7mm Mickoo's Commercial Workbench

Focalplane

Western Thunderer
Superb build of one of my favourites. In 1958 I was a frequent visitor to Tamworth where quite a large group of spotters congregated in what is now a trailer park adjacent to the Trent Valley Line and the Midland high level bridge. Halcyon days only marred by early diesel electrics. 46133 would have been elsewhere but 46132 was seen and even used for one of Philip Hawkins’ paintings. I have a copy in my railway room:

Warwickshire Railways Art - Philip Hawkins FGRA - Ex-LMS Royal Scot 4-6-0 No. 46132 ' The King's Regiment Liverpool ' thundering through Low Level station with the down 'Red Rose'

The perfect colour combination!
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
A little sneak preview of what's coming back across the bench in the next few weeks, well worth the 450 mile, eight hour round trip.

Finney7 Duke and MOK King Arthur, both superbly painted by Warren Heywood :thumbs:. I'd forgotten how many parts the both of them were split down into, lots of bright work to piece back together now.

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mickoo

Western Thunderer
Royal Scot update, pretty much all done now, speedo and cable will be added after paint, balance weights Mk II will be fitted once printed, there was a bit of a gap around the rim so adjusted and they're now in the queue to be re printed.

The next step will be the strip down, ultra sonic cleaning, bagging up ready for paint and handing over to Warren shortly.

Next on the bench, two Bulleid Light Pacifics and the Garratt as a back up palette cleanser.

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mickoo

Western Thunderer
Tartan tender, very appropriate…
Yeah, it's just had a waft with the big fiber brush. What is interesting is that the tender hasn't been touched for five weeks and barely tarnished at all, yet the engine I swear grew darker by the minute every time I washed it.

You'd argue it's where you touch it, but it's tarnished in creases and cranny's under the boiler etc that are impossible to touch.

It's mechanically clean and smooth just looks a witch with all that tarnish.
 

LarryG

Western Thunderer
So long as its squarely built and performs well, that's all that counts really. From here on it falls to the painter and I don't think tarnish will bother them. Polished brass would have me heading for the hot water and degreaser just to be safe. I have memories of stripping the black off locos from Taiwan and hoping they weren't gold or silver plated!
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
So long as its squarely built and performs well, that's all that counts really. From here on it falls to the painter and I don't think tarnish will bother them. Polished brass would have me heading for the hot water and degreaser just to be safe. I have memories of stripping the black off locos from Taiwan and hoping they weren't gold or silver plated!
Too true, Warren actually prefers brass tarnished as the primer adheres better, even after my ultra sonic clean he still gives them a quick rinse with shiny sinks, bar keepers friend, whatever etc before the primer coat goes on.

The Tarnish isn't a build or paint issue at all, just a publicity nightmare :eek: tarnished models are not good adverts for your skills.

Oddly enough, the previous David Andrews A1 tarnished badly and very quickly during the build but other brass models take ages to tarnish, you usually get six or eight weeks before cleaning becomes too much of a chore but the Royal Scot and A1 were going dark in days.
 

Focalplane

Western Thunderer
I hope this comment isn’t too far off topic, but knowing your love of American modelling. . . .

There used to be a shop in Bellaire, Texas, which had a huge display of brass HO locos for sale. Most were either of Japanese, some Korean, manufacture. Except some of the very early models, they were all exquisite in detail and remained unpainted. Some were badly tarnished and I will admit to thinking their value for marketing must have been lower than one in more pristine condition. Yet, as you say, tarnishing is not a bad thing if the model is to be painted. I used to check the models for sale at brasstrains.com and again, most were unpainted. Today, the majority for sale are painted, quite a change over 30 years.

Paul
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
I hope this comment isn’t too far off topic, but knowing your love of American modelling. . . .

There used to be a shop in Bellaire, Texas, which had a huge display of brass HO locos for sale. Most were either of Japanese, some Korean, manufacture. Except some of the very early models, they were all exquisite in detail and remained unpainted. Some were badly tarnished and I will admit to thinking their value for marketing must have been lower than one in more pristine condition. Yet, as you say, tarnishing is not a bad thing if the model is to be painted. I used to check the models for sale at brasstrains.com and again, most were unpainted. Today, the majority for sale are painted, quite a change over 30 years.

