7mm Yorky D's LT - Wagonery tales from the Met.

Yorkshire Dave

Western Thunderer
Looking at the website BEA had quite a sizeable fleet of RMAs.

It must have been a nice sound travelling at 70 mph down a motorway in one of these.
 

Paul Cambridge

Western Thunderer
Isn't motorway, being M4 to and from London, and 70mph an oxymoron?

Brian
Not back in the days when those RMAs were running for BEA. I remember travelling from Berkshire to London in the late ‘60s with Dad. The traffic was, well light in comparison to today. Back then, the M4 stopped just east of Reading if I recall! Of topic; who remembers the 2 lane section of the M5 between the junction for the M50 and the M6? Traffic was heavy, but it kept moving. Nowadays it’s 3 lanes with so called ‘smart’ sections and it is horrendous. Road use has increased out of all recognition in my lifetime.
 

Yorkshire Dave

Western Thunderer
Road use has increased out of all recognition in my lifetime.

Yes it appears car ownership and lorries have virtually outstripped road capacity. One car families seem to be a rarity, now it's a case of two, three or more cars per household.

It's well known a new road or motorway generates traffic whilst the existing roads remain full - where does the extra traffic come from?
 

Paul Cambridge

Western Thunderer
Yes it appears car ownership and lorries have virtually outstripped road capacity. One car families seem to be a rarity, now it's a case of two, three or more cars per household.

It's well known a new road or motorway generates traffic whilst the existing roads remain full - where does the extra traffic come from?

Guilty as charged. 2 people, 2 cars in our household. When I was a lad (shades of Monty Python ...) we walked to school. At senior school, some walked nearly 2 miles each way. Now a days with choice of which school to go to, people drive miles. I live 100m away from a senior school. It’s mayhem in the morning and the afternoons are worse as they park indiscriminately. Some time the schools buses have to drive on the pavement to go up and down :rant:.

I used to walk to work, it was about 1km. I crossed a main dual carriageway way at the lights. It was very noticeable at about 7:40 during school holiday time how much quieter the road was. That’s one example.

My wife is currently in North Devon District Hospital. I live about 1.5km away. To save time on the first afternoon, I thought I would drive. The queue to get in was at least 400m long down the hill and out of sight. The following day I walked.

It’s all these extra journeys created by schools, increasing demand on the NHS, our desire to use ‘out of town’ shopping etc etc. that drives up the demand for road useage.
 

simond

Western Thunderer
I was a school parent governor for a wee while back when my two were at primary school. There were incessant demands that parents shouldn’t drive their little darlings to school, they should walk etc, etc. Which is all well and good, if you have time, but where both parents work, or it’s a single (working) parent family, it’s usually a case of drop kids at school on way to office - we don’t live in the days of “housewives” any more.

The school simply didn’t want to hear it, let alone to grasp the opportunity of making it easier & safer by adopting a scheme I’d seen in the US. The school road was one-way, and the kids were dropped off in a lay-by, on the near side, the parents never got out of the car, no parking at all, and no crossing of roads. Simple, safe, quick & efficient, but unwelcome because it doesn’t fit the politics...

There’s at least two sides to every story!

And, of course, we can blame out-of-town shopping & supermarkets, to use either, a car is entirely necessary. But they are cost effective and hold a vast range, and are clearly seen as a good thing by many, if not most people. But they’ve done for the high street, (long before Amazon et al twisted the blade) and they’ve done something more insidious. When you spent a tenner in the high street, a good proportion of it circulated in the town. If you spend a tenner in a supermarket, only the percentage that goes on wages stays in the town, the rest goes to the suppliers, and the stock market. Sayonara!

Best
Simon
 
Last edited:

Eastsidepilot

Western Thunderer
...........and surely affordability of owning a car has became easier over the decades, when I was a young kid, 5 or 6 yrs old ( I'm 62 ) my Father, a carpenter & joiner couldn't afford a car even though he worked for the family business, a quite large successful one at the time as well, our first family car was his Father's handed down when my Grandfather bought a new one.
There were hardly any cars in our street ( early 60's ).
Point being, increase in affordable income and increase in population outstrips the roads in town originally built to cope with horse and carts basically.
Even the poorly paid or on benefits seem to manage to acquire cars by what ever means to get to work etc.
That's not to mention transport being taken from the railways and put onto trucks.
And if we want to turn every major A road into a 4+ lane M-way then god help us.:eek:

Sorry Dave we've hi-jacked your thread mate :D

Col.
 
