News from JLTRT

Discussion in 'Talk' started by Compton castle, 8 September 2014.

  1. Dog Star

    Dog Star Western Thunderer

    Almost two years after the CAD drawings were published on WT, the Scaleseven Group has announced production of a 7mm scale wheel for the kit, the full story is here:-Brush Type 4 / Class 47 wheels from S7 Group .
  2. Compton castle

    Compton castle Western Thunderer

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    For any that didn't get to Telford
  3. Dan Randall

    Dan Randall Western Thunderer

    I couldn't stop going back to look at the Class 47 - it looks great. :thumbs:


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  4. richard carr

    richard carr Western Thunderer

    I think the 47 might be next on my list.

    The DMU looked great too, but I suspect that is a year away at least.

  5. Dog Star

    Dog Star Western Thunderer

    If thinking of a Brush Type 4, remember that the S7 Group can supply suitable wheels with "dishing" to the front and to the rear... see here.

    The first batch of these wheels has been sold, a second batch was received at the show... hurry along now.
  6. Pencarrow

    Pencarrow Western Thunderer

    Dan, Dan, Dan, I showed you exactly what you needed on the Finney7 stand. Sort of airsmoothed box shape. ;-p

    Had a really good chat with Pete W. Started off as an enquiry about Bulleid coaches (which by the way are still on the list of coach kits he intends doing), progressed to talking about Spamcans he's known/owned/repaired and then on to his concerns about how the amount of new 7mm RTR is changing the hobby. Top bloke.
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  7. Dan Randall

    Dan Randall Western Thunderer

    Well, the Class 47/Brush Type 4 is sort of airsmoothed and box shaped and in my defence, will be finished in green (albeit two-tone, with full yellow ends). :thumbs:


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  8. JB Models

    JB Models Member

    The Class 47 looks great!
  9. Yorkshire Dave

    Yorkshire Dave Western Thunderer

    Any indication of which Bulleid coaches - 59' or 64'? pre 1948 Eastleigh or post 1947 BRCW? Bournemouth stock? #100s? 'Queen of Sheba' 4-subs.......?
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  10. Pencarrow

    Pencarrow Western Thunderer

    Nothing for certain but I thought Pete mentioned 64'. Just hope he recognises how important the different types of brake coach are in making up sets. I'm quietly hoping that a loose BCK will be on the cards.
  11. The Derby Lightweight is soooo tempting, because they were so much part of my childhood on the former GC (and joint) lines out to Hayfield and Macclesfield. As a pre-group modeller, I cannot possibly justify such a thing and yet I must confess I would like one. And I don't normally even look at diesels!
  12. Jordan

    Jordan Mid-Western Thunderer

    That would be interesting to hear about. I suspect the Dapol 08 has greatly impacted sales of his 08, for instance.

    PS that Duff does look good!!
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  13. Martin Field

    Martin Field Western Thunderer

    And I've just cut a set of bogie frames for my scratchbuilt one. So, do I ignore this or do it in S scale? It would still be worth a good bit as a scratchbuilt and I will be making under floor motor bogies. Nah, the Hell with Mr. Waterman, I'll do it anyway. No-one ever stopped me before!
  14. Pencarrow

    Pencarrow Western Thunderer

    I suspect the fact that two companies now producing at RTR version of his pannier kit won't be helping JLTRT either.
  15. JohnG

    JohnG Active Member

    The JLTRT is still the most accurate release to date, and by some, PAD made a cracking job of his on the other side.
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  16. djparkins

    djparkins Western Thunderer

    I think we need a bit of perspective here.

    As the old saying goes "What goes around, comes around".

    JLTRT weren't averse to offering a little competition to others when they came onto the scene, so now, in a spirit of consistency - and of embracing the 'free market', they must surely welcome the competition they are getting in turn from the RTR offerings.

    Did JLTRT think of Slaters when they introduced their BR Box Vans? or DJH or PRMRP with their Diesel Kits? Did they think of MMP with their Diesels and Mk.1 Coaches? Of course not – and none of us would expect them to. They are in business, after all. But by the same token, so are all the rest of us, be it RTR or kit manufacturers.

    And anyway, their web site states that JLTRT kits are the most accurate around – so they should have absolutely nothing to worry about. Theirs will not be the only 08 kit to be affected by the Dapol RTR version, but what is the point of complaining? You just have to take it on the chin, like the rest of us.

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  17. Stirling O

    Stirling O Active Member

    It's about time we had something original, rather than replicating what all ready exists. I can't be bothered to count, but how many 7 mm GWR panniers are on the market. Yes I know that there were many variations of the pannier, but duplication of certain types still occurs. I know it's all about economics, but I wish just for once, somebody would take the bull by the horns and produce something original, and NOT GWR!!

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  18. Pencarrow

    Pencarrow Western Thunderer

    As a fairly recent convert to 7mm I must admit that my first visit to a G0G show at Telford back in 2013 was a bit if an eye opener.

    I model BR(S) in north Cornwall which is mainly ex LSWR/SR with a light mix of BR and ex GWR.

    I wasn't really prepared for how many of the stands were selling GWR related items and how few covered LSWR or even SR subjects. The likes of Finney7 are redressing the balance slightly with their revamped range but that's a comparative drop in the ocean.

    Even when it comes to parts, you pass countless stands of GWR related loco fittings and only really have Laurie Griffin and Roxey for the LSWR/SR. (shout if you know of others)

    To a degree I think the current bias to GWR types results in people modelling what's available and perpetuates the apparent non-popularity of other companies. So yes I'd agree it would be nice to see less GWR duplication and more coverage of other companies.

    Anyway I think we've probably strayed off-topic somewhat.
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  19. Pencarrow

    Pencarrow Western Thunderer

    I think Pete's concern was more the fact that it's new RTR coming in replacing the demand generally for kits and fewer people having a go at building them.

    A general worry that 7mm is starting to the same way as 4mm where the dominance of RTR and RTP is leading to many modellers not actually making anything.

    I think there's room for both in 7mm and 7mm is more of a builders scale and a much smaller market than 4mm. So I think there will be a change but on the plus side, will the RTR stuff bring in new blood who will then go on to build kits?

    Interesting times.
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  20. Oz7mm

    Oz7mm Western Thunderer

    Not all of them will build kits, and many of them do not have, or do not believe they have the skills to do so. The RTR manufacturers need production volumes of 500+ for a project to be viable. There are few prototypes that will generate those sorts of sales. Lower volumes mean higher prices so if you want something a bit less ordinary, it will cost you more.

    Note that the offerings to date have been diesels (including the Heljan offerings at a considerably higher price point)and small tank engines. The result is a tendency for layouts to begin to look the same - it seemed like that to me at Kettering this year. Heljan / Hattons have announced the LNER Pacifics while Heljan have announced a GWR Prairie (GWR again!) but I think we may be waiting a while before we see something like an Ivatt 2-6-0 and I think you will pay £600 for it. But then, good kits cost that sort of money (and more) these days by the time you have bought wheels, motor and gearbox.

    Kit makers will continue to have a market but they must go together rather better than some of those offered today if 7mm is to have variety in the future.

    Just for interest, now we have had the Dapol 08 & Jinty and the Minerva 57xx Pannier, can anyone think of a loco that could sell in the quantities that these will and that can be produced in a similar price bracket?

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