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Jim S-W

Jim S-W

Western Thunderer
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iploffy

iploffy

OC Blue Brigade
Come on Jim when you gonna stitch the knitting up so the superior driving force can get to the loco's so they don't have to be dragged around
 
Jim S-W

Jim S-W

Western Thunderer
Would love to but the track has to be tested and reliable first - I dont see any Overhead going in until the late 2020's or early 2030s TBH

Cheers

Jim
 
iploffy

iploffy

OC Blue Brigade
Jordan there are certain words like Peak, Acceleration and movement that should never be used in the same sentence tut,tut.
 
marsa69

marsa69

Western Thunderer
I saw a Peak moving at speed once. Right before it ploughed into a nuclear flask :p All Jim needs now is a nuclear flask :D
 
Jim S-W

Jim S-W

Western Thunderer
You say that but anyone who stood on the old platform at Blackwell will tell you that nothing would storm over the top of the Lickey like a peak on a summer Saturday.

Cheers

Jim
 
Pennine MC

Pennine MC

Western Thunderer
iploffy said:
Jordan there are certain words like Peak, Acceleration and movement that should never be used in the same sentence tut,tut.
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I dont know what evidence there is for anyone saying that, but my understanding is that crews on the Midland main line vastly preferred the performance of a 45 (and probably even a 46) to a 47 . There also has to be some significance in that 50 of them were converted to ETH from 1973; if they'd been that unsuitable for Class 1 work they'd have left them alone and converted another 50 47s.
 
iploffy

iploffy

OC Blue Brigade
Pennine MC said:
I dont know what evidence there is for anyone saying that, but my understanding is that crews on the Midland main line vastly preferred the performance of a 45 (and probably even a 46) to a 47 . There also has to be some significance in that 50 of them were converted to ETH from 1973; if they'd been that unsuitable for Class 1 work they'd have left them alone and converted another 50 47s.
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the 45 were very reliable engines slow but reliable hence the amount of time allowed for acceleration , one of the reasons 50 were converted was that there were not enough 47's that could be released as they were taking on roles ranging from WR outings of class 52's and the general withdrawal of unsuitable and unreliable types of traction.
 
mickoo

mickoo

Western Thunderer
iploffy said:
the 45 were very reliable engines slow but reliable hence the amount of time allowed for acceleration , one of the reasons 50 were converted was that there were not enough 47's that could be released as they were taking on roles ranging from WR outings of class 52's and the general withdrawal of unsuitable and unreliable types of traction.
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Mate of mine used to footplate em in the mid 60's, based at Cricklewood, swore by them but always said they took an age to get up to speed...and stop LOL but they had so much momentum when running they hardly noticed the hills, cept Sharnbrook which slowed most things down.
 
Pennine MC

Pennine MC

Western Thunderer
iploffy said:
...one of the reasons 50 were converted was that there were not enough 47's that could be released as they were taking on roles ranging from WR outings of class 52's and the general withdrawal of unsuitable and unreliable types of traction.
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Plausible enough when considered in isolation (if a tad lacking in detail - and on this forum in particular, let's not get into the question of whether the Warships were 'unsuitable and unreliable':confused: ), but only serves to highlight the rapidly changing thinking of BR authorities at the time. The class 45 ETH programme was still proceeding (in fact was barely started) when a further batch of 47 conversions were announced - 47530 to 47555, IIRC.

mickoo said:
Mate of mine used to footplate em in the mid 60's, based at Cricklewood, swore by them but always said they took an age to get up to speed...and stop LOL but they had so much momentum when running they hardly noticed the hills, cept Sharnbrook which slowed most things down.
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I think that's the nub of it Mick, once they were rolling on a typical MML job; they were well suited to the work in hand.
 
iploffy

iploffy

OC Blue Brigade
Pennine MC said:
Plausible enough when considered in isolation (if a tad lacking in detail - and on this forum in particular, let's not get into the question of whether the Warships were 'unsuitable and unreliable':confused: ), but only serves to highlight the rapidly changing thinking of BR authorities at the time. The class 45 ETH programme was still proceeding (in fact was barely started) when a further batch of 47 conversions were announced - 47530 to 47555, IIRC.
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You Know I think you would argue if I had said the sky is blue, you would have added that the clouds are white except the storm ones which are black!!!!!!!!. Who mentioned Warships being unsuitable and unreliable , unsuitable being Class 14,15,17,18,23,28, ETC I am not going to fill in detail that is WELL documented in history i.e. the introduction of electrically heated coaches and the like all requiring a supply, SO of course there is more of a need to convert more 47's to supplement what had already taken place. I could also add the class 46's to that list but do I really need too. PLEASE STOP being so pedantic and argumentative enjoy your life and stop trying to wind me up. I would further more ask you if you don't have anything constructive to say PLEASE don't say it
 
Pennine MC

Pennine MC

Western Thunderer
iploffy said:
PLEASE STOP being so pedantic and argumentative enjoy your life and stop trying to wind me up. I would further more ask you if you don't have anything constructive to say PLEASE don't say it
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Ian

It's not personal, if you read my post carefully, you'll see as much as anything I'm placing a question mark over the thinking of BR at the time. There are no right and wrong answers, we're just coming at the same subject from different angles. I thought this was a lively if robust debate between two knowledgeable pundits; my mistake, obviously.

Apologies to Jim for disrupting his thread.
 
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