Suffolk Dave
Western Thunderer
Your approach to painting the brickwork has produced great results.
MOVING COAL - A Colliery Layout in 0 Gauge
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BetweenTheTunnels
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Simon,
Do you mean it now has uneven wavy brick courses ... or that it used to and doesn't now?
Richie
PhilH
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The progress so far on the loco shed with gutters, downpipes and windows added.
The gutters are K&S 4mm x 3mm brass channel with the sides cut down to 2mm high and a 1mm x 10 thou strip soldered on the top outside edge. The rather rough edge of the hardboard roof will be hidden by the roof covering.
The gutters are supported on brackets of brass wire with the ends flattened and soldered to the underside of the channel, then fixed in pre-drilled holes - shown just before they're pushed into position with a dab of super glue on the wires.
Downpipes are 2.5mm brass tube with Modelu brackets, fixed with brass wires hidden behind the brackets as shown previously with the weighbridge office. The window frames on the prototype are metal with a very thin frame round the outside, when I cut out the window openings that's something I should have been aiming for, but missed !
Window glazing on the visible side is 1mm perspex.tbc
PhilH
Western Thunderer
The loco shed now has a roof - galvanised corrugated iron sheets with asbestos cement ridge and end caps. I had a choice of Slaters, which I've used before, or Plastruct sheets. The latter have a wider spacing for the corrugations, approx. scale 4", despite the fact that they are to a smaller scale (1:48), while the Slaters are nearer to the required 3". However the Plastruct have a more pronounced corrugation (more "wriggly") than the Slaters. After a lot of humming and hawing (that looks strange when you write it down, but you get the drift) I plumped on the Plastruct.
The sheets were cut out and painted individually, sprayed with plastic primer both sides and then a mixture of Humbrol Gunmetal and light grey sprayed on top to give some slight variation between the sheets. I thought the Gunmetal would give a slight metallic finish to represent weathered galvanised steel. Fixings are Grandt Line NBWs which I happened to have in stock. The sheets are too thick to overlap at the joints, so I butt joined the sheets with a 10 thou strip of Plastikard under one side to give the impression of an overlap. The bottom edges of the sheets were chamfered underneath at 45 degrees to reduce the visible thickness. The idea of painting the sheets on the rear was to give a bit more grip to the adhesive than the original plastic surface and the sheets were fixed with Aleene's Tacky Glue which gives a fairly quick fix.
The joints between the sheets were laid to appear more prominent from the rear of the shed, which is the normal view when the layout is in operation.
Ridge and end caps are formed from 10 thou brass sheet, with a strip of 5 thou brass added to one end of each ridge cap for the joints. Shown here in grey etch primer.
I had a rough idea of the final colour required for the asbestos cement as my garage is roofed with the stuff ! They were all fixed in position with Araldite.
The only remaining job on the shed is the sliding doors with the horseshoe shaped door hangers.
The site for the loco shed. The chimney and gable ends are resin casting by Skytrex, now finish painted and the brickwork pointed but not yet fixed in place. Most of the gable ends and the H&M point motor on the left will be hidden from view behind the loco shed.
tbc
PhilH
Western Thunderer
Maybe this post should be titled "Guilty Pleasures", defined as something you like but isn't really appropriate for the situation.
In addition to locomotives appropriate to the rather vague theme of Lancashire Colliery railways outlined in the introduction to this topic, I have to admit that other less appropriate locomotives are occasionally used on the layout, including the following:
The Ixion Hudswell Clarke. No doubt the weathering experts won't like this one, but officially its only use is for visitors to operate, a very smooth runner and slightly lower in height than the other locos so it will just fit under the screens. If its accidentally run under the screens while loading wagons (usually prevented by dead track sections which should normally be switched out) it won't cause any damage. Its fitted with a Zimo MX645 decoder and stay alive capacitors.
I didn't think much of the original chimney so a replacement has been made and fitted, and a few extra cab details added, such as brass water gauge castings.
Original chimney right, new chimney left, prototype chimney centre inset.
The Beyer-Garratt, for which I can claim absolutely no responsibility except paying (quite a lot) for it. The loco was built by Paul Berntsen of New Zealand, originally for his own use but redundant when he changed his layout to narrow gauge. Its not yet converted to DCC so hasn't seen use on the layout since that was changed to DCC, and I'm quite loathe to dismantle it to fit DCC. Being a Mancunian by birth and brought up just a stones throw (assuming you could chuck a stone 1/4 mile) from the Beyer Peacock Works it seemed a rather appropriate purchase at the time, about 20 years ago.
