Brettell Road, 1960s black country (ish)

Jim smith-wright

Western Thunderer
After all, in an exhibition, you do want people to be able to see the model — so I am guessing the light level has to be somewhat above that of a real dark night with heavy cloud cover? It might be more realistic if it was so dark nothing was clearly visible, but it wouldn’t transport people back to to the time and place you have modelled.
Thanks. On the first version I had a more enclosed and lower roof which made the layout a lot darker than it is now and a fair few people said it was too dark. Also much of the lighting was a lot brighter meaning it looked a lot more contrasty.

Some images from it's first ever show (not taken by me) can be seen here.

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Overseer

Western Thunderer
This weekend I was helping Tim at Railex (helping in the loosest term - I was there anyway!) and had a very interesting chat with a chap about lighting on layouts. He explained that lighting is what he does and he was obviously somewhat of an authority on the subject.

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Anyway the subject of this image came up, Apologies for posting it again, I get people are probably sick of seeing it but I have added a bit of rain as some people asked for it. He explained that sodium lighting on a scale of colour gives a very high spike in the yellow range and doesn't output any other colours. For this image to have the colours it does it would need a white light source, I cant say its the moon because its raining! It actually does have a white light source as I have a string of dim-able LEDs on the wall of the shed that I use to infill my night pictures. He very obviously knew exactly what he was on about! People may have noticed that at night we sometimes see in black and white. It was something I was already aware about on a very basic level. Cameras are much better at picking up colour in low light than the human eye as anyone who recently saw and photographed the northern lights probably noticed.

So I could say that the above image has a certain degree of artistic licence to it. Or at least I could if it was deliberate but the reality is it wasn't. I hate it when people throw the term artistic licence around to justify missing something or some sort of mistake after its been pointed out. It's OK to miss things, just don't try and claim it was deliberate after the event.

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So by taking all of the colour out except yellow (and putting some back in for the lorry lights and inside the phone box) we have an image that more accurately depicts what you would see if you were really standing on a rain sodden bridge in the Black Country at the end of the 1950's. Two questions now though, The first is which of the two is actually the more pleasing, or nicer image? and the second is anyone actually bothered?
I think another version of the photo is needed. From my observation I think the grass and foliage should look blacker and the red bricks should still have some red colouring. Now I need to remember the theory to explain why.

Low pressure sodium street lamps are very yellow and have terrible colour rendition. Even with the take over of street lighting by LEDs low pressure sodium lamps still have a place, or a couple of places. They are often used at intersections to provide a differentiation and warning to motorists. The other use where they are still often found is in areas with street prostitution, the theory being the terrible colour rendition makes makeup and red lipstick look awful and therefore discourage punters. High pressure sodium lamps have more red spectrum in the light and better colour rendition.
 

Yorkshire Dave

Western Thunderer
I think another version of the photo is needed. From my observation I think the grass and foliage should look blacker and the red bricks should still have some red colouring.

I think you are correct as this photo of mine taken with a 35mm film camera back in the 1980s shows. It is the A41 in Aylesbury and although with camera shake (due to trying to steady the camera on a window sill) it does show the colour renditions under sodium light. Effectively everything is washed out to black and only the whites actually reflect the sodium light. Yellows and oranges will absorb the light and appear white.

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Cameras are much better at picking up colour in low light than the human eye as anyone who recently saw and photographed the northern lights probably noticed.

Digital cameras are better at picking up colour in low light, film cameras less so as you are reliant on the colour (or B&W) film speed and emulsion which is generally geared for daylight. This image of Shipley was taken with a digital camera.

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Anyway the subject of this image came up, Apologies for posting it again, I get people are probably sick of seeing it but I have added a bit of rain as some people asked for it.

No need to apologise. It's nice to see attempts at modelling something different weatherwise and it conveys the atmosphere. The only thing with modelling the damp or rain is the road and pavements turn to a pseudo-mirror at night and the volume of water (and it's dispersal) controls the light reflection. This is one of my early B&W photos of Dunstable West Street taken on a damp/wet winters evening after a shower of rain.

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However, as with exhibition layouts, compromises have to be made to enable the viewer to see the detail. The effect of dimming the main lighting and switching on the street and house lights is sufficient to convey the notion of nightime to the veiwer - whose mind will fill the gaps.
 

