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Simon Dunkley

Guest
MRJ 206

And yet, not being an expert or anything like that on the Westerns, I found the photo of D 1011 inspiring enough to send me into the garage tomorrow to complete the tidying up, and then do some G1 modelling rather than S.

Oh well, one man's meat is another man's fish...

Mind you, was somewhat surprised that finescale railway modellers should need telling how to paint the inside of open wagons: just look at some photos, or preserved wagons, and model them...
 

28ten

Guv'nor
MRJ 206

Simon Dunkley said:
Oh well, one man's meat is another man's fish...
Too true  :))
I am a great fan of Martyn's work, but I have spent hours and hours looking at photos of Wezzies so I probably am quite hard to please, although when I saw the model at Telford last year I thought the same thing.
Still it was a good issue and I enjoyed Peter Kazers article, its a shame I cant be as productive!
 

Neil

Western Thunderer
MRJ 206

I too enjoyed this issue, (can't comment about the Western, know didley squat about them) especially the lovely Manning Wardles Peter Kazer built for Boot. However did anyone else find strange the concept of last layout at only sixty five. It seems only one short step to saying one's too old to get jiggy with the missus, that Greenwoods cardigans look comfy, wouldn't a Suzuki Wagon R be practical and it'd be a good idea to check into one of those god awful retirement communities. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh.
 

28ten

Guv'nor
MRJ 206

Neil said:
I too enjoyed this issue, (can't comment about the Western, know didley squat about them) especially the lovely Manning Wardles Peter Kazer built for Boot. However did anyone else find strange the concept of last layout at only sixty five. It seems only one short step to saying one's too old to get jiggy with the missus, that Greenwoods cardigans look comfy, wouldn't a Suzuki Wagon R be practical and it'd be a good idea to check into one of those god awful retirement communities. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh.
Yeah, I know what you mean, maybe it is because he builds layouts as a whole rather than individual models, if you think about it  Sid Stubbs is 90 odd and still knocking out models, so there is no real retirement age. I could understand if he was saying no more exhibitions as there is a lot more work involved in travel and preparation.
I have just checked out those Greenwood cardigans and they do look ust the job for the winter  ;D
 

Phill Dyson

Western Thunderer
MRJ 206

I bought the last issue on the strength of the thread here last month  :thumbs:, I will have to check this issue out too  ..........I'm intrigued by the Western  :scratch:, is it the same one that a link was posted to a while ago ?

Phill  :wave:
 
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Simon Dunkley

Guest
MRJ 206

Neil said:
However did anyone else find strange the concept of last layout at only sixty five.
Yes, and he is such a sane and rational person.
It seems only one short step to saying one's too old to get jiggy with the missus,
It has been reported that sex in one's mid-seventies can be rather pleasant.
Just 30 years to wait, then...
 

bogusman

Western Thunderer
MRJ 206

I just hope that they keep the standard at this level unlike 2 issues ago (If I wanted a timetable I would of gone to my local station).

Pete
 

david bigcheeseplant

Western Thunderer
MRJ 207 out now

I have just picked up MRJ 207 from Wild Swan headquarters it’s on time!
Contents include:
Small Suppliers Forum
Whitchurch Road by Paul Bambrick
Fencehouses by Les Walters
MRJ Portfolio
Locomotives of Dunwich part 3 by Roy Jackson
Aylesbury Town Engine Shed by David Lane
A wall for Wycombe by Tim Peacock
MRJ Portfolio
Letters
Diary
 

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Simon

Flying Squad
MRJ 207 out now

Excellent issue, now in stock at the best little bookshop in the West :))

I will save David's blushes by letting everyone know that he is the guest editor this issue, and a very good job he has made of it too :thumbs: :thumbs:

Apart from great modelling, the editorial is well written, relevant to the modelling scene and makes some very good points, in my opinion.

I found myself agreeing 100% with what you said David, extremely well put and very encouraging regarding the future of both MRJ and railway modelling.

Top issue and thanks and congratulations  from this reader in Bath.

Simon Castens

PS. Good luck with Railex next week too (not that you need it) lots of people I spoke to at the weekend are very much looking forward to it. Unfortunately I can't get across owing to family committments etc but will make the trip one of these years.
 

marsa69

Western Thunderer
MRJ 207 out now

Not had the pleasure of reading the MRJ for a while but a suggestion if I may for the forum? Would it not be better to place all the MRJ threads into a single thread and 'sticky' it to the top of the resource forum? Like that it places it all in one place and as the MRJ is an ongoing issue one that is going to be accessed regularly,

best regards,

Mark
 

Dan Randall

Western Thunderer
MRJ 207 out now

Simon said:
Excellent issue, now in stock at the best little bookshop in the West :))

I will save David's blushes by letting everyone know that he is the guest editor this issue, and a very good job he has made of it too :thumbs: :thumbs:

Apart from great modelling, the editorial is well written, relevant to the modelling scene and makes some very good points, in my opinion.

