7mm 7mm Mick's Workbench - JLTRT Royal Scot

[Rob Pulham]

Hi Rob,
although the springing seems a little robust, I see what the first finished wagon rides like. I'd be interested to know how you've found them.

Hi Mick, sad to say that I haven't actually finished anything using them to the point of being able to run it properly to gauge the springing - the tank wagon is well on it's way with just detailing to do now, but the glass wagon has a fair way to go.

 

[djparkins]

Hi Rob,

I have six of these on the bench at the minute and I have the W irons, underframe detail and overlaysfrom MMP to hopefully make them up into something pretty nice. As I mentioned i've got a couple of ideas I want to experiment with for the overlays, so we'll see how it goes. It's the first time I've used the MMP W irons and I think they look the buisness, although the sprining seems a little robust, I see what the first finished wagon rides like. I'd be interested to know how you've found them. Also I haven't forgot about your weathering request, I'll post soon ,

ATB Mick

I think the thing to remember is that it is doubtful if you will see much or any reaction from the leaf springs when used on a plastic wagon with no load in it [whilst keeping the individual springs to a realistic thickness] but there is slack in the system - so all the wheels will be on the track + the individual springs still look so much better than castings and, of course, 'stand off' from the W irons - just like the real thing!

So there are other cosmetic reasons for using them apart from actual springing. Remember too though, that if you assemble them correctly [without getting any solder of any of the leaf sections!] then you are only asking ONE leaf per W iron to flex in response to the weight of the wagon, as the others below it just go along for the ride.

This also means that any of our W iron/leaf spring units as in the new kits will only require the same amount of pressure to respond whether they be 5, 6, 7 or 8 ply units.

And before you say all say anything - I know these new wagons are still not quite out + there are 19 new ones iminent - not 15 as on our web site!

Regards,

David Parkins,
Modern Motive Power

 

[7mmMick]

I think the thing to remember is that it is doubtful if you will see much or any reaction from the leaf springs when used on a plastic wagon with no load in it [whilst keeping the individual springs to a realistic thickness] but there is slack in the system - so all the wheels will be on the track + the individual springs still look so much better than castings and, of course, 'stand off' from the W irons - just like the real thing!

So there are other cosmetic reasons for using them apart from actual springing. Remember too though, that if you assemble them correctly [without getting any solder of any of the leaf sections!] then you are only asking ONE leaf per W iron to flex in response to the weight of the wagon, as the others below it just go along for the ride.

This also means that any of our W iron/leaf spring units as in the new kits will only require the same amount of pressure to respond whether they be 5, 6, 7 or 8 ply units.

And before you say all say anything - I know these new wagons are still not quite out + there are 19 new ones iminent - not 15 as on our web site!

Regards,

David Parkins,
Modern Motive Power

David,

The two units I have built so far do have movement as you describe and I'm very happy indeed with how they look. It's so much nicer seeing the free movement as per the prototype instead of a sprung horn block moving up and down with the usual cast rigid spring just stuck there. These other products have a much softer sprining and as you say don't work prototypically, this is probably what threw me off with the strength of your spring as I expected it to be of a similar strength. It makes more sense now as the number one spring seems to do all the work and having had a good look at Erik Olsen's website I'm confident the finished article will be just what I'm after. Fingures crossed I can do your kit justice, thanks for the advice,

ATB Mick

 

[dibateg]

Hello Mick -
it was really nice to see you at York,I'll be interested to see progress with the Slaters wagons.

Have you posted any pics of the tube wagon? I must confess I have not looked all the way backthrouigh this thread!

Cheers

Tony

 

[Eastsidepilot]

Ok, an update after what seems like an age since I did any modelling and even longer since I got onto the PC and had a good look through here. I've been finishing off a couple of Slater's Vans in F/S
And here's what I've managed to get done at York Show whilst on the S7 stand. The brass overlays and W-irons are as you've probably guessed, MMP, which I really do like. A great addition to the pre-printed Slater's bodies. I had a bit of trouble first time round with this one, using evo stick to fix them is a fiddly job. Following advice I'm going to try first using spray mount to stick them to 10thou plasticard and then fix them to the sides. I'll let you know how it goes
ATB Mick

Really nice work Mick, how was the York Show?

ATB, Col.

 

[7mmMick]

Hello Mick -
it was really nice to see you at York,I'll be interested to see progress with the Slaters wagons.

Have you posted any pics of the tube wagon? I must confess I have not looked all the way backthrouigh this thread!

Cheers

Tony

Hi Tony,

Nice to meet you also, I enjoyed having a good look round the Fairburn in the flesh. There are some pictures of the Tube wagon on pages two and three which having looked at the dates it's been sitting on my bench unfinished for about twelve months Here's a link to a picture of what mine will look like in the flesh when finished,

http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brlnertube/e352b7f72

Now then Col, thanks for your coments. I really enjoyed the show, I met loads of interesing people and managed a few hours watching East Lynn on one of it's last apperances. Also there was a nice S7 layout opposite with a lovely Blue Western tootling about. Not sure how you got on at Ally Pally but after three days on the stand I was completely warn out!

ATB Mick

 

[D7093]

And before you say all say anything - I know these new wagons are still not quite out + there are 19 new ones iminent - not 15 as on our web site!

