MMP 16 ton mineral wagon kit

hrmspaul

Western Thunderer
Hi Overseer,

I plan to build a few of these and the period I model is the early fifties. I intended to run mine in the bauxite livery as you've mentioned along with some M.W.T liveried wagons. As you say though by the mid fifties try would have been grey, although I'm sure some would have escaped re painting. I would of thought you could get away with either depending which way you look at it? Looking forward to seeing the finished wagon,

ATB Mick

Personally, I would keep it in red simply because it makes for something different amongst the grey minerals. I've done the same with painting a Lionheart wooden mineral; it really stands out having a red oxide finish as the basis (in this case as an ex PO wagon).

Paul Bartlett
 

djparkins

Western Thunderer
I was getting at working from drawings and converting that to 2d CAD, then working out tabs and slots, how everything will fold, the order it should be built, that sort of thing. But I guess most of that comes with experience.

I don't convert drawings - I only use them for reference and you should NEVER scale drawings anyway. Its the first rule of engineering. I draw everything from the ground up [obviously you then build up a library of completed parts which are often used over and often over again]. I have absolutely no game plan beyond vague ideas at the beginning of a project. It is designed 'on the hoof' and I only really have around a 10-15% clear vision of how the thing will look. I just go along using serendipity [the process of happy discovery] and then back-revise as I need.

Parts are drawn and oulined and tagged as I go and then revised as ideas come - courtesy of Miles Davis [or whichever jazz musician is on the CD player] dictates! I hear of people who plan their kits out in advance but I feel that just gets in the way of free-thinking and I would hate that. Thats why I try never to look closely at other peoples work. I use a stripped down ancient CAD programme with only the features that I use showing [probably less than 2% of those available] as I don't want anything getting in the way of my mental processes [such as those my brain is still capable of!!!]. I never understand the complexity of the pocesses some of you guys go through to prepare etching design work - just seems like overkill to me - or the discussion about whether Version 123c of some software is better than 123d. Its all more than capable of doing what you want and its the Mk.1 human brain that designs the kit.

As for 'lead time' - seven years for some of the Mk.1 coaches [if its what I think it is] - I don't really know what a lead time is [it sounds like some kind of modern day buisness-speak thing] - I don't work to any deadlines, shows or pressures. I have 30+ projects on the go at any one time and move between them as I feel like it - so I do not work on things in a linear fashion. I might be working on a set of rifle bayonets or ship parts one day and a BAe Hawk Detail Set or a wagon the next. I think I drew the body for out Mk.1 RB in 2003 - and its still not out. We made the casting masters for our Sprinter kits in 1988 and those aren't out yet either!

When something is finished it is finished and some things I work on never get released as I lose interest. I understand that Leonard Cohen wrote over 90 verses to Hallelujah but only regularly uses eight in two versions of the song. Sometimes projects just don't seem to wok out. I certainly do not rush to get a new project in for etching. Some sit there for a year or more. I like to live with them and make sure they ARE finished. It also depends if there are buzzards & bats or other interesting things to watch outside!

We also don't have test etches as such, as prior to etching the fit has already been tested with 28mm:ft card assemblies - so we go straight to initial stocking quantities [and among manufacturers I know I am by no means unique in this regard]. We put in batches of around 30-50 new photo tools across the ranges at once for plotting, to get the max. price advantage and these come back to us for review prior to forwarding them to the etcher - this is not the same company as we then retain full ownership of the films and so can move them to be etched by someone else if needed.

So there you have it - I think I have answered your questions but anyway I have no more answers to give!

Regards,

DJP
 

Overseer

Western Thunderer
DJP's mode of working sounds just like my modelling. My current record from start to finish is 21 years, although there are some unfinished lurkers which could stretch that out...... It is always easier to start something new. Modelling is good therapy, a relief from work deadlines and real world things I have to do. My main reason for joining WT was to 'use' it to inspire me to get some things finished, such as the early 1950s BR mineral wagons I have been assembling on and off for the last 3 or 4 years - to deliver coal to a gas works or lunatic asylum, haven't decided which I will end up with yet. Only a few wagons should be needed but there are already more than a few. Railway Bylines is particularly bad at leading me astray with close up photos of possible prototypes. The 16T will have to fit in with the other wagons, none of which are currently finished. I plan to start a new thread for these but in the meantime here are some of the disreputable crew, still a long way from completion. The paintwork and weathering are ongoing experiments. The Bolsover wagon won't remain on top of the steel framed wagon, as soon as it has wheels it will be on the track.

FB wagon Bolsover 1.jpg
 
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SteveO

Guest
I read your post, David, before I went to bed and found it most interesting. My first thought was wondering how many more projects are lurking under your desk screaming to see the light of day? I think you could make a good living selling tickets to your workshop!

I'm also a Cohen fan, but I much prefer it when somebody else sings his songs. Hallelujah is one my favourite songs ever, but not sung by him. Have a listen to this version by Jeff Buckley. It is beauty itself.
 
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SteveO

Guest
So, yes, back to modelling. And music. Did anyone check out the YouTube link? Beautiful version of a great song.
 

BrushType4

Western Thunderer
David,

I would like to see some pictures of your 28mm to the foot card mock ups if you don't mind? Just out of interest. :)
 

djparkins

Western Thunderer
David,

I would like to see some pictures of your 28mm to the foot card mock ups if you don't mind? Just out of interest. :)

Dont have any - we shred them when finished to use as packing material. They are nothing special just lines on white paper mounted on card 4 x the thickness of the brass.
 

Dikitriki

Flying Squad
Hi

I have deleted all references to VAT. While I am quite happy to debate the tax system - hey, I make a living out of it - I don't think this is an appropriate place, nor is it fair to the OP who must be wondering what is going on.

So, MMP kits and modelling only please.

Thanks.

Richard
 

ZiderHead

Western Thunderer
Any decent excuses for painting 16T in anything other than grey in 1970 WR? Departmental use perhaps?
 

Overseer

Western Thunderer
Just a quick update. Some photos of very nearly complete Diag. 2134 16T mineral wagon. I have made some changes from the kit, but not too many. Also a comparison with an incomplete Parkside Dundas kit. Any questions, just ask. I will post more on what I have done when I get some time spare. Thanks for the positive comments on the first post.

FB MMP 16t2.jpgFB MMP 16t3.jpgFB 16t comp2.jpg
 
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