Heather Kay
Western Thunderer
The "normal" chimney was only used while firing up. Once steam was raised, it was covered with a plug I believe.
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The "normal" chimney was only used while firing up. Once steam was raised, it was covered with a plug I believe.
Scanlon
Western Thunderer
Just a little progress on the Class 3. The rear of the cab plus the bunker are now in place. What seemed to be a relatively simple box construction turned out to be more complicated than I had expected. Never mind the loco is building up very nicely and it is a pleasure to work on a kit of such good quality given its vintage. The loco will be 40120 based at Lower Darwen until October 1962.
Now a request for help. Has anyone any photos or drawings of the cab and tank tops? I have a photo in the kit of the tank tops from which I can scale the position of fillers, lifting lugs etc. but would prefer to be a little more accurate if possible. As for the cab I have no idea if there was a free standing handbrake and scoop, indeed were they fitted with scoops? Was there a back shelf with cupboards etc. etc.? Any help anyone can give me will be gratefully received. Thanks in anticipation.
Roger
Now a request for help. Has anyone any photos or drawings of the cab and tank tops? I have a photo in the kit of the tank tops from which I can scale the position of fillers, lifting lugs etc. but would prefer to be a little more accurate if possible. As for the cab I have no idea if there was a free standing handbrake and scoop, indeed were they fitted with scoops? Was there a back shelf with cupboards etc. etc.? Any help anyone can give me will be gratefully received. Thanks in anticipation.
Roger
Ressaldar
Western Thunderer
Hi Roger,
a quick search on Flickr brought this up as the only photo of Class 3 40120
https://www.flickr.com/photos/93456...PjG-dLARjw-dLvkhz-dLAQ7q-hxGygW-mf8zbM-bxigfX
I hope that it is of use to you.
cheers
Mike
a quick search on Flickr brought this up as the only photo of Class 3 40120
https://www.flickr.com/photos/93456...PjG-dLARjw-dLvkhz-dLAQ7q-hxGygW-mf8zbM-bxigfX
I hope that it is of use to you.
cheers
Mike
mickoo
Western Thunderer
Roger,
Knew I had this somewhere, just took three days to find in my BRILL mags!...and it was the sixth from the end of 250+ I have
, I now have BRILL thumb, of which I know no known cure
It's from 40083
It's not drawings but might help, that's the hand brake stand there and I see no water scoop controls or scoop domes and I'm fairly sure none were fitted anyway to this class. Note the lower locker has a bevelled corner on the fireman's side to clear the handbrake, judging by the door hinge on the drivers side it's possible the corner behind the open door is bevelled also.
Enjoy
Knew I had this somewhere, just took three days to find in my BRILL mags!...and it was the sixth from the end of 250+ I have
, I now have BRILL thumb, of which I know no known cureIt's from 40083
It's not drawings but might help, that's the hand brake stand there and I see no water scoop controls or scoop domes and I'm fairly sure none were fitted anyway to this class. Note the lower locker has a bevelled corner on the fireman's side to clear the handbrake, judging by the door hinge on the drivers side it's possible the corner behind the open door is bevelled also.
Enjoy
Scanlon
Western Thunderer
Hi Mickoo,
What a fabulous photo, just what I needed. Brilliant detail and it answers so many questions, now I can detail the cab properly and order the right parts from Laurie Griffin. Thank goodness Bristol is not too far away. I'm most grateful for your help.
Cheers
Roger
What a fabulous photo, just what I needed. Brilliant detail and it answers so many questions, now I can detail the cab properly and order the right parts from Laurie Griffin. Thank goodness Bristol is not too far away. I'm most grateful for your help.
Cheers
Roger
Dikitriki
Flying Squad
Roger,
Knew I had this somewhere, just took three days to find in my BRILL mags!...and it was the sixth from the end of 250+ I have
Enjoy
Fantastic Mick.
What are resource you have, and thank you for your time in making it available. I too have one of these Staniers to do, so it will help me also.You can't do the same for a Fowler 2-6-2 by any chance?
