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Buckjumper

Flying Squad
A comment on Buckjumpers article on my Manure wagon .
I appreciate my buffers are not exactly "Plonk and Play" but my way of drilling my buffers seems to work 99
times out of 100... <snip>

Thanks for your follow up Adrian, and I hope that's a useful post for some.

As you rightly say, drilling out blind buffers isn't too onerous a task for the likes of you and me, but to put things into context the article was aimed specifically at the absolute novice solderer with the intention of showing how to get a first whitemetal wagon up and running in a relatively short time. A few quick successes under the belt is an encouragement and hopefully a catalyst to wanting to tackle the more challenging tasks, hence the use of the third party ready to play buffers for this particular build. Actually that was the reason I chose one of your ABS kits - as CME above says - the castings are excellent and virtually free from flash, and all the parts fit with the absolute minimum of fuss. That can't be said of a lot of w/m kits on the market.

Edit: Tautology
 

Buckjumper

Flying Squad
Hi CME, thanks for your comments:thumbs:

In addition, for what it's worth and IMHHO, and here is a teaser, what is better, a very accurate WM kit (ie in 4mm/7mm scale) or a RTR model that looks pretty (nice paint job) yet is riddled with inaccuracies (no names no pack drill:D)?? :eek::)

Sorry, but what does this 'RTR' mean? :)) ;) </ahem!>
 

Adrian B.Swain

Active Member
Hi All. Sorry about the paragraphs, I do type them in but they disappear when posted. I presume there is a little
button somewhere that does this so will see what happens this time.
Ah! the button that says "indent" may be the one in question, let' see what happens this time. I do appreciate​
that drilling out the buffers may perhaps need a fuller explanation in my instructions but that would probably mean a much larger set of instructions if one was to explain in minute detail how to tackle every step and give alternate ways of doing it for the solderers, gluers and sticky back tapers. I know the answer would be a "textbook for the beginner" but who would buy it and could I afford to spend the time and money getting it into print. I have never been happy writing reports and instructions although the computer has made it a lot less frustrating. I tried to avoid having to buy a computer but my catalogue eventually defeated me and like most things in life, it was not as difficult as I thought, even though I still learn new things regularly, like "indents" !!
I only found Western Thunder by accident when looking for other forums to see what people thought about​
certain products but it was extremely pleasant to meet a few of you in person at Kettering. It has also been very gratifying that most posts are complimentary.I am pretty bad at faces and names, in fact I think some of my friends consider I may be bordering on the autistic ( rivet counting, lists, railway modelling etc etc )
With regards to using appropriate materials for certain parts I do ENTIRELY agree and when I started​
making kits I would have dearly loved to have made them mainly in plastic. I made my own injection moulding machine with some help from the British Aircraft Corporation (I think it's too late for them to take any action)
but at that time Spark Erosion and other currect mould making techniques were either not yet invented or vastly expensive. On my limited budget I was stretched to buy a casting machine so it had to be the only means of
production for most things. Etching for model kits was in its infancy although I did do castings for some of
the George and Alan kits because some parts could never have been made using etching. I realised 40 years
ago that etching was great for certain things but the tooling costs and production costs were very high, and
have become even higher recently. When G & A folded I realised that sticking with "In house" casting was
perhaps the best thing and keeping etching only for things that could not be cast was the best approach.
Once certain parts are available in white metal the tendency is to continue using them and although today I​
would use other techniques it must be remembered that 40 years ago home computers did not exist let alone CAD or home publishing. 3D printing was not even dreamt of, certainly not by me at least, home photo copiers were not available and computer driven machining centres had only just arrived at BAC and cost millions. Basically the digital age had just arrived and it's applications were still over the horizon.
In the early '70s there were very few plastic kits available, mainly from Airfix but the quality of many of the other kits proved that better definition could be achieved in whitemetal, at least my me anyway, so I stuck with it and that's the way it still is in some ways. The big plus with using rubber moulds apart from very low cost is that undercuts are possible and no draught angle is needed which cause all sorts of problems with plastic moulding.
adrianbs

 

BrushType4

Western Thunderer
Adrian,

An option for your instructions could be that you write up a fully detailed set for example buffers that are available online that your customers could choose to read or not based on their experience?

I would be happy to host these on my site as I'm sure others would.

