Hayfield1
Western Thunderer
Phil
Happy Christmas, we were warned Martin was going to do some housework on Templot Club and shut it down for a few days, also it will give him an uninterrupted period to recharge
John
Hayfields 7mm 3D Printed Turnouts
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Phil
Happy Christmas, we were warned Martin was going to do some housework on Templot Club and shut it down for a few days, also it will give him an uninterrupted period to recharge
John
Hayfield1
Western Thunderer
I am going back to basics, simply some do drop in and out of topics or join in the latest threads rather than start from the beginning, sorry for repeating myself
This is a Vee filing jig which can be FDM printed from the Templot template we created, it is easily made and very easy to use.
The two halves fit together holding the rail in position so a very accurate angle can easily be formed. These jigs can equally be used inconjuction with traditional track building methods, especially when non standard angles are required
Here is a finished joint still in the jig, un like more traditional methods you only file one side of the rail to allow it to fit in its locating slot in the A chair. And do the same one sided filing on the exit road rail
You can see the rail coming out of the jig on the right
You may need to read the description more than once if you are unfamiliar with the system
Common crossing chairs
On the left are two prints for the loose jaw common crossing chairs and on the right is a set of fixed jaws common crossing chairs
To start off with I will use the fixed jaw set of chairs to help me check the length of the Vee rails and their fit
The two extra bits between the chairs are spacers, more about this later
I have fitted the common crossing chairs A, B & C then 2 bridge and 2 joint chairs. A crossing chair was fitted by Terry to test the slot, left in position so I don't loose it, no need to fit it at this time
One vee rail is fitted then cut to length, the second rail likewise will be fitted in position then cut to length
This is a Vee filing jig which can be FDM printed from the Templot template we created, it is easily made and very easy to use.
The two halves fit together holding the rail in position so a very accurate angle can easily be formed. These jigs can equally be used inconjuction with traditional track building methods, especially when non standard angles are required
Here is a finished joint still in the jig, un like more traditional methods you only file one side of the rail to allow it to fit in its locating slot in the A chair. And do the same one sided filing on the exit road rail
You can see the rail coming out of the jig on the right
You may need to read the description more than once if you are unfamiliar with the system
Common crossing chairs
On the left are two prints for the loose jaw common crossing chairs and on the right is a set of fixed jaws common crossing chairs
To start off with I will use the fixed jaw set of chairs to help me check the length of the Vee rails and their fit
The two extra bits between the chairs are spacers, more about this later
I have fitted the common crossing chairs A, B & C then 2 bridge and 2 joint chairs. A crossing chair was fitted by Terry to test the slot, left in position so I don't loose it, no need to fit it at this time
One vee rail is fitted then cut to length, the second rail likewise will be fitted in position then cut to length
martin_wynne
Western Thunderer
@Phil O @Hayfield1
Hi Phil, John,
I have taken the Templot web site offline for the first time in 25 years, to give myself a bit of a break.
And also hopefully to get the message across that nowadays it is just my fun hobby, and not some sort of commercial software product. It's been a constant battle of wits to get that point across.
Pleased to report that the 4mm COT is looking more hopeful on the standard Neptune 4 -- I tried a different slicer instead of Cura.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all.
Martin.
Hi Phil, John,
I have taken the Templot web site offline for the first time in 25 years, to give myself a bit of a break.
And also hopefully to get the message across that nowadays it is just my fun hobby, and not some sort of commercial software product. It's been a constant battle of wits to get that point across.
Pleased to report that the 4mm COT is looking more hopeful on the standard Neptune 4 -- I tried a different slicer instead of Cura.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all.
Martin.
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Hayfield1
Western Thunderer
Martin
You are due a long relaxing break, do enjoy this Christmas break to both recharge your batteries and time to take stock of where we are
I will carry on with this build after Christmas, but at this moment in time COT Track is so much easier, so its great news that its working better with your new experimenting in 4mm scale, which I guess means 7mm will be even better, though I cannot see how much better it can get better.
