7mm The Derby Line: Basford North

simond

Western Thunderer
Thanks Tony, that’s easier. The problem I faced (and may face myself if the meisterstuck ever comes to fruition) is the hand over of a particular loco/train from one controller to another, but you’ve avoided that issue.
 

LarryG

Western Thunderer
I envy your goods yard ground cover. Is it real ash?

I had access to real ash at one time and have really missed using it ever since.
 

dibateg

Western Thunderer
Larry - it's Tremendous ground powder with black powder paint mixed.

Getting 8 sets of point rodding laid was always going to be a bit of a challenge. The original plan was to thread the 1mm rod through sets of 8 way C&L brass rodding stools. The whole process turned out to be too impractical. So, some subtefuge was called for.. The rods are soldered one at a time using a temporary shim for spacing on to hollow 2.4mm brass bar. That and a brass strip are pinned to the baseboard with some brass rod that acts as a mounting spike. Then a half stool is soldered on at the end, each one just needs a strip over the top.
Just another 4 feet to complete.... but it does add that extra element to the infrastructure.
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I'm tutoring the track making session at the Missenden Abbey modelling weekend - October 4th - there still might be spaces available.
 
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dibateg

Western Thunderer
I've put the facing one in...

The rodding run growns, nearly half way now and I have added various compensators. Kneeling on the layout for a couple of hours is not at the fun end of railway modelling... but I'm pleased with the look. I'm fabricating as much as I can on the workbench.
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Pencarrow

Western Thunderer
Are you using DCC?

If so, does one operator hand over a train to another?

is the “number” box the loco number to give the operator the heads up for what they need to drive?

this has always been a bugbear for shed-to-shed garden railways like my pal, John’s. How to ”hand over”.

would love to know more.
cheers
Simon

We had exactly that issue on Black Country Blues. A long, end to end layout where each up and down line operator drove the train towards themselves out of the far fiddle. Obviously you can't see the number of the loco 30' away which made entering it in to the DCC handset problematic.

Low tech solution... A4 landscape size cards with the loco address printed on in big letters. The despatching fiddle yard would display so that the driver could see it and type in.
 

Tim Lewis

New Member
We had exactly that issue on Black Country Blues. A long, end to end layout where each up and down line operator drove the train towards themselves out of the far fiddle. Obviously you can't see the number of the loco 30' away which made entering it in to the DCC handset problematic.

Low tech solution... A4 landscape size cards with the loco address printed on in big letters. The despatching fiddle yard would display so that the driver could see it and type in.
On NCE (and I would assume on other systems also, but I don't have experience of them), it is straightforward to "give" control to another throttle. All current running characteristics (speed, direction etc) are transferred. The loco is "swapped" with whatever the receiving throttle is set to. We use it all the time when running Gavin Clark's Kerrinhead layout. Problem is, I can't actually remember how it's done, and I'm away from the layout/manuals at the moment.
 

Yorkshire Dave

Western Thunderer
Getting 8 sets of point rodding laid was always going to be a bit of a challenge. The original plan was to thread the 1mm rod through sets of 8 way C&L brass rodding stools. The whole process turned out to be too impractical. So, some subtefuge was called for.. The rods are soldered one at a time using a temporary shim for spacing on to hollow 2.4mm brass bar. That and a brass strip are pinned to the baseboard with some brass rod that acts as a mounting spike. Then a half stool is soldered on at the end, each one just needs a strip over the top.
Just another 4 feet to complete.... but it does add that extra element to the infrastructure.
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The backscene looks good - the only thing I would suggest is to knock it back a tad as not detract the eye from the main layout. Give the whole backscene a translucent white wash which will give it a misty feel and fade it slightly into the distance. However, I would experiment on an unseen area or on a trial painting first.

Depending on the time period modelled perhaps one or two of the nearer house chimneys could do with the H or X 405 line television aerials. As they would hardly be seen these can be drawn in with faint H, H1 or H2 pencil - the mind will fill in the rest.