Paul
Not at all, there's two reasons imported brass was not painted back in the day, well unpainted was one of the two reasons.

The reason was tax, importing complete models levies tax in the US, complete comprised of fully assembled locos or painted locos, not sure if it was part of both. Therefore all early brass arrived in several pieces, typically body with all the detail added and running chassis, the tender was separate from the trucks, owners simply had to bolt the few parts together and then get them painted. A few nick knack pieces were also thrown in to meet the criteria, I have read somewhere the actual number of pieces it had to be to avoid the tax levy but cannot recall that amount.

Poorly tarnished brass imports are usually not tarnished brass but the protective lacquer which has begin to turn brown, usually from UV exposure over extended periods. My cab forward lacquer is very poor but the two 4-12-2 I have are much better condition.

It wasn't until much later that brass imports were supplied factory painted, they may well still have been in several pieces to circumnavigate taxes but on the whole, the vast majority of early imports were supplied in bare brass.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
I see that you now have invisible gear wheels along with the invisible solder that you use.

Nice looking build,

OzzyO.
It's the way forward :))

Push by hand, make chuff chuff sounds, much easier than faffing around with pick ups, motors and DCC.

I'll stick the motor back in this afternoon and post a couple of photos as they might be of interest for those that like internal gubbins information.

As modelers we tend to only focus on show casing the exterior, seeing how bits are done internally can often be helpful to others.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Nickel Silver all the time! :) Nice build Mick, looking forward to the two Bulleid builds.
Couldn't agree more, however you just can's swap brass for NS, especially if it needs forming, you need to drop a few gauges to make it easier to form due to NS inherent extra strength, typically boilers go from 0.45 mm to 0.20 - 0.25 mm.

I'm looking forward to the Bulleids, it's a good kit, there are a few bear traps to be wary of. There are some stays that support the pipe runs across the top of the drivers, these are quite fragile and tend to get knocked and bent easily, the trick is to leave them until the very end or add a strengthening part. front brake hanger, well all the brakes really have very close tolerances, especially the double pull rods, you're limited to how far apart you can model them due to the cast slack adjuster, that really limits your side play.

The Delta truck pivot is a little high, you need to add a washer in there to push the front end down or else it pulls up the front end which tips the truck backward and the lower rear end then clouts the injector pipework.

The cab window frames are very thin where you form the cant rail curve and the part over the windows tends to bow out, on top of that the frames are part of the side sheet which is curved and the frames need to be flat. The trick is to form the cab, then cut out the bowed window frames, using one of the spare cab sides to remove the flat frames from them and insert into your curved side sheets, it's only a little thing but it does make a difference.

The brass side window side frames are very fragile and prone to bending and warping as there are half etched areas and bend lines etc, I may replace them with NS window frames as a upgrade, doing two kits at once means I can fill the minimum sheet size with bits like this and make it cost effective.

The cab rear wall has two small quarter light windows, there's an external recess for the glazing and then you stick an overlay frame on top of that, it's all half etched and very fragile so I'll etch up some new NS rear sheets with the window frame beading as part of the main sheet, there will be a recess on the inside for the glazing.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Just an update on the ash pan and motor gearbox fitting, mainly as visuals to help others see how it all fits and if it'll work for their models.

The driven axle is fixed, I've found this gives the best performance running wise, at least one fixed point in the motion seems to help. This means the motor mount can be fairly simple and robust, no need for convoluted torsion bars or fixing plates.

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In this case a simple 1.6 mm rod under the motor across the frames stops the motor rotating downward, to the rear is a simple U shaped bar of the same diameter soldered between the frames. Because the axle is fixed you can place these with accuracy and know every time the motor goes back in it'll be a perfect fit. The bars are not a hard tight fit, there is a mere smidge of movement back and forth, mainly to allow free movement of side play which in my case is very minimal due to the clients 7' radius curves.

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From below there is a large notch in the rear face to encompass the gearbox sides and a smaller notch to clear the final gear, I've over cooked it to be on the safe side for the second print fitted here, first print was mainly for overall fit inside the frames and clearance between the springs and hangers etc.