Jim smith-wright

Western Thunderer
I think another version of the photo is needed. From my observation I think the grass and foliage should look blacker and the red bricks should still have some red colouring. Now I need to remember the theory to explain why.
There's a bright light source to the right as that's where the station is which is what's lighting the bushes. Also consider that while the world ends just in front of the chap at the bus stop the street lights would continue behind you if it was a real place
 

Jim smith-wright

Western Thunderer
The effect of dimming the main lighting and switching on the street and house lights is sufficient to convey the notion of nightime to the veiwer - whose mind will fill the gaps.
That's exactly it. Most exhibition layouts are very brightly lit so you don't need a lot of shielding to give the dark look. I'm probably the only layout owner who asks for the dingiest bit of the hall!
 

Jim smith-wright

Western Thunderer
Scalefour Crewe was an excellent show in my opinion and feedback from my operators was that they all enjoyed themselves (thanks for your help guys). Thanks to the show organisers for inviting us. The layout seemed well received and many people were kind enough to say nice things about it. We seemed to be quite successful in holding people attention throughout the weekend.

As with any outing theres aways a period of reflection on how the show went. The layout seemed to fight us a little in the morning but settled down. The main issue being the cassettes were causing a few problems.

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There were 2 areas with the cassettes that need addressing. Area A is that any stock that wasn't on the rails would strike the edge of the end stop supports and bring the whole train to a halt. It's unrealistic to think that everything on a cassette will always be on the track 100% of the time as the cassettes are moved around. Thats the point of them after all.

Area B is an easy fix. Theres a bit of wire that holds the connecting rail (which is loose at the end) in line with the rail on the cassette and agains the guide rail. These bits of wire were too straight meaning the joining rail could go the wrong side and all the stock would fall off. A little more of an angle to the wire will solve that.

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First approach to fix problem A was to shape the end supports so that stock doesn't stop when it hits it. A few trials showed this to be effective but it merely gets the stock past the ends and it still stays off the track. Plan b was to make a re-railer from 30 thou plasticard so that any errant stock is pushed back on to the track. The advantage of this is that I don't need to reshape the end supports at all as the stock is on the track as it runs off the cassette. This is just a rough proof of concept of course but if I fit one to the end of every cassette, as wagons will need to run of their own cassette and through the loco cassette that gives 3 opportunities to re-rail any rogue wagons and if they are still off after all that then they deserve to go back in the box for attention back home!


Above is a little test video. The brake van is running along the edge of the cassette before the join.

Aside from the usual small stock of wagons that need attention either through failures or just a general refusal on their part to play nicely we had a few issues taking stuff in and out of the yard. There were also a few clunks when running through the slip which is a dead giveaway that something is not quite right somewhere. So on returning home and when I had just 2 boards up, allowing me better access to the slip this has been investigated, tweaked and one of the check rails replaced.


A Bachmann brake van (straight wheel swap, no compensation) does the testing.
 

Jim smith-wright

Western Thunderer
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Long time readers may remember this illustration I did a fair few years ago. At the time I was toying with the idea of BR Flatiron for Brettell Road. People who know anything about these locos will know that they only made it as far as 1938 before the lastof them went for scrap but my theory was what if they didn't and made it another 2o years or so? After all we are all happy to bend the historical truth when it comes to places but why not locos too?

A brief history

Samuel Johnson of the Midland Railway had identified a need for a large passenger tank engine in 1903 and while a 0-6-4 seemed a logical progression of their 0-4-4 tanks several ideas and arrangements were put forward both before and after the design by Deeley was settled on. These ranged from a 4-4-4, a 2-6-2 with odd split side tanks, through several variations of outside cylindered 2-6-4's and a 4-6-4. All of the class of 40 were built in 1907. As it turned out this was not a wheel arrangement that would become at all common in the UK. The front axle was mounted into a Carzatti slide giving extra play and resulting in a somewhat backwards arrangement of coupling rod with the knuckle joint ahead of the middle axle and not behind it as was the norm.

In early LMS days the class were fitted wit new superheated Belpair boilers resulting in a different firebox and being longer, the boiler now sticking out from the front of the tanks. The cab spectacle plates were also changed at the same time.