Met 6T

Yorkshire Dave

Western Thunderer
Sorry Dave we've hi-jacked your thread mate :D
Sorry Dave, went off on one...

No worries chaps.....

Back onto the Met ballast wagons and these are slowly getting there and in the immortal words of E F Benson's George "Georgie" Pillson (Mapp & Lucia novels) - How tiresome..... Added to my heavy weather in building what is a simple vehicle.

Being a bit P'd off with the axle boxes, W irons, etc....... on one of the chassis I decided to remove the fold up etched W irons. Incidentally I checked the spacing of these and they are more suited to 5' or 5'6'' gauge :shit: ????

Anyway I cut some 2.5mm square styrene and inserted a double layer into the chassis to support new ABS axle guards and springs etc a bit crude but it works.
Met 6T ballast 24.jpg

Another shortcoming of the kit, and like a fool :rolleyes: I punched the rivets and built the wagons, is the interior detail.
Met 6T ballast 27.jpg

So I set about cutting strips of Tamiya masking tape to represent the interior bracing.Met 6T ballast 25.jpg

Now I know what to do next time.... No more brass wagon kits :headbang: - I'll think I'll be scratch building these in the future.

And the trio thus far. The centre wagon is the one with the ABS W iron, spring and axlebox castings. There's no logic whatsoever in my approach as I realise the centre truck requires the brake safety loops..... :confused:
Met 6T ballast 26.jpg
 

Rob Pulham

Western Thunderer
Sorry Dave,

It looks like I dodged a bit of a bullet by passing these on to you. - I still have a Quainton Road GCR Fish van in the stash I hope that I fare better with that when I get to it.
 

Yorkshire Dave

Western Thunderer
Sorry Dave,

It looks like I dodged a bit of a bullet by passing these on to you. - I still have a Quainton Road GCR Fish van in the stash I hope that I fare better with that when I get to it.

No apology required Rob. You'll have no problem with the GCR fish van as your kit building skills are eminently far superior to mine.

Brass kits and I don't mix at the moment and I was naively thinking the kit should have been easy to assemble :oops: doh! Compounded by not having built brass kits like this for ages** and the lack of suitable research.

**Apart from the GE 70T which practically fell together! :)

Obviously the Quainton Road brass kits are of a certain vintage when battleship plate and a lack of interior design was in vogue :eek:.

I also have a brass Alphagrafix EKR (ex LCDR) carriage kit in my stashette of one and at this rate it'll carry on waiting until it has broken down into it's elements :rolleyes:.

However, moving on, my next little projects will be to make to make up patterns for some more LT (ex-MET) wagons namely the 3 plank open 9'6'' w/b 16' body; 5 plank open 9' w/b 14'11'' body and 5 plank open 9' w/b 16' body.
 
Met 6T

Yorkshire Dave

Western Thunderer
At Brizzle O gauge show I picked up some of these from the Connoisseur stand.... although intended for 4 and 6 wheel carriages I could no see any reason why the cannot be used in wagons...

Met 6T ballast 28.jpg

Here they have been prepared and are a simple fold up construction.
Met 6T ballast 29.jpg

Here they have been retrospectively installed by directly soldering to the wagon chassis. Further photos will be forthcoming showing the underside when the other two wagons are fitted out. The wagon here is sitting on the kitchen radiator drying after washing - how considerate of the radiator manufacturer to space the top of the double radiator at track width.Met 6T ballast 30.jpg
 

Yorkshire Dave

Western Thunderer
And some more of my photos taken in the late 70's early 80's.... with early attempts of taking photos from a moving train in the days when you could open the windows...

