Crane Locomotives

spikey faz

spikey faz

Western Thunderer
Overseer said:
Greg Edwards of Datasheets provided the drawings and Ian Dunn wrote the words for Goods Wagons of NSW. The drawings in the book are available in 7mm scale from Datasheets, as linked to by Mike above. There are some oddities in the book, one being the sheep van section where Ian wonders where the design of the first sheep van came from - it was an exact copy of the LNWR double deck van down to the last detail as published in DK Clark in 1855, designed by HH Henson. The drawing in the NSW book is longer than it should be to be accurate.

The NSW Terrier conversions were different to most crane tanks as the crane was low capacity, just enough to lift the coal tubs to coal locos as the were intended to. Presumably they were quick acting to speed the process up.
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Do you know what sort of capacity? I'm thinking a ton?

Mike
 
Overseer

Overseer

Western Thunderer
spikey faz said:
Do you know what sort of capacity? I'm thinking a ton?

Mike
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Sorry, I don't know. There are photos of square tubs and round tubs in use but I don't remember seeing any capacity markings. My knowledge of NSW railway matters is limited.
 
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Marc Dobson

Western Thunderer
Overseer said:
Greg Edwards of Datasheets provided the drawings and Ian Dunn wrote the words for Goods Wagons of NSW. The drawings in the book are available in 7mm scale from Datasheets, as linked to by Mike above. There are some oddities in the book, one being the sheep van section where Ian wonders where the design of the first sheep van came from - it was an exact copy of the LNWR double deck van down to the last detail as published in DK Clark in 1855, designed by HH Henson. The drawing in the NSW book is longer than it should be to be accurate.

The NSW Terrier conversions were different to most crane tanks as the crane was low capacity, just enough to lift the coal tubs to coal locos as the were intended to. Presumably they were quick acting to speed the process up.
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Are the data sheets as good as the drawings in the book? I'm looking at the locos and some of the older coaches.

Marc
 
oldravendale

oldravendale

Western Thunderer
One of my hobbies is collecting cigarette cards. They are wonderful tiny bits of art in miniature and the details on the reverse are a sort of Wikipedia of their day. Here's one from the 1924 set of Wills's "Railways Engines". There was also another updated set of different locos produced in 1936.

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I then fell down the inevitable rabbit hole and found this - relevant, perhaps, to another thread so please forgive the brief diversion. This is from Wills's "Railway Equipment" of 1938.
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As a side comment, cigarette cards are great things to collect. They are extremely colourful and for the most part inexpensive. A set of one of the really common and less interesting subjects will set you back £5, most sets are in the £20 to £50 range although it's also true that sometimes they'll go up to £100 or even more per card for the really rare ones.

Sorry for the partial diversion but there are lots of sets available of railway, car and aircraft interest.

Brian
 
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spikey faz

spikey faz

Western Thunderer
oldravendale said:
One of my hobbies is collecting cigarette cards. They are wonderful tiny bits of art in miniature and the details on the reverse are a sort of Wikipedia of their day. Here's one from the 1924 set of Wills's "Railways Engines". There was also another updated set of different locos produced in 1936.

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I then fell down the inevitable rabbit hole and found this - relevant, perhaps, to another thread so please forgive the brief diversion. This is from Wills's "Railway Equipment" of 1938.
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As a side comment, cigarette cards are great things to collect. They are extremely colourful and for the most part inexpensive. A set of one of the really common and less interesting subjects will set you back £5, most sets are in the £20 to £50 range although it's also true that sometimes they'll go up to £100 or even more per card for the really rare ones.

Sorry for the partial diversion but there are lots of sets available of railway, car and aircraft interest.

Brian
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Hi Brian

So which of the current O scale GWR engines could I convert to Hercules? :eek:

Just idle speculation!

Mike
 
Steph Dale

Steph Dale

Western Thunderer
spikey faz said:
Hi Brian

So which of the current O scale GWR engines could I convert to Hercules? :eek:

Just idle speculation!
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Ha! A few minutes with everyone's favourite search engine found me a couple of links and some good photos. The loco seems to be based on an 850 pannier, with the crane a steam-powered re-imagining of a 12t hand crane. Even the bogie looks like it's a cunning re-imagining of a Churchward loco bogie (modified for outside bearings).

But, as I'm not a GWR modeller, I don't know who does an 850 currently (was Eric Underhill, latterly ABS, hopefully to be available again from another source) or the crane.

Steph
 
oldravendale

oldravendale

Western Thunderer
spikey faz said:
Hi Brian

So which of the current O scale GWR engines could I convert to Hercules? :eek:

Just idle speculation!

Mike
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Hello Mike. I've not the faintest idea! Doubtless there's a GWR aficionado out there somewhere who can advise on a good starting point. Out of idle interest I looked on line and quickly found gwr crane tank locomotive - Google Search There's also been a model made and reported in the other place. Hercules - A Great Western Story They may be of help.

Brian
 
SimonT

SimonT

Western Thunderer
The answer can be found in Volume 2 of Russell and the RCTS Part 5. They were based on an 850 with the main frames extended backwards. No.16 was built later than 17 & 18 and had a Belpaire boiler. The bogie was a weird one off, neither Dean nor Churchward and used 2'8" wheels. Russell has a good scan of the diagram drawing of No.16 and is proably the best you will do now; for a diagram drawing it is quite detailed. There is a good photo of Cyclops (17) in works grey and an over exposed photo of Hercules.
As for kits there is a box of bits for an 850 from Scorpio.
Simon
 
spikey faz

spikey faz

Western Thunderer
I was rather hoping I could chop a Dapol or Minerva GWR tank loco about to create the mighty Hercules, but I suspect that's a non-starter. To be fair though it's a big old crane - far bigger than anything I've so far built. Might be a crane - too- far! :p


Mike
 
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Peter

Western Thunderer
spikey faz said:
I was rather hoping I could chop a Dapol or Minerva GWR tank loco about to create the mighty Hercules, but I suspect that's a non-starter. To be fair though it's a big old crane - far bigger than anything I've so far built. Might be a crane - too- far! :p


Mike
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Hi Mike,

Have a look at pages 173 to 175 of Sentinel Locomotives and Sentinel-Cammell Railcars just published by Industrial Railway Society.

Best regards,

Peter
 
spikey faz

spikey faz

Western Thunderer
Peter said:
Hi Mike,

Have a look at pages 173 to 175 of Sentinel Locomotives and Sentinel-Cammell Railcars just published by Industrial Railway Society.

Best regards,

Peter
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Hi Peter

Thanks for heads-up. I'll check it out. :thumbs:

In other news the rebuild of the Terrier begins. Those of a nervous disposition please look away! :p
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Mike
 
spikey faz

spikey faz

Western Thunderer
Modified the sideframe overlays (which are conveniently held on with a couple of screws - thank you Dapol :cool:).
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Mike
 
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