AJC

Western Thunderer
Hello Adam
...
The slip sounds fun. They are great spacesavers. I've not done anything in flatbottom, myself. I'll look forward to the build... :)

Thanks again

Cheers

Jan

Don't hold your breath on that front, the Italian effort is a way away yet, though the mind's eye image is clear and there's sufficient trains to operate it. That said, I should really at least make a start on EM tracklaying, first, but that requires me to build some benchwork to pop the boards on and there's work that must be done on the house first. It never ends, does it?

Adam
 

Lyndhurstman

Western Thunderer
Don't hold your breath on that front, the Italian effort is a way away yet, though the mind's eye image is clear and there's sufficient trains to operate it. That said, I should really at least make a start on EM tracklaying, first, but that requires me to build some benchwork to pop the boards on and there's work that must be done on the house first. It never ends, does it?

Adam

Ah.. There’s always something... mind you, if you need any EM track gauges, I have some :)

Cheers

Jan
 
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Point Mechanism

Lyndhurstman

Western Thunderer
Over-seasoned
Dark, cold, wet. Logs crackling in the burner. Quiet on the hill outside the house. Hibernation - practiced for all year - comes to the Tamar valley.
It is the time of year when thoughts turn inward, and the quickening of evening brings time for the out of mind.

I see my last post on this thread was in June. Shameful, but there it is. I've not been absent, but neither have I been extremely present. My head receives my head. This odd - seemingly endless - period of the 'new normal' (working from home, washing cardboard boxes, scouring the neighbourhood for eggs, turning the garage over to food storage) has made the road less travelled extremely slippery. And my grip upon it has been weak, at times.

Anyway, I've parked the VANWIDEs on the Shelf Of Doom. They were compounding my mental miasma; like a sewer inspector, I was very much going through the motions with them. Doing them because I was doing them. A beginning with no end. They're still there, lurking. But they'll have to wait. No more than a lot of things have had to do in this year.

So, in all this, and probably something I should have written three paragraphs up; I've gone back to the layout.It's still bare boards. But the trackwork is now complete.
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Barring the fiddle yard, but I think I have enough left over from the reconfiguration to allocate there.

I have turned my attention (I've probably lost yours...) over to thoughts of point control. It will be manual. I have added droppers to the ends of the blades, in order to put the mechanism below the baseboard:
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but now (typically, I'm useless at making decisions) I'm toying with the idea of making the wire in tube runs above the surface rather than below (they're all going to be buried in DAS (or similar) at some stage, anyway).

Nothing new here, of course. Instantly recognisable to aged millinery purveyors. But in order to take up the difference in throw between the point blade against the stock rail (1.0 mm) and the travel of the DPDT slide switch (3.5 mm) some 2.5 mm of accomodation has to be found. Omega Loops (I'm sure they should be on The Wall Of Crisps, alongside the Chutney Windmills) are the obvious answer, but I've never liked the mechanics of them. And then, wiffling about the internet last week, I came across a post by Paul Gittins Over There on the system he's used on Braynerts Sidings. So I contacted Paul. and he very kindly sent me chapter and verse on How He Did It.

So, having the DPDT switches already, and a suitable selection of Albion Alloys non-ferrous stcok to hand, the only thing I needed (here, I'm assuming my mojo has returned, rather than got stuck here due to not being allowed anywhere else..) was compression springs. I couldn't find any (and here, a previous life as a teleprinter mechanic sent me into daydreams about endless grey shelves filled with every small spring you could possibley imagine..) of a suitable size, so set about trying t make my own. And this is where I am now. I'll spare you more words, and let the pictures plot progress:
Take 1: Upper: 0.4 mm PB wire around a plastic tube: proof of concept, mostly. Lower: A longer pitch, using a slotted screw:
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Take 29a) A (sort of) jig:
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Take 2 (b): It's a wind-up:
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Take 3: The completed prototype
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Not bad, even if I do say so myself. Plenty of accomodation for switch throw, here.
The plan now is to make end plates to compress the spring, and interal support sleeves, to ensure that the action of the mechanism stays aligned. 2 of these each for each spring. And then there's the two bits of wire to add to them - one end goes back to the switch tab, the other to the point. I'll try to make a drawing (it's far easier to explain that way - suffice it to say that there will be a disconnect (~3.0 mm) in the middle of the spring.

Anyway, thanks for listening. I'm happy to be here. That's a good thing (for me, anyway... :) ).