Nice to see you are putting in paragraphs, may I suggest that instead of pressing the indent key, that you press return instead so that each paragraph has a bit of white space between. It does make reading very much easier.

Was good to meet you to Adrian at Kettering. :thumbs:
 
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SteveO

Guest
I'm sure Heather could do a fine job, and if you needed a free but fairly simple website let me know. Always happy to help out.
 

adrian

Flying Squad
Is Adrian still watching? I was really enjoying this.
He may well be having an extended summer break but unfortunately it doesn't appear so - his profile says last seen 22nd June 2013.

Which is a shame because he obviously has such a deep knowledge of the subject and it's always invaluable to get these details correct. So if anyone sees him at the shows then please prompt him that he's been missed on WT. Cheers :thumbs:
 

Heather Kay

Western Thunderer
He was at Scaleforum this past week, and looked fairly chipper. I think he's suffering a backlog of work after his bout of ill health, and consequently not had time for this interweb malarkey.
 
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SteveO

Guest
Did you manage to produce a set of instructions for him Heather? There is so much potential in that company...
 
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SteveO

Guest
I hope to make an appointment with him this month to pick up some wagons and to drop off something he was interested in. Looking forward to seeing TheWorks.
 

Adrian B.Swain

Active Member
Hi All again, Sorry about the silence, I could spend all day doing this if it weren't for the customers, Ebay, cooking,shopping, eating, sleeping, packing, casting, exhibitions and a few other things.
How about some opinions on this, I like as many wheels as possible touching the track and picking up current
but don't like springing locos much so I compensate where possible. If the loco has a tender I try to pick up
there as well. What I hate is A) having locos permanently coupled to the tender with nuts etc and B) having
wires between the two. I am going to try fitting a new O gauge addition from Ebay with my plunger pick-ups
either on the loco or tender dragbeam. They will have to be fairly close to the centreline to avoid too much
movement on curves and the other dragbeam will have a copper clad plate divided in the middle for the plungers
to connect to. The PCB can be fully insulated from the loco and permanent wiring fitted to it. It could itself be
fairly easy to remove by either slotting the PCB or dragbeam so that the fixing screws only need loosening to
drop it off without unsoldering the connections if access is a problem. I also like to be able to lift off the engine
from the loco rather than vice versa although that is not a serious problem and where tenders may be used
to add weight at the back of a loco to increase adhesion it is not possible.
Now you lot, what are the snags I have not yet forseen ?? I have tried this on a 4mm loco but with only
a single plunger as even my O gauge pick-ups are a bit big. I think there should be a Guild Standard design
for people to use although I have not wish to impose my pick-ups on anyone. Poor running is so often helped
with tender pickup especially from both sides and I am no great lover of the "American System" which may
work well on 4-8-8-2s with Centipede tenders but British 4-4-0s can be a pain and front bogie pick is fraught
with problems even if a similar "Pick-up" is used to avoid permanent wiring. Naturally Split axle current
collection is great but until all the necessary components are freely and cheaply available, is not a simple
answer and you still have to connect to the tender.
I am well aware that GWR locos had a similar buffing arrangment although not, as far as I am aware, for
the purposes of supplying power to the loco. I think the PCB should be on the Loco as the access to the
plungers is probably better on a tender and a quick release of the PCB would avoid having to dewire the motor
provided it could be manoeuvered through the frames.
I am open to other options but they have to meet all the parameters and be easy to fit.
I wish you all a Happy Xmas and while digesting your turkey and pudding you can mull over this
problem
Best wishes to all Adrian
 
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SteveO

Guest
Good to see you back here Adrian. How was Reading? I hope to come and see how it's all done in the new year and pick up some LNER/BR wagons at the same time.

Have a lovely Christmas and prosperous new year.
 

Adrian B.Swain

Active Member
Hi MICKOO I have had a look at the 4mm ones but they are only available as a part of the overall unit and
it is quite a problem making up a pin and connection suitable, The Jack plugs are OK but the sockets again are
not so easy to make as they have to have sprung contacts and don't seem to be available in a usable form.
The ones I would like to use are the miniature ones used on mini pocket radios but don't seem to be available
apart from prewired with the radio. The others are very much larger.

The other parameter I forgot is that the locos have to be neutral to avoid shorts since most are all metal. Single
way connection is not really a problem to make but does not provide two wire supply.
Keep thinking Adrian
 
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