Regards
Richard
demu1037
Western Thunderer
Will you fit thru the hole???Stick me on the shovel, I would have made it sing...!
JB
Scanlon
Western Thunderer
As I've said before I'm not a museum quality builder but after all of Mickoo's help I had to try and reproduce the rear of the cab interior. Here is my attempt.
It is not an exact copy more an appreciation but at least I have filled a void.
With this out of the way I started on the boiler and this photo shows it roughly in place.
Oops forgot to clean up the solder around the tank fillers!
The boiler etch was slightly incorrect at the smokebox end but using the smokebox ring as my guide the inaccuracy was overcome. The gap in the boiler I filled with solder although it would not have been seen by anyone but me and a cast of thousands!!!!
The firebox is a heavy whitemetal casting and I created a hole in the front face to push the DCC chip into the boiler, there being only just enough room for the motor to fit in the remaining space. The boiler itself requires four washout plugs and I will have to raid my spares box for them. At the front end the smokebox saddle currently sits between two 8BA nuts which are required to hold the frames to the body. The front one will have to go as not only is it unsightly but I think unnecessary. The other one will be masked by the front sandbox fillers.
Once again thanks to everyone who has helped me get this far. Cheers.
It is not an exact copy more an appreciation but at least I have filled a void
.With this out of the way I started on the boiler and this photo shows it roughly in place.
Oops forgot to clean up the solder around the tank fillers!
The boiler etch was slightly incorrect at the smokebox end but using the smokebox ring as my guide the inaccuracy was overcome. The gap in the boiler I filled with solder although it would not have been seen by anyone but me and a cast of thousands!!!! The firebox is a heavy whitemetal casting and I created a hole in the front face to push the DCC chip into the boiler, there being only just enough room for the motor to fit in the remaining space. The boiler itself requires four washout plugs and I will have to raid my spares box for them. At the front end the smokebox saddle currently sits between two 8BA nuts which are required to hold the frames to the body. The front one will have to go as not only is it unsightly but I think unnecessary. The other one will be masked by the front sandbox fillers.Once again thanks to everyone who has helped me get this far. Cheers.
mickoo
Western Thunderer
Once you put a roof on and add some clutter it'll look perfectly all right, glad the photo was of use
Richard, not sure, I think there's some photos of scrapped Fowler or maybe Stanier locos kicking around somewhere, but not the rear cab wall, I think this is the only photo I recall seeing of any loco from this angle I'm afraid.
Richard, not sure, I think there's some photos of scrapped Fowler or maybe Stanier locos kicking around somewhere, but not the rear cab wall, I think this is the only photo I recall seeing of any loco from this angle I'm afraid.
Scanlon
Western Thunderer
Not much progress to report, Christmas is getting in the way and my workbench has been tidied up and all tools stowed neatly away.
As you can see the loco now has frames, wheels and coupling rods. The frames built up very easily at the first attempt. A check on glass revealed no problems so I was into the axleboxes. The etches are designed to be fitted with Slaters products but on advice I plumped for a set of Steph Dale's etches as they would give greater flexibility when setting up levels etc.. I have never built any of these before, all my previous builds have rigid frames, so I read the instructions very carefully.
The "slot" in the frames was much larger than Steph's product required so I reduced the overall height by 1.5mm using a U shaped brass extrusion. This proved perfect and accommodated the adjusting bar in precisely the same position for each wheel. The loco will be driven from the rear axle and setting up the axleboxes for this axle was satisfactorily achieved on the third attempt. With everything square the frames were put onto the chassis jig and the remaining four axleboxes tacked in position. One of them gave quite some problems lining it up but perseverance finally won out. I now have a very free running frame, probably my best yet. Current collection is via split axles (courtesy of Clive of Ivatt 4 fame) on the leading axles and by plungers on the rear axle.
On the engine body there has been a little progress. The two fixing bolts on the running plate have gone, instead the front of the frames is secured by a "clip" behind the leading bufferbeam. At the rear the normal bolt position was used.