In 1928 loco No.2015 derailed at speed near Newark and a passenger on its train was killed. 2 more derailments occurred in early 1935. The first instance was when N0.2023 derailed at Ashton under Hill in February, killing its driver. 3 weeks later number 2011 was observed by railway inspectors operating between Leicester and Burton upon Trent only to itself derail 5 days later at Moira. Fortunately this time no serious injuries occurred. But the reputation had set in, the class were well known as rough riders on anything other than perfect track and were noted to run smoother going backwards.

An idea not completely without precedent.

The case for these locos lasting longer than they did is not without precedent. Class leader No.2000 underwent some modifications to see if the riding could be improved. These were the replacement of the front axle arrangement with traditional springs (giving a different look) and an improved bogie with side bolsters. No 2000 was tested against an unmodified classmate No.2012 which itself had recent general repairs and not yet clocked up 1000 miles since. Both locos were considered to be in first class running order.

On the first test No.2000 ran between 35 and 50 mph before selling back to 35 and it was reported that the engine rode very steadily with no side movement reported of the trailing bogie. Test 2 saw No.2000 run between 45 and 50mph settling back to 45 with the same results. Test 3 was run at 55 and occasionally 60mph and this test was satisfactory enough to try test 4 where she was run over 60mph, reaching a speed of 67 before selling back to 65. It was reported that a slight amount of side oscillation developed and a slight roll but was still considered satisfactory riding.

No.2012 ran 3 tests. Test 1, 35mph occasionally touching 40 and the riding was reported as good with a slight oscillation and roll being perceptible on the footplate. Test 2 saw 45mph with occasional 47 and the riding was considered fairly good but with more oscillation and tendency to roll. The final test saw running at 55mph with occasional 60 and the riding was reported as rough with the oscillation and roll said to be pronounced and the front end having a tendency to develop an up and down surging motion.

Although the results of the modifications to No.2000 were good Stanier decided that the rest of the class were not worth altering and between 1935 and 1938 they were all scrapped with many of the (standard) parts going on to other locos. It was reported that many of the boilers were used on 4f's.

But what if Sanier thought the modification were worth doing to the entire class? They were only 30 years old and many midland locos lasted much longer than that. As the boilers went to other locos they were obviously good so it it such a leap to think that a modified flatiron could indeed make it into BR days with only a slight tweak of history is it?

The Model

Luckily for us South Eastern Finecast do a kit for these loco's and I've had one in the stash pretty much since I did the drawing above.

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Starting with the bogie as supplied on the left and my modified version on the right. It's been modified mechanically to provide basic springing on all 4 wheels and a basic form of sprung side control. As supplied the bogie is designed to be attached to a swinging arm much like the RTR guys tend to do. I didn't really like that idea much if I'm honest.

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The main frames modified with some spare Brassmasters inside motion bits. I considered there was no way you would be able to see working inside motion so just modelled the bits I felt you might see if you looked hard enough!

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The cab Spectacle plate is a particularity weak point of the kit as it bears only a passing resemblance to the real thing, I made a new one from plasticard as can be seen on the right. If anyone wants the drawing for this (which I admit is a best guess on my part) it can be downloaded from https://p4newstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/flatiron-cab-front-copy.pdf
The rebuilt cabs also seemed to have slightly longer roofs than the originals and little bits of Nickel strip were soldered to the corners to replicate this.

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Front view. The kit relied on an upper half of the boiler/smokebox merging with the lower half which is cast as part of the tank front and this forming the front of the smokebox. The end result wasn't all that round so I cut it back and used a 22mm copper ring in its place Buffers are from Lanarkshire Models and lamp irons from Stenson Models

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The rear view. The steps are cast into the rear of the bunker and where a little chunky. Also the top one was too low so these were replaced with some of my mk1 coach end steps. The window frames are from a Mainly Trains spectacle plate etch. Note the larger buffers on this end.

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The top of the tanks are vague as supplied with just casting for the water filler caps and 2 air vents that were related to the water pick up gear. In reality only 2015 had this fitted so they should be left off all other models of the class. This is my educated guess of what should be there but i do think there should be more clutter than this. Photos of this area are rare and so far I've only found 2

Progress will now need to wait until after Scaleforum where i need some more bits.
 

