 A very distressed KPEV covered wagon awaiting major restoration. The loco behind it was an industrial tank engine.
No.4 A nicely restored 'Bromburg' bogie van.
No.5 Equally well restored is this DR Fish van.
No.6 Clerestory three wheeled coaches of the DRG.
No.7 Four-wheeled "pig's nose" rail bus. Sorry, the German nickname escapes me at the moment.
No 8. A DB road-rail bus. The indicator blind seems to imply it worked in the Koblenz area.
No.9 An 'Elefant' road tug with a trailer and tankwagon load. These were used to deliver and collect cargo from industries with no rail connection , normally in towns and Cities.

Back to the main lines soon .

Roger.

 

[Wagonman]

A little larger selection of more preserved items at Bochum-Dalhousen Museum. These may be of more interest to the rolling stock enthiasts, but there is a bit of motive power, albeit of the internal combustion type.... !

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First, apologies for the gaps between groups - for some unknown (to me) reason, the gap at the bottom of the scanned pages refused to reduce. However, to press on the vehicles shown are as follows:-
No.1 A set of 'Stuckgut-Schnellverkehr' wagons.
No.2 An acid carrier, a klapdeckelwagon and a G10 van to the rear. All three were produced in H0 scale by Piko in it's early days.
No.3 A very distressed KPEV covered wagon awaiting major restoration. The loco behind it was an industrial tank engine.
No.4 A nicely restored 'Bromburg' bogie van.
No.5 Equally well restored is this DR Fish van.
No.6 Clerestory three wheeled coaches of the DRG.
No.7 Four-wheeled "pig's nose" rail bus. Sorry, the German nickname escapes me at the moment.
No 8. A DB road-rail bus. The indicator blind seems to imply it worked in the Koblenz area.
No.9 An 'Elefant' road tug with a trailer and tankwagon load. These were used to deliver and collect cargo from industries with no rail connection , normally in towns and Cities.

Back to the main lines soon .

Roger.

No. 7 – I can't think of a nickname for the little Wismar railbuses other than the obvious 'Schweineschnäuzchen' (pig snout), but the standard gauge round ended railbuses of the VT771-2 classes were called 'Ferkel (piglet) Taxi'.

 

[Roger Pound]

Thank you @Wagonman.
Schweinenschnauzen sounds something like it to my fading memory. Much obliged. Thank you also regatding the VT771-2, I had heard of this.

Roger

 

[Yorkshire Dave]

No.9 An 'Elefant' road tug with a trailer and tankwagon load. These were used to deliver and collect cargo from industries with no rail connection , normally in towns and Cities.

The trailer will be a Culemeyer Straßenroller.

 

[Roger Pound]

Moving on to some more S-Bahn, local service and Airport express pictures. The S-Bahn featured both loco-hauled and emu services as shown. Battery operated units were also in common use on branch-line services. The Airport express consisted at that time of the 'Donald Duck' units. I was not fortunate enough to see the service being run by a Br103 in Airport Service livery and matching train.





Index for the above:-
No.1 Br 431 dmu in S-Bahn livery
No.2 Br`143 593 - the former DR type which replaced the Br111 locos formerly on this service. The loco is, propelling it's train out of Derendorf towards Zoo.
No.3 Br515 Battery units at Dusseldorf Hbf.
No.4 'Donald Duck' - full frontal! Entering Dusseldorf Hbf. The unit identity was not ascertained
Nos.5&6 A pair of pictures of a 'Donald Duck' unit entering and passing Derendorf station. These units always took the 'slow' line possibly for access to Dusseldorf Airport. I confess that I never discovered the exact routing of the service. Mea culpa!

Roger.

 

[Roger Pound]

At the time of my visits freight services in the area were principally in the hands of class Br 140's. Derendorf Depot was dominated by the latter class, but was not possible to get to at the time. However, here are three pictures taken from the station platform with one rather long shot of locos parked at the depot. Unfortunately I cannot supply numbers of the machines, but the first two poictures show Br 140's travelling through with hopper trains. The third, with the locos equally anonymous, is the Depot.

This next batch show general views of partr of the extensive yards which stretch virtully all the way to Dusseldorf Hbf. The were taken from the road overbridge adjacent to the entrance to Derndorf Station.
The first picture shows the hump road and the controlling tower in the centre. This was at anunusually quiet time when there was little activity in this epart of the yard.
The second picture shows a Br 290 hump shunting.
The final picture shows a class 360 approaching which has just passed under the main running lines to the Hbf on a goods avoiding line, the entrance to the underpass being near


A selection of Br 103's in action next time.

Roger.

 

[Roger Pound]

I mentioned earlier in this thread my admiration of the superb Br 103 class. IMHO they looked the part and the original livery of red and cream was the one which suited them best. I always felt that some of their 'presence' was lost in the following livery of traffic red and white bib. Anyway, enough waffle, here we go - details at the end as usual:-



No. 1 Br 103 115 awaiting departure from Dusseldorf Hbf
No. 2 An unidentifed Br 103 speeding through Derendorf in pouring rain - not the 'bow wave' from the pantograph.
No. 3 Br103 143 passes a Br111 hauled S-bahn service at Derendorf.
No. 4 Br103 183 entering Dusseldorf Hbf with an express from Koln.
No. 5 A rather battered Br103 192 entering Dusseldorf Hbf. The damage was apparently superficial as it was still in front line service,
No. 6 Br103 128 gently easing to a stop at the Hbf.

More variety soon.

Roger.

 

[Yorkshire Dave]

No. 6 Br103 128 gently easing to a stop at the Hbf.

'gently' would be a relative term - I recall seeing Br103s at Koblenz in the late 1990s early 2000s and one came in at the head of a train of about eight SBB 26.4m Eurofima coaches plus their panorama coach. It approached the end of the platform at what appeared to be line speed and both my friend and myself thought it was a non-stopper. But no, it braked hard and came to a halt in the platform to which I was expecting all the passengers to be crunched up at the front end of the coaches given the speed it was travelling.

 

[Roger Pound]

A few oddments of shunters at work and other things............
The first and third pictures show Br 363's shunting in the yards at Derendorf. The third picture was taken by my late friend Artur Simons whilst at the yard to collect a delivery for his employer.
The second picture is of a 323 shunting the Post Office sidings at Dusseldof Hbf.

Now the 'other things' - the first two pictures show an unusual happening, at least in as far as I never saw another similar working during my many visits to the Hbf during this period.
Br 110 278, still in original blue livery had brought a train of FS sleepers into the platform where they remained with the loco attached for some time. Then Br 333 018 appeared, coupled to the Br 110 and pulled the entire train away and out of the station area to sidings. The little 'Kof' appeared to handle this not insignificant train without any problem.


The final picture shows Br 140 125 in original green livery. This has crept in from a batch of pictures taken in Koln - whoops !

See you soon,

Roger.