I found myself agreeing 100% with what you said David, extremely well put and very encouraging regarding the future of both MRJ and railway modelling.

Top issue and thanks and congratulations  from this reader in Bath.

Simon Castens

PS. Good luck with Railex next week too (not that you need it) lots of people I spoke to at the weekend are very much looking forward to it. Unfortunately I can't get across owing to family committments etc but will make the trip one of these years.

In total agreement with Simon about the latest issue, so it's a big thumbs up from me too David.  :thumbs:

Even though I'm a dyed-in-the-wool BR Western Region man, I thought Whitchurch Road looked pretty damned impressive!

The articles on laser cutting are of great interest to me too, as it's something I'm currently working on some drawings for.  I'm also dabbling with some 3D stuff as well, but that's another story.  ;)

Unfortunately, I've only been able to have a quick flick through it since Postie turned up earlier, but am looking forward to a proper read later.  :)


Regards

Dan
 

Eastsidepilot

Western Thunderer
MRJ 208

After a recent thread on WT about kits"being doomed", but common sense prevailing and the majority of us saying "It won't stop me mate" it was nice to read an article in the latest MRJ, by Geoff Holt, entitled "In Defence of a Dying Art" standing up for scratch building, now thats more like it MRJ. :thumbs:
I won't go into detail of the other articles but all in all a good copy this time.

ATB, Col 
 

28ten

Guv'nor
MRJ 208

eastsidepilot said:
After a recent thread on WT about kits"being doomed", but common sense prevailing and the majority of us saying "It won't stop me mate" it was nice to read an article in the latest MRJ, by Geoff Holt, entitled "In Defence of a Dying Art" standing up for scratch building, now thats more like it MRJ. :thumbs:
I won't go into detail of the other articles but all in all a good copy this time.

ATB, Col

Yes interesting article, it looks like the first of a series as it ends rather abruptly.
The picture of Wadebridge is a corker as well, the only negative point is the shot on the front cover isnt that great. It is also nice feel that MRJ is having a mini renaissance after some less than stellar issues in the last 18 months  :thumbs:
 

Eastsidepilot

Western Thunderer
MRJ 208

28ten said:
Yes interesting article, it looks like the first of a series as it ends rather abruptly.
The picture of Wadebridge is a corker as well, the only negative point is the shot on the front cover isnt that great. It is also nice feel that MRJ is having a mini renaissance after some less than stellar issues in the last 18 months  :thumbs:
A lot can be gleaned from pic's like that even though it's a B/W photo. I agree with you about the front cover, I hate shiny buffers :headbang: to start with.
Let's hope we're going to see an improvement with MRJ :scratch: I know a lot depends on them having the articles and material supplied, but I do know of a very accomplished modeller who submitted an extremly well built S7 layout, with superb stock, as an article some years back and they would not publish it.....Why? :mad:

Col.
 
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Simon Dunkley

Guest
MRJ 208

eastsidepilot said:
but I do know of a very accomplished modeller who submitted an extremely well built S7 layout, with superb stock, as an article some years back and they would not publish it.....Why? :mad:
Based on personal experience with a past ("permanent") occupant, and also from similar tales from friends, the then editor was rather selective about what he put in generally, and with respect to S7 even more so: "The only S7 layout of interest is Dewsbury" is a comment that was reported back to me by someone with a high quality S7 layout which was "rejected" by MRJ, but which has appeared in RM and a BRM annual. I suspect there was also an element of "gate keeping" going on with respect to the him and information getting to the publishers: despite me clearly stating the provenance of the Manvers Main PO wagon in G1 as being nothing to do with me, they didn't give credit where it was due (Buckjumper) and neither did they print the requested correction*. (The shots of the unpainted wagon under construction were mine, however.) I do not for one moment doubt that WSP and PK would have withheld such a correction, had they known about it: similarly for articles.

Simon

*Adrian, to his credit, was more concerned about the copyright for the photo than about the modelling. I was personally offended by being made to appear to have taken credit for someone else's work.
 

Eastsidepilot

Western Thunderer
MRJ 208

Simon,
We do get to hear of these sort of problems, usually much later and third hand, not necesarily MRJ, and I wonder if you get the same biasis in other modelling subjects, or is it just railway modelling?.

Col.
       