If COT track or rather when it is available in 4mm scale it will be a real game changer
I very big thank you for all the help you have given me (and everyone else) this year so freely, many more will echo this, we do very much appreciate your skills and insight around track building
Happy Christmas and have a brilliant 2025
John
Hayfield1
Western Thunderer
To all who read my ramblings Happy Christmas and a prosperous new modeling year in 2025
The thread will continue in a couple of days as Christmas takes center stage for a couple of days
2024 has been for me a revelation, I was getting a bit disillusioned with resin printing, whilst I was enjoying FDM printing the resin side I found difficult
Martin came to the rescue, firstly with 7mm FDM plug track followed quickly by COT track, a real revelation in Track building. All I can say everything I have tried "off piste" worked, a work of genius from Mr Wynne
The thread will continue in a couple of days as Christmas takes center stage for a couple of days
2024 has been for me a revelation, I was getting a bit disillusioned with resin printing, whilst I was enjoying FDM printing the resin side I found difficult
Martin came to the rescue, firstly with 7mm FDM plug track followed quickly by COT track, a real revelation in Track building. All I can say everything I have tried "off piste" worked, a work of genius from Mr Wynne
Pencarrow
Western Thunderer
Hi John, do the kits include rail? If not, which profile are the chairs printed for??
martin_wynne
Western Thunderer
@Pencarrow
Hi Chris,
Rail not included. You specify which rail section you are using when ordering. See: 7mm Scale B6 Turnout Kit | Kosmik
3d-printed filing jigs available to make preparing the rail easy. Again you would specify the rail section. Options are C&L code 125 BH, C&L code 131 BH, Peco code 124 BH.
This is an experimental product intended for Templot users. Everything is subject to change. Do not rely on future kits being the same.
Martin.
Hayfield1
Western Thunderer
Pencarrow
As Martin replied at the moment no rail is supplied
You can chose what rail you want the chairs to accept, either Code 125 bh 0r code 131 bh
Terry and me did discuss about him supplying rail in the future, I thought it would be especially useful for those who just want to try the system first, as its hard to buy a few lengths of rail.
I still think in 7mm scale COT track is the way to go, certainly financially and time wise. If you are building a small layout then the printer would have paid for itself after 4 or 5 turnouts, plain track is also cheaper than RTR flexitrack.
If you want something interesting to build, then plug track is your option
John
martin_wynne
Western Thunderer
Don't forget you can combine the two methods -- COT for the bulk of it, plug-in chairs for the tricky bits. Plug-in chairs can be resin or FDM printed. If it is mostly COT, using FDM plug-in chairs will match in better, although they need to be solid-jaw rather than loose-jaw:
Resin chairs can be loose-jaw, but need full-depth 6mm timbers. FDM plug-in chairs can use 3mm timbers.
Just don't expect me to explain it all YET. I'm trying to stop folks pushing me forward too fast -- Templot is just a fun hobby. Lots of other stuff to do first.
Martin.
Hayfield1
Western Thunderer
Martin
You are on the naughty step (makes a change from me) I hope you are having a nice break and the Templot Club housekeeping is coming along nicely.
As martin has replied, there are limits with FDM track printing, mainly around acute bends in the rail. Again Martin has come up with partial loose jaws with the fitting of wing rails. Back in the early days my thoughts were around using individual chairs (similar to traditional methods). However FDM chairs are far more forgiving than resin ones.
Prior to Martins currant system of partial chairs, my own (less efficient) way was to cut the track base and thread each base individually
As you can see Martin came up with a much simpler way, rather than loose jaws (plug track) There are what I call stub jaws, which are simply stuck in place
If cut correctly they simply fit into the web and held there with 2 part epoxy glue
Martin is currently designing obtuse crossing chairs, Probably some months off as several other things are being dealt with which are more important and need to be addressed.
Templot COT track is infact very much more versatile than we are showing, but this entails advanced Templot usage. But if shown could cause far more issues than they would solve.