Peace

Jan
 

jonte

Western Thunderer
Welcome back, Jan, and apologies for being late to the do, besides regular checks herein to herald your return.

I recall you mentioning about a pending commitment, mid-summer’ish’, so gathered there might have been a hiatus in proceedings. So glad to read of your return to the forum and that in turn the mojo has returned to you - or so it would seem.

And what a return.....loving the screw-thread jig. Clever.

I tried the springy Omega loop myself once - I do prefer mechanical TOUs - but it was rubbish. No change there then. This, on the other hand, looks the business.

Your point building and now operation is really interesting, and your layout of proceedings easy to follow - paramount to me! - and your signature waxing of the lyric, as alluded to by Brian - as always is a bonus.

Thanks for sharing, Jan, and looking forward to the next instalment.

Best.

Jonte
 

Lyndhurstman

Western Thunderer
Welcome back, Jan, and apologies for being late to the do, besides regular checks herein to herald your return.

I recall you mentioning about a pending commitment, mid-summer’ish’, so gathered there might have been a hiatus in proceedings. So glad to read of your return to the forum and that in turn the mojo has returned to you - or so it would seem.

And what a return.....loving the screw-thread jig. Clever.

I tried the springy Omega loop myself once - I do prefer mechanical TOUs - but it was rubbish. No change there then. This, on the other hand, looks the business.

Your point building and now operation is really interesting, and your layout of proceedings easy to follow - paramount to me! - and your signature waxing of the lyric, as alluded to by Brian - as always is a bonus.

Thanks for sharing, Jan, and looking forward to the next instalment.

Best.

Jonte

Hello Jonte
Thank you. Appreciated, mightily. Fret not about checking in on time; I only dropped in to say hello and share my minor success in putting a spring in my step. As for the writing; I must admit to being a frustrated scribe (apparently, we all have a book in us, but in my case, not even a truckload of senna pods could shift the tome clogging up my constitution ).

Thanks too, for your kind comments regarding my somewhat sporadic - and sketchy - output. I’ll try to keep on track.

Cheers

Jan
 
Y4 No. 33 - Adventures in CAD

Lyndhurstman

Western Thunderer
Tinkering towards a Y4 Art Thou?
CAD (in our case Computer Aided Doodling) comes - knuckles dragging, picking at sticks, fascinated by its own reflection - to the Wharf.
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This is - in theory - a Y4 (in old money, a B74).
She will be No. 33 (ex-Departmental at Stratford, formerly 68129). Scrapped in 1963, she was the last of steam at Stratford. Along with J15 65445 - she would also be the last of steam on the Blackwall line, being scrapped by A. King & Co., Norwich, who had taken over the yard old GNR warehouse at Blackwall for breaking purposes.

The basis of the loco is the wonderful set of drawings published by the GERS. I’m using TinkerCAD, because it seemed promising at the beginning. It’s not so bad, really - trying to remember which workplane I did what in, and scooping up all the pieces in order to move them about, is a bit fiddly. As is trying to get centred on the bit I want to work on (I daresay there’s some enlightenment online, but staring at PCs all day makes me loathe to stare at them on my day off...). But it’s coming along; this is the first time I’ve been back to it in 18 months, and I obviously didn’t forget everything. I’m not looking forward to the front windows, though. Or the square topped firebox ...

Cheers

Jan
 

Lyndhurstman

Western Thunderer
Windows Failure

Well, the Y4 twist and shout continues. It’s going somewhere. I think. It might yet be the Recycle Bin!
The square top of the firebox hasn’t given too much in the way of problems; it’s just a solid cube, with curved corners, with two thirds of its depth hidden by a ‘hole’. It’s magic, making things disappear...

That was the easy bit. The last few sessions have seen the Design Dept. trying to get to grips with the sad, tillable, eyes of the front cab windows: https://flic.kr/p/XkDTFY. We’ve got this far:
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... which looks somewhere close, but lacks the correct width. This is made up of 9 different shapes (5 holes, and 4 solids):
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... and try as we might, we just can’t seem to find a place where the half-ellipse hole - that serves to form the top of the window aperture running parallel to the roof curve - can be trimmed vertically at its left and right extremities, and at the same time extend the sides (and the roof arc) out be a few more inches. The extremes of the ellipse hole can’t be removed. Or filled in. At least that’s our current understanding... More learning needed, possibly. And thinking. Or a shift across to the brass kit of parts that sit close by... Frustrating, but not the end of the World.

