Richards Workbench, Heljan 31s and JLTRT Class 40s

[OzzyO]

If the Skytrex class 40 windows are the same size as the JLTRT windows why not send a message to Laurie and ask if you can buy a set from him.

OzzyO.

 

[richard carr]

I was in Chicago for a couple days last week so got the chance to work on a Catfish wagon, it's now largely finished a few bits to add and to paint it.





It needs a bit of cleaning up too and I did skip some of the brake detail that isn't visible from until you turn it over.

They are a joy to build, everything fits together perfectly.

I also managed time to see a few trains, this is the California Zephyr speeding through Downers Grove

 

[richard carr]

Work has been progressing and 40138 has been operational this week.

One of the last pieces of the jigsaw puzzle are the couplings. Looking at photos both locos have the type with the bob weight, JLTRT supply one that has a tommy bar which may be correct for an early one but isn't for the early 80's so I have used the CPL version. However the lower link supplied with this appears to be too short so I taken the JLTRT link as it is much longer as you can see in the photo below.



I managed to make both sets this afternoon it took about 3 hours and I managed to get the bob weights to work.

So here is 40164



It still needs wiring up and a few details items adding. I have also discovered that 40164 was one of those 40's that lost their cab roof ventilators, so those are going to have to come off, but it would have been a lot easier before painting !
40164 also had this pipe on each side which looks to me as if it might be trying to use the water tank asa fuel tank, does anyone know what this was ?



And here is 40138, it just needs a bit of detail painting in and weathering and the couplings fitted. Note teh lack of water tank.

 

[farnetti]

Work has been progressing and 40138 has been operational this week.

One of the last pieces of the jigsaw puzzle are the couplings. Looking at photos both locos have the type with the bob weight, JLTRT supply one that has a tommy bar which may be correct for an early one but isn't for the early 80's so I have used the CPL version. However the lower link supplied with this appears to be too short so I taken the JLTRT link as it is much longer as you can see in the photo below.

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I managed to make both sets this afternoon it took about 3 hours and I managed to get the bob weights to work.

So here is 40164

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It still needs wiring up and a few details items adding. I have also discovered that 40164 was one of those 40's that lost their cab roof ventilators, so those are going to have to come off, but it would have been a lot easier before painting !
40164 also had this pipe on each side which looks to me as if it might be trying to use the water tank asa fuel tank, does anyone know what this was ?

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And here is 40138, it just needs a bit of detail painting in and weathering and the couplings fitted. Note teh lack of water tank.

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Richard, I am looking forward to seeing this weathered. Also I see in the background a 31 in early green, what's that all about? I thought you are a blue sort of guy.

Ken

 

[Brian Daniels]

40163-40168 did not have the cab vents, and 40076 No 1 end went missing at some time. The pipe hanging down is a Scottish thing. It was a drain pipe from the floors above and it was supposed to be drained from the lowest point on a shed. They are looking good by the way.

 

[mickoo]

Richard, that pipe is an oil drainage pipe, normally tucked up under the side skirt, but Haymarket did a local mod to their locos and brought it outside for ease of maintenance and drainage.

Close up of the pipework and fittings for the oil drain.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/blue-diesels/4212254134/sizes/o/

The Flickr class 40 discussion group also believe Haymarket fitted wooden cab shields behind the drivers and second mans seat to their locos, much like a Deltic has.

https://www.flickr.com/groups/cfas/discuss/72157628541704083/

Of which 164 has them
Class 85: 85013 Carlisle by emdjt42, on Flickr

And you can also see them in this cab lit shot at Kings X

https://www.flickr.com/photos/cookephotography/2289319645

Lots of tasty Class 40 gen on these pages, be warned, some of it is real back of the closet anorak stuff mind LOL.

One other small point missed by many are the bonnet tops, some locos, quite a lot actually, have the bonnet top painted in a lighter blue/ green anti slip colour, being a rough surface it attracts the dirt very quickly, but it can be seen on the edges quite often as a feathering effect, that trait to be fair often tends to be LMR based locos and not ER or Scottish.

Hope that helps

 

[richard carr]

Ken

I like both blue is my preference but green diesels are good too.

Richard

 

[lancer1027]

Very nice looking 40's there Richard

Rob

 

[Ressaldar]

Very tasty Richard.

cheers

Mike

 

[richard carr]

Mick

Thats really useful I wish you had told me about it when I started building these !