Also some way off Martin and at least one other person are experimenting with 4mm FDM COT track (as Martin announced) Using a different slicing program and perhaps a bit more expensive printer
With Templot Club on holiday I am in two minds whether to pas this build for a few days, so as not too disturb Martin,
Plus I have a Roxey Mouldings Terrier nearing completion, or rather reaching the painting stage. Amongst other kits a Roxey Mouldings Adams Radial Tank has been added to the kit pile (replacing a Shedmaster version I sold as I did not fancy building it)
You are on the naughty step (makes a change from me) I hope you are having a nice break and the Templot Club housekeeping is coming along nicely.
As martin has replied, there are limits with FDM track printing, mainly around acute bends in the rail. Again Martin has come up with partial loose jaws with the fitting of wing rails. Back in the early days my thoughts were around using individual chairs (similar to traditional methods). However FDM chairs are far more forgiving than resin ones.
Prior to Martins currant system of partial chairs, my own (less efficient) way was to cut the track base and thread each base individually
As you can see Martin came up with a much simpler way, rather than loose jaws (plug track) There are what I call stub jaws, which are simply stuck in place
If cut correctly they simply fit into the web and held there with 2 part epoxy glue
Martin is currently designing obtuse crossing chairs, Probably some months off as several other things are being dealt with which are more important and need to be addressed.
Templot COT track is infact very much more versatile than we are showing, but this entails advanced Templot usage. But if shown could cause far more issues than they would solve.
Also some way off Martin and at least one other person are experimenting with 4mm FDM COT track (as Martin announced) Using a different slicing program and perhaps a bit more expensive printer
With Templot Club on holiday I am in two minds whether to pas this build for a few days, so as not too disturb Martin,
Plus I have a Roxey Mouldings Terrier nearing completion, or rather reaching the painting stage. Amongst other kits a Roxey Mouldings Adams Radial Tank has been added to the kit pile (replacing a Shedmaster version I sold as I did not fancy building it)
martin_wynne
Western Thunderer
@Hayfield1
Hi John,
Brilliant! I have been looking for a name for them. Everything in Templot has to have a name, so that it can be written on the buttons. Preferably a short name. Stub jaws is perfect. Thanks:
Not too far off and can be done on the Neptune 4. However it requires a lot more explanation and clicking the required options. The explanations are harder work than writing the code.
Please can you tell me what is the height of C&L 00/EM flexi-track to the rail top? I believe it has changed? What about Peco BH flexi? Thanks.
Not really. I'm trying to get the next Templot update sorted and released. What I'm trying to have a rest from is interruptions and explanations.
Martin.
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Hayfield1
Western Thunderer
@Hayfield1
Hi John,
Brilliant! I have been looking for a name for them. Everything in Templot has to have a name, so that it can be written on the buttons. Preferably a short name. Stub jaws is perfect. Thanks:
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Not too far off and can be done on the Neptune 4. However it requires a lot more explanation and clicking the required options. The explanations are harder work than writing the code.
Please can you tell me what is the height of C&L 00/EM flexi-track to the rail top? I believe it has changed? What about Peco BH flexi? Thanks.
Not really. I'm trying to get the next Templot update sorted and released. What I'm trying to have a rest from is interruptions and explanations.
Martin.
Martin
The new track base with code 75 rail measures 4mm from the base of the sleepers to the top of the rail. The sleepers are 1.62mm thick
Enjoy your little bit of peace
Sorry I don't own any Peco track in 4mm scale
John
Hayfield1
Western Thunderer
Much better than I expected and if its half as good as 7mm COT track 4mm modelers are in for a new years bonus
Just printing standard turnouts in reality does not do justice to this system, but to design a bespoke turnout, not only then being able to print the turnout, but then also to be able to print bespoke filings jigs as well is a real game changer
Anyway just made some Turkey soup out of my Covent Garden cook book. Made the stock from Christmas day's turkey, which yielded just over a litre of jellified stock, cooked winter vegetables before adding the stock, once cooked blitzed to a liquid prior to adding diced turkey. That's my cooking done for the year
Steve Cornford
New Member
Hi Martin,
Peco OO Bullhead 75 measures 3.91+-0.01
Steve
Peco OO Bullhead 75 measures 3.91+-0.01
Steve