Osgood

Western Thunderer
Only ever seen images of these in Midland red - I wonder if this changed in LMS days?
I must say the plain black early lion/wheel emblem livery really highlights the shape and looks just right.
 

Jim smith-wright

Western Thunderer
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I ended the first part of this project by mentioning I needed some bits from Scaleforum. One of these was the injector which I modified a little from an Alan Gibson one.
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I also needed some firebox wash out plugs. Again Alan Gibson did the honours. It's worth noting that they are not on the same places either side. The cab roof was just a bit of nickel silver rolled to the right radius and a few bits of strip for the rainstrips. The vent was filed up from Evergreen section. While on the subject of the cab the kit includes some bits and an etched floor. I found the handbrake column, if mounted to the cab floor as the kit was designed, gets in the way when trying to mate the body and chassis together so I cut it from the floor and mounted it to the body instead. The kit specifies that the reversing screw is mounted on the left side of the cab but, while hard to see in photos, it seems to be mounted to the right side so thats what I did.

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With everything in place and being happy wit the fit of things the body was given another light undercoat before the missing rivets were added from my dwindling supply of Archers along with some from Railtec. Thankfully the flatirons dot have a lot of visible rivets.

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I don't normally take a painted but pre-weathered picture but this time I made an exception. I mentioned in the last post that because of the carzatti front axle the coupling rods seemed backwards to the norm with the joint ahead of the middle axle not behind it. When No.2000 was modified this remained the case. The kit has the coupling rods the normal way round with the joint behind the middle axle and I've never seen a model flatiron (in either 4mm scale of 7mm scale) that addresses this. I found 52f models do a set that have the right wheelbase with the joint in the right place so I used those instead. One little tip that seems really obvious but I've never seen anyone mention (perhaps its because it is obvious to everyone else?) is that I line up the coupling rod on this side with the orientation of the grub screw on the final drive gear. It makes accessing the grub screw simple should you need to in the future as you know where to stop the wheels rotation.

Below some pictures of the finished loco with my usual caveat of still needing coal and a crew.

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With her baby sister!

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Ozdogfox

Member
Looking at the first four model pictures above, the whole scene just shouts "Camp Hill Banker'!, (and not meant to be rhyming slang!!). An excellent model of a might-have-been, with a convincing backstory.
Cheers from Oz,
Peter C.
 

Jim smith-wright

Western Thunderer
Looking at the first four model pictures above, the whole scene just shouts "Camp Hill Banker'!, (and not meant to be rhyming slang!!). An excellent model of a might-have-been, with a convincing backstory.
Cheers from Oz,
Peter C.
Thanks Peter.

I assume you mean camp hill as in Saltley/St Andrews. I remember reading about them arranging jumbo trains where 2 complete trains plus a banker would work the camp hill line as a single move. Never seem that modelled anywhere. I don't know if other areas did similar.
 

Dave Holt

Western Thunderer
Jim,

From Terry Essery's books, I don't think that was a common occurrence. Even standard length freight trains would need one or two bankers (LMS 3Fs) from Saltley up to St Andrews. Some needed the banker to stay on right up to Camp Hill. A combined train would require even more bankers.
Dave.
 

Ozdogfox

Member
Thanks Peter.

I assume you mean camp hill as in Saltley/St Andrews. I remember reading about them arranging jumbo trains where 2 complete trains plus a banker would work the camp hill line as a single move. Never seem that modelled anywhere. I don't know if other areas did similar.

Correct Jim.
I meant Camp Hill as in the ex-Midland goods shed near the bridge over the A34 Stratford Road. I used to see goods trains being banked from the top deck of the 32 bus on my way into town with my mam. (Mostly ex-Midland 3f tender locos as mentioned above). It was also next to the original King Edward VI Camp Hill School for Boys. I went to this school from 1962, but by then it had moved to Kings Heath. The Avoiding line still ran at the bottom of the playing fields, next to Hazelwell station, and was a source of constant and varied movement through the school day. Happy days, and I always visit Hazelwell when I return to the UK.
The Flatirons as modelled by you would look right at home banking on a succession of trains from St. Andrews, and your layout has that inner-city/ Saltley area look where you have posed the loco.
Cheers from Oz,
Peter C.
 
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