Regards,

David Parkins,
Modern Motive Power

David,

You wouldn't want to enlighten us a bit more by any chance, or should we patient and wait a see

Looking forward to the release of the 1/108 and 1/109. Highly detailed and in metal, should make a much more convincing mineral wagon

Sorry to go OT Mick.

Trevor.

 

[7mmMick]

David,

You wouldn't want to enlighten us a bit more by any chance, or should we patient and wait a see

Looking forward to the release of the 1/108 and 1/109. Highly detailed and in metal, should make a much more convincing mineral wagon

Sorry to go OT Mick.

Trevor.

No problems Trevor, I'm waiting for the LMS 20ton and 22ton Tube wagons. Saving the pennies at the minute though so I don't mind waiting,

ATB Mick

 

[djparkins]

David,

You wouldn't want to enlighten us a bit more by any chance, or should we patient and wait a see

Looking forward to the release of the 1/108 and 1/109. Highly detailed and in metal, should make a much more convincing mineral wagon

Sorry to go OT Mick.

Trevor.

No problem Trevor - they are not too far off being added to the web site anyway. There is an LMS Bogie Bolster C [survived into the 1970s in Dept. use], LMS Roadstone Wagon [+ lifting bar for the roadstone tubs, for you diorama types!] and two LMS 5 Planks [one with pressed ends] - with options for the later vac-fitted conversions. Also our weighbridge & office set is now close + one or two other packs, incl. the Diamond Frame bogies from the Bolster C.

Apart from the LMS Oyster [forerunner of the ZUV Shark] this will complete our LMS programme. LNER & BR remain, culminating in some air braked stock but no further details at present & these are a little way down the line - so just another 30-40 wagon types to come out!

I beieve there were two other railway companies prior to 1948 but I cannot seem to remember the names of them!

Regards,

DJP

 

[Rob Pulham]

I beieve there were two other railway companies prior to 1948 but I cannot seem to remember the names of them!

That's funny David I seem to have the same sort of memory loss too

 

[3 LINK]

I beieve there were two other railway companies prior to 1948 but I cannot seem to remember the names of them!

Regards,

DJP

Funny that , makes you wonder why it's called Western thunder .

David if you can do me a couple of one off Minks, I might find it in my heart to forgive your memory loss .

Regards,

Martyn.

 

[djparkins]

David if you can do me a couple of one off Minks, I might find it in my heart to forgive your memory loss .

Regards,

Martyn.

Martyn -

We have otters down here - but mercifully, comparatively few mink!

Regards,

DJP

 

[7mmMick]

Ok, to prove I've been ticking over here are a few pictures of whats on my bench at the moment. The first is a good old Coinnosseur 10t LNER fish van which is not quite finished. I'm waiting to see how SteveO gets on with his ABS castings and I'll probably purchase the same, buffers, axleboxes etc to finish this. The second is a very old D&S GE Lomac. The kit is still avaliablebut now much more expensive than this was when first bought. A lovely little kit, only real pain was that the upscaling has left the etching slots too big, so some filling will be needed. This is finished apart from buffers. Any of you GE lads know where I can get some nice turned/cast brass replacements ?



ATB Mick

 

[Buckjumper]

The self-contained buffers are a later alteration and as far as I can make out there were several similar designs fitted, so you're not stymied by any slight differences to the whitemetal ones in the kit. The nearest in style that I can think of are the ones that come with Laurie Griffin's GER brake van. I don't think they're in the catalogue as separate items, but send him an email or give him a ring.

 

[Buckjumper]

And there's some nice clean soldering there Mick

 

[Caggers]

Hi Mick,

Great looking Brass...

Cheers
Simon

 

[SteveO]

Just been reading through your whole WB thread. Absolutely beautiful work - all of it, from planning and building to the painting weathering. Stunning!

I would certainly be in two minds about producing a lovely ex-works finish then heavily weathering it. The two states are just lovely in their own right.

 

[7mmMick]

Thanks for the positive comments chaps Steve, i'm relying on you to lead the way with LNER van castings and the COV B build

The self-contained buffers are a later alteration and as far as I can make out there were several similar designs fitted, so you're not stymied by any slight differences to the whitemetal ones in the kit. The nearest in style that I can think of are the ones that come with Laurie Griffin's GER brake van. I don't think they're in the catalogue as separate items, but send him an email or give him a ring.

Adrian,

I have an LG BV on order ( a six wheel version, mananged to twist his arm for the extra w-irons ) so when it arrives i'll have a look at them in the kit and will probably order a set for the lowmac. Just on the subject do you have a suitable photo of one in and around 1950 for finishing and weathering purposes. The Historical notes in the kit are limited, they detail three batch builds, the earliest being 1889. And the last living until 1967, but nothing further than that. Any help from the GE contingent would be greatly appreciated

ATB Mick

 

[Buckjumper]

Email sent; lots of history and info plus a GA and photos. You should be able to ascertain which the D&S model is by comparing against the dimensions of the three diagrams in the text and the GA of the D.25. OTTOMH I'm sure it's the D.50 as the D.25s had longitudinal planking and the D.75s were a little bigger and heavier.

 

[Eastsidepilot]

.................Any of you GE lads know where I can get some nice turned/cast brass replacements ?
ATB Mick

Nice work Mick, if you get stuck for buffers I can turn some up on the lathe mate.

ATB, Col.