Cheers

Jan
 

AdeMoore

Western Thunderer
I’ve no. Idea Jan but toying with doing the something similar to obtain a Southern G6. So watching with interest.
I dare say it would be worth putting a post up in help & tips? Or whatever it’s called!
Or over on RMweb if you venture there.
I know Dave Sutton aka Chris P Bacon uses it and is on there.
All the best with it.
Ade
 

Lyndhurstman

Western Thunderer
I’ve no. Idea Jan but toying with doing the something similar to obtain a Southern G6. So watching with interest.
I dare say it would be worth putting a post up in help & tips? Or whatever it’s called!
Or over on RMweb if you venture there.
I know Dave Sutton aka Chris P Bacon uses it and is on there.
All the best with it.
Ade

Hello @AdeMoore

Thanks for your interest. I must admit that - after a lifetime of education - I'm not the best student... and watching poorly-titled YT videos you click on for enlightenment, but that just show you stuff you already know frustrates the stuffing out of me.. If nothing jumps out at me in the near future, I may well wander over to CAD Corner..

Chees

Jan
 

AJC

Western Thunderer
Hello Jan,

You have my sympathy. I reckon that I’d have given up the attempt and stuck a copy of the drawing onto some brass sheet and whittled it out with the piercing saw by now so I admire your persistence!

That slightly tongue in cheek observation on my own impatience aside, I wonder whether the CAD learning curve might be better used by doing battle with the area where precision is imperative, i.e., the frames and motion. Not coincidentally I imagine most of the shapes will be simpler too?

I do like Y4s as they’re most in-GER like in many ways. None of this decorous nonsense. Much like what became the J70 - outside valve gear, chunky and cute all at once.

Adam
 
Y4 No 33

Lyndhurstman

Western Thunderer
Hello @AJC Adam

Thanks :) I too have a soft spot for these rugged beasts; the 17x20in cylinders made them powerful bits of kit, and their short wheelbase was well suited to wobbling around the plethora of stubs peppered around East End.

I do have a fallback..
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...but this has no motion, either. So I was going to make the Walschearts (the bugbear with these things is the lifting link sits in a hole in the sidetank... ) anyway - but this purchase is reasonably recent (maybe this year; maybe last..) and I was hoping to see how tricksy CAD was before I put on my armbands and dived in to metalwork..

Cheers

Jan
 
VANWIDE

Lyndhurstman

Western Thunderer
Boxed Off
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Almost two years after starting them, the VANWIDE sextet are finished. Sighs of relief aplenty around the Works, and a few bitters quaffed in The Volunteer Arms. A lot has gone on in the outside world in that time, and thanks must be given to a whole host of deities (we’re a veeery broad church here) for our continued survival.
The final act - barring the hiding of the timesheets of those involved in this sorry tale - was the application of numbers and letters from Modelmaster. This late act served to underline how ill-suited we are to batch builds. Shameful for a commercial concern such as ours attempts to be, of course, but we’re much better suited to the more singular cast-offs and discards that pop up from time to time. Of which, more anon. No Queues, though.

Our best to you all

Jan

obo Watkins Wharf Wagon Works
 
SR 8T 9ft WB

Lyndhurstman

Western Thunderer
Post-Cambrian

In reworking one of several diversions that enabled the VANWIDEs to be completed, Watkins Wharf found itself south of the River, renovating a Cambrian SR Unfitted 8 Plank, 9ft WB.

A cheap purchase from a Works outing in the West Country, her original chassis was so far out of true, it wouldn’t sit right, so it went into Works for dismantling (we get through a fair amount of Swann Morton 11 usage in these instances), and in the meantime a new chassis was sourced from the very helpful Cambrian.

A new sub-base from 20thou plasticard was added to represent the floor planking (the original was a mess of rounded misshapen afters, so it was rendered flat).

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… which gave us something to mate with the new solebars…

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… we made an interpretative error, here. Our sources - less than clear - suggested a cross shaft between the opposing side ‘Freighter’ brakes, but we’ve subsequently identified they were independent. We decided to leave the crosshaft in, as it is a useful interim handling aid. It will be removed once The Paint Shop Boys have done added their finesse. In our defence, we have hunted high and low for a copy of Volume Four of Messrs. Bixley, Blackburn, Chorley and King, but Accounts won’t honour payments that they consider Beyond Reason. Maybe we can have a whip round…

As a result of the large accommodation hole required for the coupling hooks, the buffer beams were found to be excessively fragile, and thus the decision was made for them to held straight with a couple of pieces of 0.60” plasticard.

