Heather Kay
Western Thunderer
Loving those yard lamps at Willesden, strung from the power cable!
Prototype Tim Mills' Photos
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timbowales
Western Thunderer
They were also seen in the photo of Stranraer Carriage Sidings. Must have been an LMS thing.
Martin Shaw
Western Thunderer
A couple of things,
#3993 The use of a brass star as part of the smokebox dart was quite common historically in the south of Scotland and was I'm told an adaptation of a masonic heraldic device. Whether or not that is true, there is no doubt that the masons played a significant part in life here abouts especially 60 plus years ago.
#3997 Reinforcing Adam's comment its definitely Brixton, the trains is on the Down Main (LCDR) and is passing under the bridge carrying the South London Line (LBSCR). It is obviously the Golden Arrow and therefore by default a Stewarts Lane engine. As Brian says 501 Squadron arrived at the Lane 10/4/58. Above the rear of the third coach is a bracket signal which carries Brixton Up Local starting signal with Shepherds Lane Inner Distants, one of which is visible. This signal disappeared on the 8/3/59 when the new Shepherds Lane signal box was opened. The photo must be between April 58 and March 59 and judging by the clothes of the woman and girl some time in the summer of 1958.
#3993 The use of a brass star as part of the smokebox dart was quite common historically in the south of Scotland and was I'm told an adaptation of a masonic heraldic device. Whether or not that is true, there is no doubt that the masons played a significant part in life here abouts especially 60 plus years ago.
#3997 Reinforcing Adam's comment its definitely Brixton, the trains is on the Down Main (LCDR) and is passing under the bridge carrying the South London Line (LBSCR). It is obviously the Golden Arrow and therefore by default a Stewarts Lane engine. As Brian says 501 Squadron arrived at the Lane 10/4/58. Above the rear of the third coach is a bracket signal which carries Brixton Up Local starting signal with Shepherds Lane Inner Distants, one of which is visible. This signal disappeared on the 8/3/59 when the new Shepherds Lane signal box was opened. The photo must be between April 58 and March 59 and judging by the clothes of the woman and girl some time in the summer of 1958.
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Dan Randall
Western Thunderer
Never been there, but it was the enamel BRIXTON target on the lamp post, that nailed it for me!
Regards
Dan
daifly
Western Thunderer
It looks quite similar to this view too! Same lamppost. Same enamel sign! Same concrete? slabs in the 4-foot.
Dave
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timbowales
Western Thunderer
The slabs in the 4-foot look like lids for the newly installed concrete cable troughing?
Martin Shaw
Western Thunderer
I thought it looked familiar and I realise I said more or less the same then.
Gadgie
Western Thunderer
It was lovely to see some pictures of Tyne Dock 9Fs, and 92061 in particular. You might be pleased to know she still runs (albeit reincarnated in model form, and without volcanic sound effects), and here’s a photo. A Bachmann model, EM'd, fitted with a decent set of injectors, and air pump paraphernalia.
Sorry for any thread drift…
Richard
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oldravendale
Western Thunderer
Yes, well Adam @AJC ... you are, of course, quite correct. I should have recognised that Southwold was not a possibility. Using your additional info and that of Rob @rob I've amended the commentary accordingly and will add additional details to the file.
Also I agree, those yard lamps are quite striking Heather @Heather Kay and Tim @timbowales .
Thank you for the additional comments about the 2P, Martin @Martin Shaw and also for the confirmation regarding the Brixton photo. And your eyesight is better than mine, Dan @Dan Randall - I can read the "ton" but not the "Brix". You are quite correct, Dave @daifly - we've been at the same location with a similar picture previously. Another that's well out of sequence. In truth these photos are rather a "clearing up" exercise after dealing with all the photos where I had a decent amount of info and were identified in some sort of sequence. And I agree with your comment about the concrete lids, Tim @timbowales .
No apology needed, Richard @Gadgie . I don't detect any thread drift and anyway, we quite like it when that happens.
Nice model too!
There's just one single photo today. This is without any question my favourite of all Tim's four thousand plus images whether colour or black and white and it needs to stand alone. As it's my thread Rule 1 applies - you may disagree but everything about this photo reeks atmosphere. It is one of Tim's earliest photos, from November 1957 when, I suggest, he was still getting his eye in. However, he saw that shaft of light and where others might have written the scene off as unmanageable recognised the pictorial possibilities. To my mind it's sort of "Brief Encounter - Twelve years on." In truth it may have been a difficult print to produce photographically but with the benefit of a bit of digital manipulation and a clean up it stands as an outstanding piece of work.
More prosaically it’s A3 60055 Woolwinder at the buffer stops, Kings Cross Station in November 1957. The loco had been allocated to Kings Cross Shed in June 1956 and it was withdrawn in September 1961 (SLS) going in to Doncaster Works for repair but being scrapped later the same month. (BR Database).
Brian
Also I agree, those yard lamps are quite striking Heather @Heather Kay and Tim @timbowales .
Thank you for the additional comments about the 2P, Martin @Martin Shaw and also for the confirmation regarding the Brixton photo. And your eyesight is better than mine, Dan @Dan Randall - I can read the "ton" but not the "Brix". You are quite correct, Dave @daifly - we've been at the same location with a similar picture previously. Another that's well out of sequence. In truth these photos are rather a "clearing up" exercise after dealing with all the photos where I had a decent amount of info and were identified in some sort of sequence. And I agree with your comment about the concrete lids, Tim @timbowales .
No apology needed, Richard @Gadgie . I don't detect any thread drift and anyway, we quite like it when that happens.