The rodding run growns, nearly half way now and I have added various compensators. Kneeling on the layout for a couple of hours is not at the fun end of railway modelling... but I'm pleased with the look. I'm fabricating as much as I can on the workbench.
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In this view the backscene looks really effective as the photo was taken nearer to 7mm eyeline or carriage window (with it being slightly out of focus due to the depth of field) and gives the apperance of being on an embankment looking down.

The perspective is good and congratulations to the artist.
 

simond

Western Thunderer
On NCE (and I would assume on other systems also, but I don't have experience of them), it is straightforward to "give" control to another throttle. All current running characteristics (speed, direction etc) are transferred. The loco is "swapped" with whatever the receiving throttle is set to. We use it all the time when running Gavin Clark's Kerrinhead layout. Problem is, I can't actually remember how it's done, and I'm away from the layout/manuals at the moment.
Tim,

I would be interested to know more, so if you have the opportunity, please do let us know

thx
Simon
 

dibateg

Western Thunderer
Thanks Dave -

the backscene was painted by Alisdair MacDonald - I shall mention it when I next see him.

The room is only 36' so we have no need to hand over control, but I'll be interested to see how it's done. Identifying the loco numbers is an issue as we quite often swap them round. I'll have to have a think about that - some way of improving that - they are usually calle dout by the controller!

Cheers
Tony
 

Yorkshire Dave

Western Thunderer
I would be interested to know more, so if you have the opportunity, please do let us know

With Lenz you can - just call up the loco address on handset 2. If the display is flashing after you've dialed up the loco this indicates it is already under control of handset 1.

You can still take control over the loco on handset 2 with handset 1 drive characteristics. - then I would assume the original controlling handset 1 display then flashes.

Roco Multimaus operates the same way and has a master and slave socket in the back of the base unit/control station. I would need to refresh myself on the Lenz system to see of one of the handsets has to be plugged into the base unit/control station and become the master.

As Tony has alluded to - it's communicating the loco address/number between the dispatcher and operators..... :)

..... and making sure the tethered handset cables don't get twisted if walking around :eek: - a good case for wireless handsets.
 

dibateg

Western Thunderer
I finally got that run finished, to where it crosses under the Bulwell Common line.
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There will be a break in rodding installation now as there is a running session next week. Today I have to sort out the Tuesday night flooding which affected the double garage next to the railway room, which escaped by a whisker....
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oldravendale

Western Thunderer
That's a bu**er, Tony. I'm very sad to hear that. It's something I dread every time it rains really hard although there's no history of flooding locally. That seems to be no guarantee nowadays but rather depends on the council and land owners keeping their ditches clear.

Brian
 

simond

Western Thunderer
not great. Flooding is horrible.

tho' if we ever suffer, I'll pity the poor buffers down on the Romney Marsh, they'll need long snorkels!
 

dibateg

Western Thunderer
Fortunately no damage in the garage and was able to get it a bit more dried out today. That was after shovelling 10 barrow loads of mud out of our drive and next doors yard ( their kitchen flooded unfortunately) . Thats built up the level in one of our flower beds. Some kind council men came do empty the drains, they kindly pressure jetted our drive and next doors yard.

So why do some A5's have a rivetted panel in the bunker back and others not? I thopught it might be to do with oil burning, but the numbers don't correspond to the list in the green book.
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Yorkshire Dave

Western Thunderer
So why do some A5's have a rivetted panel in the bunker back and others not? I thopught it might be to do with oil burning, but the numbers don't correspond to the list in the green book.

I don't know much about the GCR N9 (LNER A5) other than they were built in four batches. Three between 1911 and 1917 and one after 1923 (although ordered by the GC). Is the rivetted bunker panel likely to do with a batch difference?
 

dibateg

Western Thunderer
Kevin Tong and Co came for another running session, the first with the new computer screens for the timetable.
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I only managed a handfull of action shots during the session:-

Burton 4F 44552 deputising for the failed 61264 on westbound empty hoppers.
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Standard 73066 takes the Bulwell Common line with a freight from Stanton.
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The station pilot arrives for the day...
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A K3, 61974 pauses for a crew change on a Burton to Annesley freight working.
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