To ensure the firebox was properly supported I soldered some scrap etch on the underside of the tank tops. The first attempt put the firebox too high so additional etch was added to lower the supports by about 1mm. The smokebox now sits properly on/in the saddle.
So now the loco is back in its box and will have to wait for the New Year before work starts again. I wish all readers and contributors a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year and thank all for their help, support, constructive criticism and encouragement. See you in 2015 - I hope!
Roger
As you can see the loco now has frames, wheels and coupling rods. The frames built up very easily at the first attempt. A check on glass revealed no problems so I was into the axleboxes. The etches are designed to be fitted with Slaters products but on advice I plumped for a set of Steph Dale's etches as they would give greater flexibility when setting up levels etc.. I have never built any of these before, all my previous builds have rigid frames, so I read the instructions very carefully.
The "slot" in the frames was much larger than Steph's product required so I reduced the overall height by 1.5mm using a U shaped brass extrusion. This proved perfect and accommodated the adjusting bar in precisely the same position for each wheel. The loco will be driven from the rear axle and setting up the axleboxes for this axle was satisfactorily achieved on the third attempt. With everything square the frames were put onto the chassis jig and the remaining four axleboxes tacked in position. One of them gave quite some problems lining it up but perseverance finally won out. I now have a very free running frame, probably my best yet. Current collection is via split axles (courtesy of Clive of Ivatt 4 fame) on the leading axles and by plungers on the rear axle.
On the engine body there has been a little progress. The two fixing bolts on the running plate have gone, instead the front of the frames is secured by a "clip" behind the leading bufferbeam. At the rear the normal bolt position was used.
To ensure the firebox was properly supported I soldered some scrap etch on the underside of the tank tops. The first attempt put the firebox too high so additional etch was added to lower the supports by about 1mm. The smokebox now sits properly on/in the saddle.
So now the loco is back in its box and will have to wait for the New Year before work starts again. I wish all readers and contributors a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year and thank all for their help, support, constructive criticism and encouragement. See you in 2015 - I hope!
Roger
Scanlon
Western Thunderer
With the festivities out of the way the tools have come out again. I have obviously been lulled into a false sense of security by present day kit manufacturers because the Chowbent instructions are brief e.g. "Now build the pony trucks"! This week work has centred on the frames and those pony trucks were built with reference to a photo provided in the kit. The result was the leading truck would have been 6mm too far forward, but this was quickly put right.
The cylinders and slidebars took two days to build up and have to be handled carefully. The motion bracket is only attached at the outer ends of the slidebars. The slidebar and rear cylinder cover castings are excellent but very susceptible to distortion. To firm things up I added a fillet of solder where the slidebars are attached to the cover. With everything in place the cylinder cladding was fitted and finally the cylinder drain cocks were soldered in place. Refitting the whole assembly was tricky but eventually it dropped back into place, crossheads and connecting rods were refitted and the frames tested to ensure everything was satisfactory.
This work was followed by starting to detail the frames and so far sandboxes and brake gear have been added. Still to fit are the sandpipes, springs and brake pull rods before work can recommence on the boiler etc.
The cylinders and slidebars took two days to build up and have to be handled carefully. The motion bracket is only attached at the outer ends of the slidebars. The slidebar and rear cylinder cover castings are excellent but very susceptible to distortion. To firm things up I added a fillet of solder where the slidebars are attached to the cover. With everything in place the cylinder cladding was fitted and finally the cylinder drain cocks were soldered in place. Refitting the whole assembly was tricky but eventually it dropped back into place, crossheads and connecting rods were refitted and the frames tested to ensure everything was satisfactory.
This work was followed by starting to detail the frames and so far sandboxes and brake gear have been added. Still to fit are the sandpipes, springs and brake pull rods before work can recommence on the boiler etc.
Scanlon
Western Thunderer
Hi Tony
I have tapped and screwed the bracket to a stretcher in the frames. The major problem is the slot for the bracket was designed for a laminated etching later replaced by a casting. The casting is thicker and once everything was soldered up the little "wiggle room" I originally had was gone!
