David Waite
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Absolutely wonderful.
David.
David.
Dave's 4mm scale Industrial Loco Workshop.
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spikey faz
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Very nice! 
Mike
Mike
Dave
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To paraphrase custom car builder Dave Kindig; Scratchbuilding isn't easy, but if it was easy everyone would be doing it and then it wouldn't be cool.
I'd say this one is finished.
It's surprisingly quiet in operation. I have had N20s that have been very noisy, but this one is very quiet. It pulls well, too. I coupled it to 10x21t minerals, plus the 240g dead weight of a Planet Industrials Victory 0-6-0T and it pulled the lot.
I will take a break from building locomotives for a while. I want to finish Blacker Lane and to get Harboro Stone up and running again. There's also the small matter of building the layout for this thing to run on, which is a nothing but a bare baseboard at the moment.
I'd say this one is finished.
It's surprisingly quiet in operation. I have had N20s that have been very noisy, but this one is very quiet. It pulls well, too. I coupled it to 10x21t minerals, plus the 240g dead weight of a Planet Industrials Victory 0-6-0T and it pulled the lot.
I will take a break from building locomotives for a while. I want to finish Blacker Lane and to get Harboro Stone up and running again. There's also the small matter of building the layout for this thing to run on, which is a nothing but a bare baseboard at the moment.
paulc
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Loctite is just a brand name like Hoover . What type of Loctite did you use ?
Dave
Western Thunderer
I just checked. It isn't Loctite at all. It's V-tech threadlocker.
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WM183
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What is this? What does it do, please?I said that I'd take a break from building engines, but I've now got these to make chimneys and domes, so it would be rude not to use them, wouldn't it?
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PhilMortimer
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I really need to make one of these. Is this one you made? Or purchased?I said that I'd take a break from building engines, but I've now got these to make chimneys and domes, so it would be rude not to use them, wouldn't it?
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PhilMortimer
Active Member
Used for turning grinding flares on the bottom of chimneys and domes, to blend upright chimney / dome to boiler barrel diameter.
Dave
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I had an engineer friend make it for me. I can ask him how much to make another, if you would like me to.
PhilMortimer
Active Member
Dave,
That would be very kind.
i’ll DM you later- currently bed ridden with Covid…….
Many Thanks,
PM
Dave
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I have changed the title again. This time to reflect that it's not all scratchbuilding.
The current project was started before the Manning Wardle on page one and is a 325HP Hunslet diesel-hydraulic. The model is intended to run on my Blacker Lane layout and represents w/n 7410 of 1976. It is a Judith Edge kit that requires modification to represent this particular prototype.
7410 was the last true industrial locomotive to work at British Oak Disposal Point but I think the very last trains there were worked by 08870 that was hired in from BR. I saw 7410 work trains in and out of the site just a few months before it closed in 1993.
Crossing Blacker Lane on the way to collect empties at the exchange sidings.
All pretty straightforward up to this point.
The current project was started before the Manning Wardle on page one and is a 325HP Hunslet diesel-hydraulic. The model is intended to run on my Blacker Lane layout and represents w/n 7410 of 1976. It is a Judith Edge kit that requires modification to represent this particular prototype.
7410 was the last true industrial locomotive to work at British Oak Disposal Point but I think the very last trains there were worked by 08870 that was hired in from BR. I saw 7410 work trains in and out of the site just a few months before it closed in 1993.
Crossing Blacker Lane on the way to collect empties at the exchange sidings.
All pretty straightforward up to this point.
Herb Garden
Western Thunderer
Lovely locos and lovely kits. I've built the 0-4-0 version and I do like how well they drop together
Dave
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The kit doesn't cater for detail variations but they are mentioned in the text and photos that go with the instructions. One variation on these Hunslets was a very thick running plate and 7410 was one that had that feature. I soldered brass strip around the edges of the valances and buffer beams in an attempt to represent this.
It was only after adding the strip that I realised that the running plate overhangs the buffers at both ends on 7410 but the kit has the overhang only on the long bonnet end.
Another difference in 7410 and the kit is that the wheels are different. The edges/tyres/rims, whatever are thicker on 7410 and the balance weights are larger, leaving a far smaller gap between the weight and the wheel boss.
This is a wheel with the kit balance weight laid on. It looks very different to what can be seen in the photos of 7410.
It was only after adding the strip that I realised that the running plate overhangs the buffers at both ends on 7410 but the kit has the overhang only on the long bonnet end.
Another difference in 7410 and the kit is that the wheels are different. The edges/tyres/rims, whatever are thicker on 7410 and the balance weights are larger, leaving a far smaller gap between the weight and the wheel boss.
