Hairy Bikers and Other Petrol Heads

Eastsidepilot

Western Thunderer
I learnt to drive on my Father's J4 van which you could say was the Austin/Morris version of Ford's Thames, one comical moment I recall was when Dad was driving, pulling up in the yard in a hurry, pulling on the 'walking stick' hand brake too hard, the cable snapped ( which must of been on it's way out ) and the whole thing flew into the back doors breaking one of the windows, I was crying with laughter and it was the first time I'd heard him use the 'F' word :D
 
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Boyblunder

Western Thunderer
Splendid film. Like Allen I immediately thought of the gear change, a mate used to run one for taking his racing motorcycles to meetings and carried a 1/2 Lb. hammer in the glove box. Lying underneath whacking the the jammed linkage at 06:00 on a cold October morning on the way to Cadwell seemed quite fun at the time.

Here is a more recent van, just acquired family camper. Auto 7 speed gearbox so no hammer required. Those of you who know about such things will be thinking those 20" low profile tyres must give an interesting ride in these potholed days and you are right. Style over substance but the kids chose it and love the looks. I just paid for it.
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oldravendale

Western Thunderer
Whilst not the most beautiful vehicle in the world, Col, it's probably one of the best photos! If that was vehicle 21 in the fleet is that because it was the 21st so bought or were there 20 other vehicles hidden behind it?

I had a Maestro estate as my last company car when I worked at Kodak. I had to consider a Mrs and two sprogs and actually, apart from a leaky sunshine roof it was a reasonable car. (That's damned by faint praise!). I then went and bent it badly on the M1 coming back from Nottingham - it looked sort of circular with all the corners knocked off - but as it was less than a year old it was repaired and handed on to some other poor s*d as I almost immediately left the company and went to work elsewhere... :))

Brian
 

Eastsidepilot

Western Thunderer
Whilst not the most beautiful vehicle in the world, Col, it's probably one of the best photos! If that was vehicle 21 in the fleet is that because it was the 21st so bought or were there 20 other vehicles hidden behind it?

I had a Maestro estate as my last company car when I worked at Kodak. I had to consider a Mrs and two sprogs and actually, apart from a leaky sunshine roof it was a reasonable car. (That's damned by faint praise!). I then went and bent it badly on the M1 coming back from Nottingham - it looked sort of circular with all the corners knocked off - but as it was less than a year old it was repaired and handed on to some other poor s*d as I almost immediately left the company and went to work elsewhere... :))

Brian
Brian,
It was the 21st vehicle bought, When my Grandfather was running the firm from the 20's through to the very early 70's they had a small fleet, three 3 tonners, a minibus, and two or three vans, all gradually changed over time.
When I joined as an apprentice in '73 they had a Moggie Minor van and a J4, the trucks were 3 ton Morris WE's and an FG and later a Bedford CF 35cwt. but I kick myself now for not having more noddle then as in the yard was a '49 LC3 Morris Commercial that hadn't run for years, I should have rescued it and restored it but being a bike nut then it didn't interest me, what I'd give for the chance now !:rolleyes: However I do have the Morris Commercial Drivers handbook for it still.

Col.
 
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Eastsidepilot

Western Thunderer
Apparently an enquiry as to “whether the road has been bombed?” seems to get the attention of those who direct repairs.
When they do get off there a***'s and 'repair' anything here they seem to be employing idiots, the drain grids and manholes have all sunk and the tarmac all around it has gone, so what do they do, yep ! fill in with fresh tarmac but don't raise the covers back to road level !
 

alastairq

Western Thunderer
Round where I live, [rural, for the most part] pots are regularly gobbed over by a roving team of LA potfillers. Created largely by huge trakerters with even huger tyres[if not actual tracks?].....and 44 tonnie fartiks serving the over-wealthy farms round hereabouts. especially where there are tight turns.
Being a bouncing-along-the-bottom-of-the-pond dweller and pensioneer, whose newly risen council tax just about wiped out the state pension increase.....I do resent having to subsidise the continued application of billiard-table smooth roads so that those with [by comparison with me] overly surplus income to throw about, can ride around at stupidly high speeds in their [chose blobbymotors of choice here]....on equally stoopidly low profile rubber band tyres with impunity without sustaining tyre, suspension or cracked alloy wheels [an equally stupid fitment in my view]...on roads they are quite lucky to have, in a reasonably weatherproof state!!

If I can manage potholes, etc, without bending suspension, blowing tyres or smashing wheels....why can't they?
OK, so avoidance of damage might mean lowering one's speed and applying a tad more vehicle sympathy than modern drivers are either used to, or expect to have to apply.....
Or junking one's motor in favour of a car that has been designed & built to cope with less than smooth roads...I don't mean SUVs, or pseudo off roaders, or overly large [but in reality, more fragile than their thin tin bodies would have us believe.....I've seen them when they get bent]..almost-pickups.....Perhaps looking to manufacturers 'world' models instead?...Cars sold in less smoothe parts of the globe, for example?

Proper thickness of tyres for a start....

Why should I have to subsidise their whims & fashions? They don't subsidise me to anything like the same extent.....[if at all?]
There...rant over.....

Yup, I do have an element of sympathy for motorcyclists, [even, bikers]...and pushbike riders......{It would be even nicer if they reciprocated...even just a little bit..?}

Biggest creator of potholes [IMHO] is, power steering!