My commiserations with the 9F, it seems these locos irrespective of version or kit manufacturer are not as straightforward as we would like.
Regards
Roger
I have tapped and screwed the bracket to a stretcher in the frames. The major problem is the slot for the bracket was designed for a laminated etching later replaced by a casting. The casting is thicker and once everything was soldered up the little "wiggle room" I originally had was gone!
My commiserations with the 9F, it seems these locos irrespective of version or kit manufacturer are not as straightforward as we would like.
Regards
Roger
Scanlon
Western Thunderer
Decorating work slowed progress on the Stanier 2-6-2t but this week has seen the loco take a leap forward. The majority of the detailing work is now complete and only the cab roof needs to be formed and put in place for the bodywork to be almost finished. 
Most of the fittings are original Chowbent castings but some were missing and these were replaced using Laurie Griffin parts. There included the brake ejector and the Silvertown lubricators. The former is the Fowler brake ejector but has been modified to represent the Stanier version. The lubricators are lovely castings but required substantial work to build, roughly three hours for each one including fitting the pipe runs which were made using 0.5 copper wire.
The backhead is presenting quite some problems. Currently it is far too deep for the location it has to fit onto. To make matters worse the frames impinge on the room available. I do not intend to modify the frames so the backhead will have to be carved up, oh joy! The cab detail was to say the least sparse, a cast backhead in the kit was all that was provided. Thanks to Mickoo the rear of the cab has been "detailed" and Laurie Griffin came up with a reverser. In the end I plumped for the Ivatt 2 version as this was low enough not to appear in the windows, as per the prototype.
The frames have mysteriously started to present problems. When first built they ran perfectly. The addition of cylinders, crossheads and connecting rods has somehow given rise to some tight spots which were not evident when in their component parts. The frames were stripped down and as an 0-6-0 ran perfectly so each crosshead and connecting rod was tried independently. A little easing of the slidebars was necessary on one side. Probably some solder has found its way under one of the slidebars lifting it slightly when attaching to the motion bracket. Running is not as smooth as I would like so this is still work in progress. Shortly work will start on building the valve gear and then I can thoroughly clean everything and maybe think about painting.
As detailing is a time-consuming task I'm looking at the next loco, surprise surprise it will be another 2-6-2t, this time a DJB Standard 3.
Most of the fittings are original Chowbent castings but some were missing and these were replaced using Laurie Griffin parts. There included the brake ejector and the Silvertown lubricators. The former is the Fowler brake ejector but has been modified to represent the Stanier version. The lubricators are lovely castings but required substantial work to build, roughly three hours for each one including fitting the pipe runs which were made using 0.5 copper wire.
The backhead is presenting quite some problems. Currently it is far too deep for the location it has to fit onto. To make matters worse the frames impinge on the room available. I do not intend to modify the frames so the backhead will have to be carved up, oh joy! The cab detail was to say the least sparse, a cast backhead in the kit was all that was provided. Thanks to Mickoo the rear of the cab has been "detailed" and Laurie Griffin came up with a reverser. In the end I plumped for the Ivatt 2 version as this was low enough not to appear in the windows, as per the prototype.
The frames have mysteriously started to present problems. When first built they ran perfectly. The addition of cylinders, crossheads and connecting rods has somehow given rise to some tight spots which were not evident when in their component parts. The frames were stripped down and as an 0-6-0 ran perfectly so each crosshead and connecting rod was tried independently. A little easing of the slidebars was necessary on one side. Probably some solder has found its way under one of the slidebars lifting it slightly when attaching to the motion bracket. Running is not as smooth as I would like so this is still work in progress. Shortly work will start on building the valve gear and then I can thoroughly clean everything and maybe think about painting.
As detailing is a time-consuming task I'm looking at the next loco, surprise surprise it will be another 2-6-2t, this time a DJB Standard 3.
Ressaldar
Western Thunderer
nothing like a decent challenge at the start of the year then Roger
Great work on the Stanier, it will look great when finished.
cheers
Mike
