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Richard Gawler

Richard Gawler

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Overseer said:
The captions on the Warwickshire railways website suggest the accident was between 1912 and 1923 based on the sidings on the canal wharf not appearing on maps until 1912.
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Well, we know that the accident happened at a time when the track layout matched up with the map published in 1912.

If the OS maps are correct, the sidings must have been built between 1902 and 1912

Newdigate Colliery: A 1902 Ordnance Survey Map showing the exchange sidings are now in place but no siding to the wharf
Newdigate Colliery: A 1912 Ordnance Survey Map showing the exchange sidings are now in place with two sidings installed on the wharf

I agree that the accident was before 1923, by which time the track layout had been reduced to one siding.
Newdigate Colliery: A 1923 Ordnance Survey Map showing the exchange sidings but with the number of wharf sidings reduced to one

So, later than the preparation of the map published in 1902 and before 1923.

I have written to the Warwickshire Railways web site, in case they have the correct date of the accident stored away elsewhere.
 
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daifly

daifly

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Care is needed when interpreting OS map data. The map publication date may well be years(!) after the survey amendment date. So a '1902' published map may well have been initially surveyed in e.g. 1886 and amended in 1898.
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Yorkshire Dave

Yorkshire Dave

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Quite so, ideally you need to see the entire map sheet as it carries the amendment and later survey dates in the margins. It's the same when looking at the NLS OS maps online which tend to be an amalgam of several editions to fill in gaps to cover the entire area. There is the option to view certain years and editions which then creates gaps in the mapping.
 
Richard Gawler

Richard Gawler

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daifly said:
Care is needed when interpreting OS map data. The map publication date may well be years(!) after the survey amendment date. So a '1902' published map may well have been initially surveyed in e.g. 1886 and amended in 1898.
Dave
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Sorry; I have edited my previous post (Well, we know . . .) to suit.

I do stand by my writing, "If the OS maps are correct" because to my mind, the date is an integral part of the map.
 
Richard Gawler

Richard Gawler

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Rob R said:
Note the Thomas Moy wagon pointing skywards. An East Anglian must have.
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Dare I ask, having a Thomas Moy wagon, or having it pointing skywards too?

I have one of the Moy wagons from the Guild, these models attracted a lot of discussion on the forum there. I'm happy to run it on the layout, but making it a permanent fixture in the basin might be too much of a statement :)
 
Richard Gawler

Richard Gawler

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There is a part of me which fancies modelling a wagon on end, sticking up out of the basin. I would find it easier than doing a boat. With care I could even use it to suggest the depth of the water. But to be honest, such a mishap would more likely happen off-scene, beyond the goods siding. I don't think the track plan on the model lends itself to such a feature.

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I would be better off with one or two fisherman, near the crane.

Photo from the collection of the Mersea Museum, Fishing, Heybridge Basin. Hammond postcard.
 
Osgood

Osgood

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PhilH said:
So where is it and when was it ? Please give the source of the photo, Thanks
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Phil - the image is one from my files that was found on the www but with no reference sadly - might have been 10 - 12 years back that I came across it.

If it looks familiar to you do let me know and I'll put the source reference on the post.

I've just tried a whole load of searches without any luck - although Nuneaton/Bedworth area collieries rang a bell and a search on the excellent
nuneaton history website, whilst not yielding the Peckett bridge image, did provide another view of the canal pile-up:

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Image from Brickyards, Quarries & Collieries (Extractive Industries)
 
PhilH

PhilH

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Osgood said:
Phil - the image is one from my files that was found on the www but with no reference sadly - might have been 10 - 12 years back that I came across it.

If it looks familiar to you do let me know and I'll put the source reference on the post.
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The loco is MILLICENT a Peckett B2 Class 0-6-0ST works no.1635 supplied new to the Blaina and Pantyffynnon Collieries at Ammanford in South Wales. The colliery line crossed the River Loughor 3 times, all being single track bridges so it could possibly be any one of the three. Apparently the photo is in the Industrial Railway Society's collection but I don't know whether or not they hold the copyright. It was discussed on the IRS Forum about 2 years ago but with no conclusion on the exact location or how the accident happened.
 
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    Richard Gawler

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    Richard Gawler said:
    In real life I think the location would be worked by a loco and a horse. I have both but the horse lacks animation. So I want to use a mixture of rope shunting, a local 'pilot' loco, and simple push-pull operations. The pilot will be 'Lady Marion'.
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    I have done my test runs with a 140 mm rope. This has worked, using a battery loco and with the loco uncoupling from the rope and "running round" as it were to propel the wagon along the siding. Frog switching would let me use one of my analogue locos in its place.
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    Going back to the rope shunting, trials have all worked out very well in geometrical and operational terms.

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    The MW class F can pull a pair of wagons into the passenger platform and take them clear of the fouling point, even when the headshunt contains two wagons.

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    Similarly, the loco can pull a pair of wagons into the siding and get them beyond the fouling point using the same 160 mm rope.

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    The layout reaches its maximum workable capacity with six wagons; I can still extract one wagon from the goods siding. I was expecting the limit to be four so this has all worked out better than I expected.

    The capacity reduces if I use a longer loco such as the Terrier or the MW class K. These are both track-powered so I need to work up some different frog switching on the A6. Still, I can see the layout is going to work. The biggest problem I have is touching a wagon when attaching the rope. They are so free-running they run away.
     
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    Rob Pulham

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    Hi Richard,

    Your last post has made what you are trying to achieve much clearer in my mind.

    For some reason, I had envisaged either a capstan or at the very least a bollard, which the rope would pass around involved somewhere in the shunting process. Everyday is a school day as they say:thumbs:
     
    simond

    simond

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    Richard,

    a longer rope, attached to the rear of the wagon or rake, will reduce the angle dramatically. You could even attach to the front of the loco. Perhaps with a chain link tied in each end of the said rope to make it easy to drop onto the 3-link hook?

    I have seen (on here, @Captain Kernow perhaps?) a suggestion of a foam pad rubbing on a wheel or axle, to act as a brake.
     
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