Richard

 

[mickoo]

Mick

Thats really useful I wish you had told me about it when I started building these !

Richard

Sorry sort of assumed you'd know these things and to be honest a little worried about posting it up, in the past people have reacted negatively to information I've given. So recently I feel I'm walking on egg shells when I post it up or if in any doubt about the recipients reaction, simply don't do it. It wasn't until you posted about the external drain that triggered ze little grey cells about Haymarket locos.

I do also recognise that I can go a little over the top with the research side of things. I personally find that side of things as interesting as the doing side of things, probably more so, which is why my doing is much less than my current research projects LOL, though I am trying to balance that by getting some of these projects finished

I also like class 40's...a lot...which reminds me, I must start my JLTRT one soon.

 

[richard carr]

Mick

I know most of the sites for 40's but thats a new one and I couldn't find anything about those pipes.
I don't think you go over the top at all, its good to know the detail even if I don't incorporate it into my models,
at least I know what is missing.

You must indeed start your 40 !

Richard

 

[mickoo]

You must indeed start your 40 !

Richard

I do, but I must remain disciplined and finish some other stuff first and may even run a MkII etch off for the bogies, although the MkI is fine for the first model I think. I also need to start a test track/scenic plank/layout very soon as well

 

[Scale7JB]

Mick, there's a lovely S7 layout for sale on here.. Too expensive for me sadly otherwise I'd snap it up..

Think it's called Farrington in the small ads section of the forum..

JB.

 

[richard carr]

It might be nice but I can't see anyone paying the £1,500 he is asking for what is a half finished layout.

Richard

 

[OzzyO]

Not so sure about the anti slip coating on the bonnet tops I'd always assumed that the dark colour to the bonnet tops was due to the cleaning rollers not reaching the middle.




IIRC the middle cab window on class 40s was always very mucky. The drivers and second mans windows could be reached for cleaning by using long brushes from the ground.

A question or two as well if I may, how would you get on the top of the bonnet, and why would you want to when you could just open the top nose doors.

OzzyO.

 

[Steph Dale]

Paul,
Don't you have to be on top of the bonnet to open the bonnet doors?
Steph

 

[mickoo]

Paul,
Don't you have to be on top of the bonnet to open the bonnet doors?
Steph

Nope, the bonnet top doors are opened from inside.

 

[mickoo]

Not so sure about the anti slip coating on the bonnet tops I'd always assumed that the dark colour to the bonnet tops was due to the cleaning rollers not reaching the middle.

OzzyO.

Possibly, but many class 40 exhibit a different paint colour on their bonnet tops. Your top photos clearly shows the different colour underneath the dirt, once you know what to look for it's easier to spot. General assumption is that it's a non slip paint that's been applied and thus being more 'gritty' retains the dirt easier, it could also just be a matt anti glare finish, but the paint is certainly a different colour, ranging from light blue to grey. There doesn't seem to be a definitive answer to what it is, just that it is there, but given that it lines up with the windscreen edges there's a higher chance it's matt anti glare paint.....but then you'd think they'd opt for a darker colour like UP does It's also present on some Class 37's as well but not Deltics or Peaks as far as I've found.

Here's one of the best examples that show the different texture and colour
40092 on display at Southport for the Steamport open day on 12th September 1982 by Jjm2009, on Flickr

Another
40169 Carlisle 10/09/83 by Rudolf_Diesel_V16, on Flickr

Another
OPC Postcard by fgrsimon, on Flickr

Another
40074 Healey Mills by SilsonRoadrunner, on Flickr

Another
40.010 Bolton 16th July 76. by 54A South dock, on Flickr

And so on, it's not just a weather effect or random, it's an applied paint texture with definitive edges/masking, it's also not uniform application, so you need to check your respective loco to see if it had this effect on the bonnet top.

Back to your second photo, I'm more interested in the fittings either side of the rails, never seen that before?

 

[OzzyO]

Now I'm seeing what your saying. I don't think that its an anti slip coating as there is NO official way on to the bonnet top. But I do agree that it could be a (grey) matt anti glare paint.
Just to show it was not just on blue 40s, one in green at ?????


Also one other thing, out of the four 40s with nose end doors (in this and the last post) three out of four have 4 clips on the doors.

OzzyO.