Without power steering. all those vehicle drivers would have to slow earlier, plan further ahead, and find near-static steering almost impossible to achieve, using upper arm muscles only.

As it is, drivers can be reet lazy and spin their steering wheels with impunity...regardless of the drag and damage their [overly wide?] tyres do, to the road surfaces?
 

oldravendale

Western Thunderer
Hmm... I agree with some of your rant but just let me say... my wife wrote a tyre off in a pot hole in her Honda Jazz. Is that one of the elite cars about which you speak? It's also provable that the most damage to road surfaces is by HGVs, not by power steering in cars (which get heavier by the day - particularly EVs).

Brian
 

alastairq

Western Thunderer
I agree on a countrywide scale,waggins do the most damage...But in rural areas large agricultural stuff also does likewise.

When I worked [in a so-called professional capacity] I came to the conclusion that too many modern drivers don't actually 'read the road' in a literal enough sense. [Now I no longer work, I don't really care one way or the other]...
Part of my job description was to teach folk the basic art of driving in an off-road environment. [To get from A to B, not to go out and play].
Part of that training would be to pay closer attention to where one wished to place one's wheels. Essential when driving off road!
But the same skills can be applied when driving on ordinary, poorly maintained roads...in an ordinary vehicle!

As for the Jazz? Still well out of my price range, and if on low profile tyres, then.......is it equipped to do its job?
As for power steering in today's cars?
Get a hot summer's day, static steer your car, and observe how the wheels chew up the hot tarmac?
If tyres weren't so relatively wide, or low profile, then survivability on poor road surfaces will increase...and the need for powered steering decreases.
[Tyres of today also seem to be the greatest source of roads pollution, surprisingly.]
 

oldravendale

Western Thunderer
The Jazz was standard - what made you even consider that it would have had low profile tyres? On the other hand my Jag XK...
 

Max M

Western Thunderer
As for power steering in today's cars?
Get a hot summer's day, static steer your car, and observe how the wheels chew up the hot tarmac?
If tyres weren't so relatively wide, or low profile, then survivability on poor road surfaces will increase...and the need for powered steering decreases.
[Tyres of today also seem to be the greatest source of roads pollution, surprisingly.]
It isn't as simple as one is better than the other. Wide or narrow, both have advantages and disadvantages so you can't say that one is better than the other. Like many things in life it is a compromise.
Manufacturers (I assume) will look at the characteristics of the vehicle and it's intended use and user and select a tyre that best satisfies those criteria.
As a critical part of the vehicle there is no benefit in specifying something that will adversely compromise safety nor fit something that will unnecessarily add additional costs to production.

Anyone who remembers the 'good old days' pre power steering may recall how much 'fun' we had parking vehicles and manoeuvring in tight spaces. It wasn't and I was young and reasonably fit at the time.
Vehicle are now much bigger and heavier and anyone who has tries to turn the steering wheel of a modern day car with the engine off at low speeds will know how difficult this is. We have moved on from the Ford Escort, Vauxhall Viva et al and should accept that technology has to evolve and adapt to the current needs of the vehicles and user.

As for avoiding pot holes, whilst some driving gods may have this ability I suspect the majority of us don't have that skill.
Most times we don't have a choice as we are concentrating on other vehicles, our vision is obscured due to other road users or weather and dark conditions.
I don't think anyone chooses to hit a pothole any more than we choose to have an accident.
 

alastairq

Western Thunderer
The point I am making is about ''horses for courses!''

I understand the differences in tyre performance, and the majority of the intended market, and their skills.

There's no such thing as a ''driving god''......contrary to what a large percentage of drivers out there, actually think.

Every road user is capable [given the will] of exercising the simple , basic observational skills involved with minimising the risk of an adverse impact.
Nothing special about it at all.

It just seems to be a case of folk wanting to do what they want to do, and everybody else has to pay out to enable those folk to do so.

Folk won't change their ideas as long as there's someone else to blame.

Anyway, if I can avoid sustaining damage due to the conditions of the roads I drive on...why cannot anyone else?

After all, there's nowt special about me as a driver, as I well acknowledge.

All I try to do is exercise adequate vehicle sympathy.....Rather than pounding on, then claiming 'snotmifault' when some sort of damage is sustained.

But, all in all, , it's all rather tongue-in cheek, as I am long since rid of the working life, and, as I said, no longer really care that much....but I enjoy driving , without exception....I certainly put more effort into it than I do with my cooking.
 

adrian

Flying Squad
Sad times this morning with the news that Dave Myers has lost his battle with Cancer.

He and Si as The Hairy Bikers did much good to promote two wheeled travel here and abroad and together they combined two great loves of mine, food and biking.

God bless you, Dave.
Current traffic on the M6 - it's been like this for the last 3-4hrs - Kendal exit for Barrow


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and no sign of abating

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HGVs in the outside lane!
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Eastsidepilot

Western Thunderer
Current traffic on the M6 - it's been like this for the last 3-4hrs - Kendal exit for Barrow


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and no sign of abating

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HGVs in the outside lane!
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Bloody excellent turnout, makes a change to see bikes instead of tin boxes blocking the roads ! :D Took me back to the 70's when it seemed everyone had an iron horse, my local mob then would often form up with 30 to 40 riders and travel to rallies and race meets, we always got the 'once over' by the traffic cops.
Col.
 
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