This is a wheel with the kit balance weight laid on. It looks very different to what can be seen in the photos of 7410.
Dave
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I made some plasticard circles and balance weights to overlay onto the wheels. They're not perfect but at "normal viewing distances", and with a bit of weathering, they'll be alright. Better than leaving the wheels as they were, anyway.
The rolling chassis works with power applied to the motor. There is no provision made in the kit for compensation so I have altered it myself. It's not proper compensation but does allow for the undulations in my trackwork. I elongated the centre axle hole to allow the axle to move +/- 0.5mm or so and didn't put any bearings in the axle holes. The centre crank pin holes were opened out in the rods but no bushes are used, allowing plenty of movement of the centre wheelset independent from the other rods and wheels. A piece of foam between the motor and axle provides just enough springing to keep the centre wheelset in contact with the rails.
I cut out one of the frame stretchers and replaced it with some scrap etch in order to use a different gearbox than suggested in the instructions.
This is to allow the motor to sit low and save space in the bodywork for weight and DCC gear.
The rolling chassis works with power applied to the motor. There is no provision made in the kit for compensation so I have altered it myself. It's not proper compensation but does allow for the undulations in my trackwork. I elongated the centre axle hole to allow the axle to move +/- 0.5mm or so and didn't put any bearings in the axle holes. The centre crank pin holes were opened out in the rods but no bushes are used, allowing plenty of movement of the centre wheelset independent from the other rods and wheels. A piece of foam between the motor and axle provides just enough springing to keep the centre wheelset in contact with the rails.
I cut out one of the frame stretchers and replaced it with some scrap etch in order to use a different gearbox than suggested in the instructions.
This is to allow the motor to sit low and save space in the bodywork for weight and DCC gear.
Dave
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Another minor detail on the particular prototype that I am modelling is that the HUNSLET plates were missing from the bodywork at both ends when it worked at British Oak. The missing plates revealed openings that are not in the kit parts as it is intended that the provided plates are fitted.
I have already decided not to use the mesh that is provided for the side vents and that is in the radiator opening end, so I have made new ends to replace the kit parts. I have some very fine mesh somewhere (need to find it!) that came out of an old-fashioned diesel filter. It is about to scale and much finer than the kit mesh.
I have already decided not to use the mesh that is provided for the side vents and that is in the radiator opening end, so I have made new ends to replace the kit parts. I have some very fine mesh somewhere (need to find it!) that came out of an old-fashioned diesel filter. It is about to scale and much finer than the kit mesh.
Herb Garden
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Dave
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It's not far off receiving a coat of etch primer. I had to make an extension to the running plate for the fuel tank end. The kit prototype didn't have the running plate extending over the buffers at that end and only had it at the engine end. The handrails are different, too. 7410 had more of them and so I have had to drill a lot of holes in the cab and will have to make the rails from scratch.
There are parts provided for air-braked prototypes but 7410 had a different air compressor housing to that provided and so I had to make my own.
It still needs windscreen wipers and horn on the bodywork. The buffer beams need buffers, jacking points and reinforcing plates around the hole for the drawhook but these will have to be added after the beams are painted and striped. There's also the glazing of the cab; a job that I hate. It's far easier to glaze steam engine cabs!
They're not small locomotives these Hunslets. Slightly longer than a BR Class 08 and the same weight, so the model needs to have enough weight to allow it to pull the same number of wagons as a Bachmann 08.
There are parts provided for air-braked prototypes but 7410 had a different air compressor housing to that provided and so I had to make my own.
It still needs windscreen wipers and horn on the bodywork. The buffer beams need buffers, jacking points and reinforcing plates around the hole for the drawhook but these will have to be added after the beams are painted and striped. There's also the glazing of the cab; a job that I hate. It's far easier to glaze steam engine cabs!
They're not small locomotives these Hunslets. Slightly longer than a BR Class 08 and the same weight, so the model needs to have enough weight to allow it to pull the same number of wagons as a Bachmann 08.
Dave
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I haven't finished the Hunslet yet but am already thinking about the next project.
This Hattons Barclay came to me minus cab and although I do have a spare cab, what would be the point in having just another bog standard model?
I'm going to use it as a basis for this:
Barclay W/n694 of 1891. I believe this was the first 0-6-0 that Andrew Barclay built.
This Hattons Barclay came to me minus cab and although I do have a spare cab, what would be the point in having just another bog standard model?
I'm going to use it as a basis for this:
Barclay W/n694 of 1891. I believe this was the first 0-6-0 that Andrew Barclay built.