 

Dan Randall

Western Thunderer
MRJ 208

eastsidepilot said:
I do know of a very accomplished modeller who submitted an extremly well built S7 layout, with superb stock, as an article some years back and they would not publish it.....Why? :mad:

Col.

I like the sound of that Colin.  Could they be talked into posting some pictures on here?  I, for one, would like to see them.  :)


Regards

Dan
 

djparkins

Western Thunderer
MRJ 208

eastsidepilot said:
After a recent thread on WT about kits"being doomed", but common sense prevailing and the majority of us saying "It won't stop me mate" it was nice to read an article in the latest MRJ, by Geoff Holt, entitled "In Defence of a Dying Art" standing up for scratch building, now thats more like it MRJ. :thumbs:
I won't go into detail of the other articles but all in all a good copy this time.

ATB, Col

I thought the first letter in the Reader's Letters column in this issue also makes some good points that relate to this subject.

David Parkins
 
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Simon Dunkley

Guest
MRJ 208

djparkins said:
I thought the first letter in the Reader's Letters column in this issue also makes some good points that relate to this subject.
I agree, a good kit well-made will always out-do RTR in terms of finesse, but I suppose the point may that on a "working layout", i.e. one biased more towards operation, then it is debatable whether it is worth the extra time and effort: it depends on one's own personal balance, really, between building and operating - and indeed waffling on forums*!

*I hold to the view that forums do not prevent/distract anyone from modelling: if they wanted to do some modelling enough, they would do it rather than finding a useful distraction...

CME & Bottlewasher said:
Some mags seem very reticent in publishing such corrections, I dont know why (I suppose over work, compitence and/or ego could come into play?).
Some of it may be pressures of time and work, but a lot isn't. Magazines have an almost automatic credibility in the market place, as we always assume their editorial teams to be experts in their fields - why else would they be chosen - but an ability to deliver on the business demands of being an editor is probably more important. Obviously a strong interest in and awareness of the hobby is required. For them to print a correction would, in some eyes, erode that credibility. I take an alternative view: for them to acknowledge errors and print the correction would make me believe in them more, for I would know that if they had missed something, then it would be subject to the appropriate redress later on.

As an example, many years ago a drawing appeared in a certain model railway magazine of the GER/LNER Buckjumper. Unfortunately, not only did it have components of several different variants of the J67/69 incorporated into it, but some from the J65 and J66, and one or two items which were not found on any of those classes but do appear on some other drawings produced in the 50s! I remember seeing it and thinking it didn't look right - and I am no expert on the subject - but I am aware that Lyn Brooks of the GERS did write them a letter listing all of the mistakes. It would have taken up two full pages of the magazine, so they didn't print it. In consequence, I simply cannot take as credible any drawings produced by that particular "draughtsman", and I find the mealy-mouthed disclaimer of, "This drawing is a composite drawing taking details of many engines over the class's history, and cannot be guaranteed to be accurate for any single engine" to be disingenuous to say the least.
The sad thing, in this particular case, is that if the magazine/draughtsman concerned had contacted Lyn Brooks themselves before publishing the drawing (as Iain Rice and MRJ did) then he would have been more than helpful to them.

For the record, I don't expect any source to be 100% accurate, but I do expect them to make reasonable checks and print corrections for factual inaccuracies. Since books are somewhat different in that a correction cannot be printed two months later, or updated on a website, my expectations for thoroughness are higher. I don't think that makes me a rivet counter, either.

I have learned the hard way at work that the best thing to do when you make a boob, is to put your hand up to it and sort it out. Example conversation with CEO, which completely took the wind out of his sails:
"Simon, have you completed the report on X?"
"Er, no."
[CEO raises eyebrows and looks on expectantly as I try to think up an excuse.]
"Well... ...the simple truth is that I forgot. I'll do it as soon as I finish this."
[CEO looks slightly bemused, laughs and goes to lunch.]

Enough - I am distracting myself from having a bath (just done the gardening!) and then getting into my playroom whilst the rest of the family are out until the evening.
 

Buckjumper

Flying Squad
MRJ 208

Simon Dunkley said:
As an example, many years ago a drawing appeared in a certain model railway magazine of the GER/LNER Buckjumper. Unfortunately, not only did it have components of several different variants of the J67/69 incorporated into it, but some from the J65 and J66, and one or two items which were not found on any of those classes but do appear on some other drawings produced in the 50s!

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Which was, no doubt, the basis of this Bastardised Buck (which is one syllable away from prototypical Stratford vernacular); the photo was proudly sent to me several years ago by the proprietor of Ace Kits in an attempt to lure me into buying his wares. Those familiar with Bucks will no doubt see a multitude of features never seen together (or just plain wrong!), despite the class having more varieties than Heinz.
 

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