Met A stock approaching Harrow. This was taken from a Marylebone - Aylesbury train and remains one of my personal favourites as I've captured the arcing which has lit up the inside of the wheels.
00 Harrow 1.jpg

Some more A stock - I think this is near Preston Road. It's just the way the driver is resting on the dead mans handle!00 Harrow 2.jpg

Baker Street. 00 Harrow 3.jpg

Amersham. 00 Harrow 4.jpg

Marylebone DMU depot - which no longer exists as the depot is now at Aylesbury. 00 Harrow 5.jpg

Neasden Depot
00 Harrow 10.jpg

Kingston bus garage. 00 Harrow 6.jpg

Park Lane.
00 Harrow 7.jpg

Jubilee Line. 00 Harrow 8.jpg

And my take of the classic view of Piccadilly Circus Bakerloo Line platforms. 00 Harrow 9.jpg
 

Peter Insole

Western Thunderer
Ah, memories indeed!

I have an amusing one regarding Amersham station:

Dave, I spent a couple of happy hours one sunny afternoon tape recording that A stock, at the same spot as in your photo, and around the same time period too.

Only after I had packed away all the equipment, microphones, cables etc., and was awaiting the next train back to Baker St., that a senior member of the station staff decided to challenge me:

"You're not allowed to take photographs you know" he insisted!

"I'm sorry sir, yes I do know, but I wasn't taking photo's" I politely replied.

He repeated the warning twice more, in a more insistent tone.

"But I was making a tape recording... not taking any photos at all" I rather foolishly contended.

At this point he shouted, and pointing at my bagged up gear;

"YOU... ARE... NOT... ALLOWED... TO... TAKE... PHOTOGRAPHS..." !

"Oh well" I said, "Whatever you think I was doing it's a bit late now, I'm all finished and going home anyway... so thanks, but you needn't worry about it sir, I won't take any more photographs"!!

He then seemed to be completely satisfied with my final admission of guilt.

Funny man?!

Pete.
 
Last edited:

76043

Western Thunderer
Speaking of audio of Underground trains, there's tube train doors closing then pulling out on the beginning (during and end) of This City Never Sleeps by the Eurythmics from Sweet Deams album. Lyrics also mention the Underground, I wonder how many other popular beat music combo's have done something similar? :)

You can hear the sound
Of the underground trains
You know it feels like distant thunder
You know there's so many people
Living in this house
And don't even know their names
I guess it's just a feeling, (in the city)
Walls so thin I can almost
Hear them breathing
And if I listen in
I feel my own heart beating
 
Last edited:

Yorkshire Dave

Western Thunderer
Ah, memories indeed!

I have an amusing one regarding Amersham station:

Dave, I spent a couple of happy hours one sunny afternoon tape recording that A stock, at the same spot as in your photo, and around the same time period too.

Only after I had packed away all the equipment, microphones, cables etc., and was awaiting the next train back to Baker St., that a senior member of the station staff decided to challenge me:

"You're not allowed to take photographs you know" he insisted!

"I'm sorry sir, yes I do know, but I wasn't taking photo's" I politely replied.

My dad and myself had a similar experience at Holborn Viaduct (HL). We were busy taking photos and when just about finished an officious employee walked up to us and said ''no photography, you're not allowed to photograph here''.

At which point it was too late. However, we did turn around to read the signs... No Parking, No Waiting, etc but could not find one saying No Photography.

And here's one of the photos. Of course Holborn Viaduct (HL) was demolished and replaced by the subterranean City Thameslink station.
Holborn Viaduct LCDR.jpg
 

Yorkshire Dave

Western Thunderer
Speaking of audio of Underground trains, there's tube train doors closing then pulling out on the beginning (during and end) of This City Never Sleeps by the Eurythmics from Sweet Deams album. Lyrics also mention the Underground, I wonder how many other popular beat music combo's have done something similar?

The only song which sprang to my mind was Going Underground by The Jam - but this relates to taking shelter from a nuclear war.
 

Yorkshire Dave

Western Thunderer
Then there is Ian Dury and the Blockheads My Old Man which has the opening lines...

My old man wore three piece whistles
He was never home for long
Drove a bus for London Transport
He knew where he belonged
Number eighteeen down to Euston
Double decker move along
Double decker move along
My old man
 
Top