The BR Class 04 built from a Vulcan Kit and mainly cast whitemetal. I'm not a great fan of BR diesels but quite like these, and it does have a "chimney" ! It tends to be used only occasionally, more for amusement than anything else with its gear changing noises and two tone horn. The NCB did have some of these and it could have been done in NCB livery, although most were in the NCB South Yorkshire Area and there were none in Lancashire. It has a Mashima motor with a Slaters gearbox and Slaters wheels. Current collection is by plunger pick-ups and you can just see one peeping out from behind the front wheel. Its fitted with a Zimo MX645 decoder, sugar cube speaker and stay alive capacitors.
In addition to locomotives appropriate to the rather vague theme of Lancashire Colliery railways outlined in the introduction to this topic, I have to admit that other less appropriate locomotives are occasionally used on the layout, including the following:
The Ixion Hudswell Clarke. No doubt the weathering experts won't like this one, but officially its only use is for visitors to operate, a very smooth runner and slightly lower in height than the other locos so it will just fit under the screens. If its accidentally run under the screens while loading wagons (usually prevented by dead track sections which should normally be switched out) it won't cause any damage. Its fitted with a Zimo MX645 decoder and stay alive capacitors.
I didn't think much of the original chimney so a replacement has been made and fitted, and a few extra cab details added, such as brass water gauge castings.
Original chimney right, new chimney left, prototype chimney centre inset.
The Beyer-Garratt, for which I can claim absolutely no responsibility except paying (quite a lot) for it. The loco was built by Paul Berntsen of New Zealand, originally for his own use but redundant when he changed his layout to narrow gauge. Its not yet converted to DCC so hasn't seen use on the layout since that was changed to DCC, and I'm quite loathe to dismantle it to fit DCC. Being a Mancunian by birth and brought up just a stones throw (assuming you could chuck a stone 1/4 mile) from the Beyer Peacock Works it seemed a rather appropriate purchase at the time, about 20 years ago.
The BR Class 04 built from a Vulcan Kit and mainly cast whitemetal. I'm not a great fan of BR diesels but quite like these, and it does have a "chimney" ! It tends to be used only occasionally, more for amusement than anything else with its gear changing noises and two tone horn. The NCB did have some of these and it could have been done in NCB livery, although most were in the NCB South Yorkshire Area and there were none in Lancashire. It has a Mashima motor with a Slaters gearbox and Slaters wheels. Current collection is by plunger pick-ups and you can just see one peeping out from behind the front wheel. Its fitted with a Zimo MX645 decoder, sugar cube speaker and stay alive capacitors.
PhilH
Western Thunderer
daifly
Western Thunderer
Two pages of Vivian & Sons Beyer-Garratt no.10 here:
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Dave
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michael mott
Western Thunderer
I concur with Larry Phil, I looked at your brickwork for a long time, some of the most subtle painting I have seen depicting brickwork, beautiful work!
Michael
Michael
PhilH
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The brickwork on the large low relief building next to the overbridge has reached the "That will have to do" stage.
It came out a bit darker than the adjacent overbridge but it matches the chimney next to it on the left hand side (see first photo) which is more important. Unfortunately with the way I do brickwork you're never really sure of the final result until you get there, even using the same paints and materials, and the overbridge was done a very long time ago.
This is the prototype building its based on, from a photo in "Greater Manchester's Past Revealed 15 - Gin Pit the archaeology of an historic coal mining settlement" published by Oxford Archaeology Ltd. This was the result of a survey done in 2005-7 just before the building was demolished to make way for new housing development. It was once part of the NCB's Gin Central Workshops complex which built new machinery and carried out repairs, including locomotive repairs, for collieries in the Manchester Area. The workshops were closed c1966 and any work required by the diminishing number of collieries concentrated at the nearby Walkden Central Workshops. Thereafter the workshops complex was used by a firm of steel fabricators but it had been empty and derelict for some time before the survey.
The top opening in the central section was for a doorway instead of a window. The holes in the brickwork just below the opening would have been for horizontal supports for a platform extending out of the building, with further diagonal supports from their outer ends to rest on the stone blocks each side of the lower opening. Presumably a crane beam would have been slid out above the doorway to enable items to be lifted up to the top of the building.
garratt396
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The Paul Bersten model is of the first one for Vivians. Subsequent ones ha a different brake arrangement, a central column under the boiler, and other variations.
I recall Shedmaster had this particular model for sale at a Manchester exhibition many years ago - long before the kit.
Subsquent changes at V&S had the garratt moved up to Middlesborough (IMI ?) where it was under utilised.
I built one in 0 gauge, partly from Acorn kit. It is not painted yet, I fancy the natural livery for garratts - black with a silver smoke box.
We shall see.
David
PhilH
Western Thunderer
Thanks Alan, the layout is 7mm scale.
Giles
Western Thunderer
Yes, but the rear tank is effectively one from the later batch - I.e. Sneyd Colliery - with the reduced water capacity.... hence my confusion..