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Kingswear for Dartmouth
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Alan
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I agree with Stephen. According to a very comprehensive article in Great Western Railway Journal (No.25 Winter 1998) Kingswear had only one island platform as to other bits that he implies I have not studied the model track plan to the one on the GWRJ and the multitude of photos in said article. However it a brilliant evocation of the area.
Stephen Freeman
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Depending on the era, I think the track plan is wrong in other respects, for instance, photos show a single slip, not a scissors, and I have no evidence for a second Signal Box at least in the period modelled, then there is the railbuilt signal and some questions about some of the others. I could supply photos but I don't have the copyright to do so. It's a brilliant model in all other respects though.
Stephen Freeman
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The map just shows the one platform, care should be exercised when using old maps especially on this location. The layout has been chopped and changed so many times over the years. The Engine shed was an early casualty and the platform was extended, signalling has been altered as well, best to use lots of photos of the era you want to model.
Take a look at the layout's website and you'll see that it is based not just on old maps and photos but on meticulous research, including original blueprints of the track layout modifications.
RESEARCH & PHOTOS
RESEARCH & PHOTOS
Stephen Freeman
Western Thunderer
I am afraid the camera doesn't lie.
michael mott
Western Thunderer
Aside from the deviation from reality apparently, In my view the layout and modelwork show a level of artistry and atmosphere that evokes the golden age of railways and holiday towns. Superb renditions of minor details that are some of the best I have seen.
One is often subjected to the comparisons of reality, which in all fairness to the model builders are actually impossible to replicate in miniature because we cannot scale physics.
What a superb assembly of modelwork this layout represents, it felt like a visit back to the ramblings around the country when I was a boy.
Michael
One is often subjected to the comparisons of reality, which in all fairness to the model builders are actually impossible to replicate in miniature because we cannot scale physics.
What a superb assembly of modelwork this layout represents, it felt like a visit back to the ramblings around the country when I was a boy.
Michael
I very much like the colour choices - what was the palette for the platforms please?
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Podartist79
Western Thunderer
Morning Stephen,
You are quite correct and great observation re the track work - or rather extra track work.
I doubt it has been previously mentioned in this thread(?) but the initial concept and track plan of the layout was devised by it’s original owner, Michael Casey. The layout then was part of a larger scheme that included Bodmin General(?) Station. He added the extra trackwork and further platform to facilitate through running between the two layouts.
The new and current owner decided at the time of purchase to keep the unprototypical ‘extra’ piece of the layout for a few reasons I shan’t go into here, but that is why the track layout is as it is on the model.
In truth, the layout plan, regardless of the extra track work and platform is not totally prototypical, but it’s fairly close and Paul W, it’s owner is happy with the model compromises.
From PB’s (Paul Bambrick’s) point of view, his life would’ve been made far easier had the ‘extra’ been done away with before he and I became involved in the scenery work.
Hope this enlightens you as to what’s gone on.
Neil.
Podartist79
Western Thunderer
Another much needed update on Kingswear for WT. The layout is edging ever closer to completion and these latest shots I hope give a flavour of where we’ve got to this far.
First up a weathered Artitec collier - a first for me weathering a boat; first of many no doubt! It has not been sited yet so stands proud of the waterline in the photos. The wonderful quayside cranes built by the master Gordon Gravett.
Thereafter shots of the station and quayside followed by the Britannia Crossing panorama.
Most photos here taken by Nige Smith, a few by me
First up a weathered Artitec collier - a first for me weathering a boat; first of many no doubt! It has not been sited yet so stands proud of the waterline in the photos. The wonderful quayside cranes built by the master Gordon Gravett.
Thereafter shots of the station and quayside followed by the Britannia Crossing panorama.
Most photos here taken by Nige Smith, a few by me
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Podartist79
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Thank you both.
Well spotted re the Star loco Roger!
It remains OO gauge and the layout is P4. It’s just been posed for now and is awaiting conversion coupled with detailing, painting and weathering…
Neil.
Well spotted re the Star loco Roger!
It remains OO gauge and the layout is P4. It’s just been posed for now and is awaiting conversion coupled with detailing, painting and weathering…
Neil.
Wonderful expertise here. Great skills in evidence.
I as a solitary modeller of an embryonic E M layout of Kingswear in my garage (just over 12 months in making) wonder if I could purchase copies of the drawings of various buildings; signal box, goods shed, main station building and roof. I cant find them anywhere commercially.
I have converted Hornby Castle, Hall and King locos and a Bachmann Hall to EM quite successfully . With a few (too early) etched kits from Mr Finney and toplight coaches from David Geen and converted Hornby bow ended stock I can run a basic service but the buildings... well scratch is the word!
So any help would be appreciated.
I as a solitary modeller of an embryonic E M layout of Kingswear in my garage (just over 12 months in making) wonder if I could purchase copies of the drawings of various buildings; signal box, goods shed, main station building and roof. I cant find them anywhere commercially.
I have converted Hornby Castle, Hall and King locos and a Bachmann Hall to EM quite successfully . With a few (too early) etched kits from Mr Finney and toplight coaches from David Geen and converted Hornby bow ended stock I can run a basic service but the buildings... well scratch is the word!
So any help would be appreciated.
PJBambrick
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Hi Angus, sorry for reply delay. We didn't have any drawings either I'm afraid, but luckily, most of the structures at Kingswear remain. We plotted them into place from google street view and an OS period map from Nat lib of Scotland. I would suggest the same for yours, just scale the OS map to 4mm, cut the building footprints out, and project them up from reference photos. The hotel is the most fiddly to do because it sits on a very uneven rock outcrop, with a steep ramp behind it for the ferry approach. I did the background facades & hotel in temporary card mockups just to get going. There's some info at ..........
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View map: Ordnance Survey, Devonshire CXXVIII.SW (includes: Brixham; Kingswear.) - Ordnance Survey Six-inch England and Wales, 1842-1952
My Site
View map: Ordnance Survey, Devonshire CXXVIII.SW (includes: Brixham; Kingswear.) - Ordnance Survey Six-inch England and Wales, 1842-1952
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Nigel Smith
Western Thunderer
The last major construction for this project is the long footbridge at the end of the station. Here’s progress so far, it does help to have the original plan to work with.
Phil O
Western Thunderer
Way back in the 80's there was an N gauge layout on the circuit down here in Devon, The buildings were superb and built by an architect that lived over that way. The only criticism that I had of the layout was the generic Farish coaches, which tended to spoil it for me.