Nice model too!There's just one single photo today. This is without any question my favourite of all Tim's four thousand plus images whether colour or black and white and it needs to stand alone. As it's my thread Rule 1 applies - you may disagree but everything about this photo reeks atmosphere. It is one of Tim's earliest photos, from November 1957 when, I suggest, he was still getting his eye in. However, he saw that shaft of light and where others might have written the scene off as unmanageable recognised the pictorial possibilities. To my mind it's sort of "Brief Encounter - Twelve years on." In truth it may have been a difficult print to produce photographically but with the benefit of a bit of digital manipulation and a clean up it stands as an outstanding piece of work.
More prosaically it’s A3 60055 Woolwinder at the buffer stops, Kings Cross Station in November 1957. The loco had been allocated to Kings Cross Shed in June 1956 and it was withdrawn in September 1961 (SLS) going in to Doncaster Works for repair but being scrapped later the same month. (BR Database).
Brian
Roger Pound
Western Thunderer
"Woolwinder at Kings Cross" - the atmosphere of the train and activity at the terminus is completely captured in this dynamic shot - you can almost smell it! Many thanks for achieving such an excellent quality print for us all to enjoy.
Roger.
Roger.
oldravendale
Western Thunderer
Thank you for your kind comments, Adam, Roger and Larry. Thanks too, Larry, for your alternative approach to the subject. Personally I prefer the gloom and quite specular highlights but that certainly soaks up the detail. Neither is it typical of Kings Cross at the time which always seemed so light and airy compared with the sadly neglected cavern that was St Pancras next door.
B17 61652 Darlington at Kings Cross in November 1957. The SLS report the loco as allocated to Colwick at least from October 1946. BR Database then show it as allocated to Cambridge in December 1950 and withdrawn in September 1959. Yeadons advise it was scrapped at Doncaster Works and WHTS that it was seen there in November 1959 although BR Database give a scrapping date of September 1959.
A1 pacific 60114 W P Allen at Kings Cross in November 1957. The loco had recently, in October 1957, been allocated to Doncaster where it was withdrawn on 26th December 1964. (SLS). BR Database suggest it was scrapped at Doncaster Works in February 1963 – clearly impossible – and as it also advises it was sold for scrap to Hughes Bolckow, Blyth in February 1965 I suggest that the 1963 reference is a slip of the pen. The SLS record is that the loco was stored at Doncaster from December 1964 to February 1965 and WHTS confirms it was disposed of at Hughes Bolckow.
An unidentified 9F at Hornsey at an unknown date.
This loco was in post #1 and most lately #4215. It’s A1 Class 60123, H A Ivatt, on an unknown date at Hornsey. It was at Ardsley from September 1951, moving to Copley Hill Leeds in October 1957 and then back to Ardsley in May 1962 where it was withdrawn in the following October. (SLS). BR Database reports that it went to Doncaster Works for disposal, agreed by WHTS who advise it was photographed at Doncaster with front end damage on 29 September 1962, condemned and seen in the works yard on 14th October.
Brian
B17 61652 Darlington at Kings Cross in November 1957. The SLS report the loco as allocated to Colwick at least from October 1946. BR Database then show it as allocated to Cambridge in December 1950 and withdrawn in September 1959. Yeadons advise it was scrapped at Doncaster Works and WHTS that it was seen there in November 1959 although BR Database give a scrapping date of September 1959.
A1 pacific 60114 W P Allen at Kings Cross in November 1957. The loco had recently, in October 1957, been allocated to Doncaster where it was withdrawn on 26th December 1964. (SLS). BR Database suggest it was scrapped at Doncaster Works in February 1963 – clearly impossible – and as it also advises it was sold for scrap to Hughes Bolckow, Blyth in February 1965 I suggest that the 1963 reference is a slip of the pen. The SLS record is that the loco was stored at Doncaster from December 1964 to February 1965 and WHTS confirms it was disposed of at Hughes Bolckow.
An unidentified 9F at Hornsey at an unknown date.
This loco was in post #1 and most lately #4215. It’s A1 Class 60123, H A Ivatt, on an unknown date at Hornsey. It was at Ardsley from September 1951, moving to Copley Hill Leeds in October 1957 and then back to Ardsley in May 1962 where it was withdrawn in the following October. (SLS). BR Database reports that it went to Doncaster Works for disposal, agreed by WHTS who advise it was photographed at Doncaster with front end damage on 29 September 1962, condemned and seen in the works yard on 14th October.
Brian
timbowales
Western Thunderer
No, Paul, you haven't missed a discussion because no-one has commented on it until you
To my Swindon-biased eyes it looks like a Siphon J a long way from home turf?
AJC
Western Thunderer
No, Paul, you haven't missed a discussion because no-one has commented on it until you
To my Swindon-biased eyes it looks like a Siphon J a long way from home turf?
Likewise - I was hoping someone might, because I don't have any reference material to hand for Siphons.
Adam
John Palmer
Active Member
Certainly it's a Siphon J in that Stranraer photograph! I was sufficiently struck by the design as to have made it the subject of my very first rolling stock sketch, whilst an example in a parcels train stood adjacent to the island platform at Taunton during one of my trainspotting forays there, probably around 1962. Siphon Gs were as common as muck, but a J was something else. Even so, I'd thought the type was sufficently common as to be unworthy of comment, but Russell's "Great Western Coaches - Part II" gives building details for only 32 in 2 lots, so higher rarity value than I first thought.
timbowales
Western Thunderer
Yes, so few of them that it was a surprise to see that one in Stranraer
I wonder how it got there?