Brake safety loops were the usual staples, and sunk into holes drilled into the chassis.

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Buffers and hooks from LMS, door bangers from 51L. Brake levers from Wizard (or 51L… lines of demarcation blur at this remove…), in Bill Bedford guides.

We tried to push ourselves on this one, despite her plainness, and attempted to add the strapping around the top edge of the body, using some thinly-sliced Plasticard, and made a porcine auris of the tiny restraining clips that hold it down.

Once the minor additions have been made, she will be rendered as Well Used But Serviceable by TPSB.

Our Best To You All

Jan

obo Watkins Wharf Wagon Works
 

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AJC

Western Thunderer
The 8 plank open was one of the finer eccentricities of the Southern, I’ve always thought, (along with the three bulb feather on colour light signals), and that’s a nice example. I thought the capping clips were quite neat myself… good to see you back, by the way.

Adam
 

Lyndhurstman

Western Thunderer
The 8 plank open was one of the finer eccentricities of the Southern, I’ve always thought, (along with the three bulb feather on colour light signals), and that’s a nice example. I thought the capping clips were quite neat myself… good to see you back, by the way.

Adam
Hello Adam,
Thanks. I must admit to being a tad trepidatious about bringing something Southern here, knowing your peculiar proclivities for these things. I’m very grateful for your kind words of encouragement. And the welcome home..

They are quite strange. Cupboard doors always seem odd to me on wagons. And BR seems to have shared that view with the 1/112… But - as you note - the Southern were pushing the boundaries (of eccentricity, if nothing else!). Still not completely sure about Freighter brakes, though. Not seen a reference to those before. Every day’s a school day…

Thanks again

Cheers

Jan
 

Lyndhurstman

Western Thunderer
They are quite strange. Cupboard doors always seem odd to me on wagons. And BR seems to have shared that view with the 1/112… But - as you note - the Southern were pushing the boundaries (of eccentricity, if nothing else!). Still not completely sure about Freighter brakes, though. Not seen a reference to those before. Every day’s a school day…

Thanks again

Cheers

Jan

Ah… from what I have gleaned from a quick scour over on The Other Place (including comment from the mighty craigwelsh) “Freighter brakes” were the description used to identify the SR’s RCH-compliant unfitted response.

Cheers

Jan
 

Lyndhurstman

Western Thunderer
Hill Walking

Stuttering steps, in the wrong socks. Having gone around and around in TinkerCAD, the box of brass became more and more attractive. Thus, in the space over Christmas 202o, a start was made.

Via the GERS drawing, it very quickly became apparent that something was awry:
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The Running Plate - a wonderful reimagining of some scrap fret by the previous builder - was some 1'6" too long in real money. This was addressed using the Exacto cuting guide, with the Running Plate resting on some HSS steel bars:
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New buffer beams were cut from NS sheet.

The boiler was also incorrectly sized; the cunning use of a piece of central heating pipe sadly resulted in a barrel 6" too small in diameter.
Thanks to the generosity of @lankytank the correct size was soon in place:
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Attention then turned to the Firebox; after a back-of-a-fag-packet calcualtion, a simple wraparound a suitably-sized drill shank resulted in the required shape:
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The ends (throat and backhead) were added using lead sheet of a suitable thickness, soldered in place with 70 degree lowmelt:
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..the curves of which were shaped with a scraper made from scrap brass:

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..with the motor aperture being fretted out:

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The resulting box was offered up to the boiler/smokebox assembly and tacked to the footplate:

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Attention then turned to the cab front:
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Lots of painful curves, here. The distinctive 'sad eye' look of these engines took some calculating and transference. A nice sharp set of dividers was key, here. The it was out with the fret saw and files:

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Some more filing, a lot of cussing, and a few hours away from the bench resulted in something that looked the part:
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The sidetanks were relatively straightforward, the only oddity being that it was decided to model the hole of the bunker on the Fireman's side of the cab:

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...and that seems like a logical place to stop. The next post will add detail on the cab rear.

Most enjoyable, and - as a first attempt at a scratchbuild - going well. But We haven't attempted the Walschearts valve gear, yet!

Cheers

Jan
 
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