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I've now got one good ash pan in the bag and can upgrade at leisure, I don't need to but the OCD in me screams to close up the gaps, I may pull the lower face of the small slot a little closer to the gear wheel, about 1.5 mm should do it. At the same time I might open it by 0.3 mm each side, at the moment there's no impact between the two with the side play I have but it's very close.

Regarding the larger slot, that lower edge can be pulled up as well, certainly as far as the small step seen on the far side and then maybe a further 1-2 mm nearer the gearbox sides.

Doing that makes it bespoke to the MSC set up and may preclude other combos, as it stands it might just suit a ABC VML2 set up if the motor is orientated the same way, if it's flipped to the motor is vertical then the small slot for the gear will need moving to the other side. The biggest pitfall with the VML2 is the massive final drive gear, almost 150% bigger than the diameter of the MSC one and the ABC Mini I'm now preferring to use for that very reason.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Moving on to the next projects and it's time to begin getting all the bits together, as intimated earlier these are not out of the box builds and I also want one for myself long term and there are some areas I am personally not happy with in the kit.

Let me say that again, some areas I am 'personally' not happy with....before the hate mail and threats of litigation come rolling in. I'm not doing these works because I have to, I'm doing them because I want to and the Finney7 kit is a bloody good place to begin.

The cab will get a few tweaks to some parts, mainly to make construction easier for my way of building which leaves the main area for me to modify, the resin casing. It's good, very good in fact but it has it's points of frustration, nothing to do with the casting or detail but due to the material used.

The germ of the idea goes way back to 2017, over five years ago and only now am I getting an opportunity to flex the bigger cutting and hacking tools.

Way back then I did a test 1:32 casing and cab, the logic was that sheet metal is a better medium for the big slab sides and resin for the curved roof sections.

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The metal sides have a few advantages over the resin casing, the lower edge is razor thin which means the pipework that runs up from below the cab is nice and close to the surface, not set back by the thickness of the resin casing, you can thin it but it's a chore.

The second advantage is fixing the deflectors, it's much easier to solder them direct to the metal casing than butt solder tabs behind then to poke through the resin. It's also easier to add the brass L gutter and deflector top edge securing ladder

Third, those small front winglet sections can be secured direct to the main shell to give a good flush joint, in fact I'll may evolve the 1:32 design and add them to the main skin for an even better joint.

Fourth you can add sliding sand filler doors to the side casing as well as Golden Arrow clips/fixings much easier, the etch will already come with the front one filled in for BR engines, something that is a right faff on the resin casing, filling and blending that opening is the source of many sleepiness nights

Fifth, the metal front allows you to not have to worry about blending in the oil lines with the cast ones, on the two previous builds I cleaned them off and ran copper right through but sticking the brass clips to the resin is a mare and they keep popping off. The metal front also now allows a smoke box door opening with thin edge around the rim, into which you can better see the 3D printed smoke box module.

Mk II is a more detailed version seen previous here and elsewhere, the Mk II stemmed from a request to develop the module further for a client that does already have an open front model, so we're killing two birds with one stone here.

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Essentially the Mk II is a test shot to see if it is even practical to print a super heater header and tube plate, turns out it is, I've not counted the small tubes but it's pretty close I think.

Mk II has evolved into Mk III as I've spent most of the day learning how to loft pipes in three dimensions as opposed to one flat plane previously, therefore I now have both the plain steam pipes to the header and the two corrugated ones as well.

I wasn't sure how best to add the super heater tubes, 0.4 mm wire is certainly an option but getting them all bent the same and uniform might not be so easy, nor drilling the header to accept them. It should be perfectly possible to print them, they'd be very fragile but it's a zero impact area; once you've got the supports off and fitted them they should be fine. I'll evolve that aspect once the Mk III goes in the printer after a couple of Royal Scot ash pans for customers finish.

According to the 3D slicer, Mk III and pipework should take five hours so maybe another mini update later ;)
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
I think that's what we call done.

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A bit battered as I'd forgotten the spigots to secure the corrugated steam pipes (since revised and ready for printing) which had to be drilled and pinned, but it'll do as a test of concept model, I suspect the rear wall will need some revisions to fit inside the new etched casing anyway.
 
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