German Modelling

Scanlon

Scanlon

Western Thunderer
John Miller said:
Hi Scanlon - could you post what scale/gauge that model of of 050 560 is - and an also what manufacturer?

Thanks .... :thumbs:
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Hi John,
This is a Gauge 1 model produced by KM1 Modellbau who specialise in short runs of various German prototypes. The Cl.50 loco was produced in 2010 and there are a number of variations including both tender types, differing boilers, different smokebox doors and more, however the factory has sold out.
If you are tempted there are a number of these locos on Ebay. I'd love another one but.................:rolleyes:
Regards
Roger
 
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John Miller

Western Thunderer
Scanlon said:
Hi John,
This is a Gauge 1 model produced by KM1 Modellbau who specialise in short runs of various German prototypes. The Cl.50 loco was produced in 2010 and there are a number of variations including both tender types, differing boilers, different smokebox doors and more, however the factory has sold out.
If you are tempted there are a number of these locos on Ebay. I'd love another one but.................:rolleyes:
Regards
Roger
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Hi Roger - thanks for that.
I wasn't aware of the KM1 products, but I have been looking at the Accucraft Class 45 2-10-2 currently available through Track Shack on the Isle of Man -

http://www.track-shack.com/acatalog...ocomotive--1-32-scale-Accucraft-AL97-045.html

It doesn't seem quite up to the KM standard in terms of detailing, but I was wondering if you had any oportunity to compare the two models and what your comments might be?

Many thanks - John
 
Richard Spoors

Richard Spoors

Western Thunderer
Scanlon

Scanlon

Western Thunderer
John Miller said:
Hi Roger - thanks for that.

It doesn't seem quite up to the KM standard in terms of detailing, but I was wondering if you had any oportunity to compare the two models and what your comments might be?

Many thanks - John
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Hello John,

I echo Richard Spoors comments. I have not had an opportunity to compare either model but have seen a KM1 Br45 and it is stunning. Inevitably a live steam loco requires greater elements of compromise. Again there are none at KM1 but German Ebay seems to have quite a few. As Richard Lambert said earlier this message comes with a financial warning.

Happy shopping!

Roger
 
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John Miller

Western Thunderer
Richard and Roger - thanks for the info.

Not being familiar with KM, I was under the mistaken impression that they made live steam models. I see now that they are indeed 'birds of a different feather' which is perhaps why I hadn't come across them before.

John.

EDIT....

Hey Guys - I just found out how to use 'Google Translate' to convert German e-bay - what a great tool it is.

Although - as others have warned - it might proove costly!!! .... :eek:
 
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Dikitriki

Dikitriki

Flying Squad
Richard Spoors said:
the only company I know of with a strong German bias is Wyko
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Hi Richard ,

I have had a look at the Wyko site before. I couldn't get my head round the pricing structure. They list 3 prices for each product. the most expensive is RTR, the middle I assume is a full kit - I presume like Aster, fully finished and 'bolt together' - but what is the first and lowest price?

Do you know what reputation they have compared to Aster, say?

Richard L
 
Dikitriki

Dikitriki

Flying Squad
Hi,

Returning to my Marklin BR 44 which kicked all this off...

The most disappointing aspect of the model is the cylinders.

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I had initially accepted this as part of the cost of having a live steam loco. However, a perusal of the Marklin spares catalogue revealed that they sold complete cylinder units from their electric version as spares. I ordered a pair to see what I could do. First examination showed that the live steam cylinder was not the same dimensionally (it's materially bigger top to bottom) as the electric version, so some sort of clip on or graft from the production plastic cylinder wasn't possible.

However, I thought I could devise a clip on cylinder cover from nickel silver, and graft on the plastic detail scavenged from the plastic cylinders. Since the parts were going to be exposed to high(ish) temperatures, I determined to pin everything on, and use a Loctite high temperature glue.

There was a lot of trial and error in forming the cylinder covers, but the basic shape did securely clip on - it fits in the slot under the red beam shown above and clips under the curve of the cylinder.

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Here are the parts to be added to the cover:

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The cylinder front and tail rod cover had to be dealt with separately as there are 6 large bolts securing the live-steam cylinder front, so the plastic part had holes drilled to clear the bolts but be an interference fit.

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The tail rod cover clips in anyway in case it needs to be removable when using sharp curves.

Finally, the faux cylinder was blackened and the plastic parts attached. The whole thing was clipped to the live steam cylinder and hey presto!

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I'm waiting for the Loctite glue to arrive, so this is all staying in place with the pins and is yet to be painted, but I have every confidence that this will be a lasting solution to something that let down the model badly.

I've still got the second one to do, but as each of the metal components was completed for this side, I used it as a pattern for the other side, so I have a kit of parts already prepared.

Cheers

Richard
 
Richard Spoors

Richard Spoors

Western Thunderer
Hi Richard, I last saw their products at Sinsheim in 2013 when that had a large oval test track with several locos being operated. They didn't seem to have the same external quality of detail finish as Aster, and the paintwork was glossy black, however I didn't look too closely as I'm not a live steam operator. Some of the models didn't appear to be accurate scale reproductions, although this may have improved as I look at their on-line catalogue. By observation the live steam manufacturers have reduced the size of their gauges and operating equipment in the cabs in recent years, which makes the models look much more realistic. Gas fuel and radio control seem to be the state of their art. The three prices are 1) basic parts, some of which require machining to build the model. I presume unpainted. 2) complete kit of parts that only need bolting together and 3) built and r-t-r.

Richard
 
Richard Spoors

Richard Spoors

Western Thunderer
Marklin have very recently moved into the Kiss/KM1 league with their latest Gauge 1 locomotives. No more plastic and greater attention to detail. This is a copy of their marketing picture of the Badische class 75 2-6-2. Next will be a class 41 2-8-2!75 481.jpg
 
mickoo

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Richard S, yes they do seem to have a two tier pricing so I guessed a two tier model standard, their Br.38 looks very nice.
 
demu1037

demu1037

Western Thunderer
Dikitriki said:
Hi,

Returning to my Marklin BR 44 which kicked all this off...

I've still got the second one to do, but as each of the metal components was completed for this side, I used it as a pattern for the other side, so I have a kit of parts already prepared.

Cheers

Richard
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Hi Richard
Nice to know Heuseite hbf is done and dusted so you can concentrate on the Baureihe Bahn stuff

Mr less than 5weeks now Andy
 
Dikitriki

Dikitriki

Flying Squad
Richard Spoors said:
Richard, if you wish to add a works plate to your new cylinders, 44 670 was built by Borsig in 1941. Etched plates are available from Beckert, item 1026 http://www.beckert-modellbau.de/html/atzschilder.html
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Richard,

Thank you very much for the suggestion and information. I will certainly do so. As you can imagine, I am just feeling my way into German G1 modelling and have no idea where to look for things.

I am struggling for the Indusi at the moment. I have found a few on line, but they are all out of stock.

Yours,

Richard L
 
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