Mickoo's American Modelling Empire

mickoo

Western Thunderer
So, don't you just hate folks who start sentences with so :))

Here's another blatant gratuitous box opening RTR feel good (for me) post, it's a bit different from most of the others with a bit of a (life) back story.

First off it's significantly smaller than my usual fair, about as small as you can get in the US I suspect; it's also generic and not Railroad specific but they did serve on the UP so it'll need some tweaks for that, similar engines worked on the SP but more works are required for those.

Second it came from that hateful Facebook that many here previously denounced, I get that, don't need it, never want it, can't be bothered with it, seriously, I really do. But Facebook is more than teenager snap chats and youf's in da hood. Nearly all of my recent SP research has been from Facebook special interest groups and the wealth of information and depth is really worth it.

Anyway, one of the SIG's is for selling toy trains and the best bit is you don't pay Ebays overpriced global shipping rates and sellers don't pay Ebays extortionate fee's, ergo, there are some very good bargains to be had. You do have to take a leap of faith but you do and can get some good bargains.

This one was a bargain, 50% of what it usually goes for on Ebay or auction houses, problem was, for some unknown reason the postal algorithm would not accept my address, luckily I knew he'd already sent items to a friend in East London so a quick exchange of words and all was good, it'd go to East London and we'd sort it from there.

Having spent all day fighting (and resolving) the Duke DCC and back EMF, the text arrived saying it's here, when do you want to pick it up....now! Said friend lives 1.5 miles inside the ULEZ, so two choices, break the barrier and pay the charge or he travels out on the tube to the next stop.

To cut a boring story short I decided to break the zone and pay the charges and I'm glad I did, you see I spent a considerable while in East London just down the road at digs doing my college courses. As I turned down Wanstead high street it was like a time warp back 30 years, the shops, people, street scenery, parks with people in, the noises and planes flying overhead.

Morale of the story, if there is even one, when your having a :shit: day, don't assume what follows will be the same. I had a pleasant drive down the A12 in the evening sun, paid £12.50 for the ULEZ charge and do not regret one penny for the life experience I encountered, all this adds baggage to this little gem bought 3000+ miles way on Facebook.

Now the bit everyone's been waiting for, a Sunset DongJin USRA 0-6-0 switcher.

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simond

Western Thunderer
switcher? It looks bigger than a GW Mogul, and probably a few other Brit mainline locos.

that said, it is rather sweet.
 

Focalplane

Western Thunderer
I have a similar HO scale SP switcher on its way from brasstrains.com. It’s officially an S-10 but a few changes and it will become a Houston shopped S-14 with an 800 series T&NO number. They lasted until 1958 so fit the transition era quite well. SD-7 one day, S-14 the next!

I would love to model in O Scale but my investment in HO that has nominal value in the U.K. precludes switching scale. The steam switcher is the only additional loco I might need down the road.

Anyway, the big brother in your photos looks very nice!
 

Jordan

Mid-Western Thunderer
I follow a Facebook page about Bay area San Francisco, all good quality images from street scenes, trolleys, railroads, bridges, infrastructure and general San Francisco life. https://www.facebook.com/groups/857381944851749/user/1186433233/

Recently this image turned up and it demonstrates the huge size difference between US and UK stock, more so given the switcher behind 4472 is one of the smaller ones.

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The height of the diesel switcher at the rear is definitely of interest. ;) Also makes the buckeye at the front look like an oversize Kadee, too, as the standard ones are. :)
Any photos of FS actually alongside an American steam loco, anywhere? Purely for the incredulous pointing and derisive laughter at the tiny size aspect, of course.... :))
 

Scale7JB

Western Thunderer
I follow a Facebook page about Bay area San Francisco, all good quality images from street scenes, trolleys, railroads, bridges, infrastructure and general San Francisco life. https://www.facebook.com/groups/857381944851749/user/1186433233/

Recently this image turned up and it demonstrates the huge size difference between US and UK stock, more so given the switcher behind 4472 is one of the smaller ones.

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I believe amongst other things, it was all those switchers that bankrupted Mr Pegler.

JB.
 

Focalplane

Western Thunderer
I remember there were photos of King George V 6000 when it was sent over to celebrate the century of the, was it B&O? Looked quite small as you can imagine. My father was a GWR fan so these booklets were often to be found lying around the house. But I was only 10 at the time.
 

JasonD

Western Thunderer
The good thing about O-scale is that 7mm models (UK) are about 10% bigger than Nth Am (6.35mm / 1/4") so we usually get away with running both on club curves.

FWIW the probably Montreal Loco Works (Canadian Alco) diesel cab is about the same height as the Alco switcher with Flying 'Scottsman' (sic) in Mick's photo #265 above. CN 6218 is a U2g 4-8-4 built in 1942 and has been on display at Fort Erie Railroad Museum at Fort Erie, Ontario. Thanks Google.

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Hang on, that's not the real Flying Scotsman is it? Looks more like a Romney, Hythe and Dymchurch loco....?
Jason
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Finally found time to have a brief look at my haul from Stafford, very low key and no real US bargains for my interests.

I did however, in exchange for some Shekels, Dinars and Otters noses acquire this little gem from Karlgarin who I believe are/were the outlet for these models produced by a company called 'Two Doors Down'; not from the show but a private sale for exchange at Stafford.

I'm no critter fan, very much far from it, but, SP had the largest contingent of these, it'll fit in nicely for an industrial type switching layout, the price was attractive and it's one of the few rare good kits of US outline that I'm aware of, much like most of the UK scene.

Instructions look satisfactory and the etches are nice and clean with a selection of white metal and brass fittings to complete.

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The next item I did get from the show and is the inverse anorak to the critter, it could be said my interest in these borders on the manic and unhealthy, I mean seriously unhealthy, left field, raised eyebrows, keep at arms length, bonafida nutter.

I've grouped it here because to all intents and purposes it's a F unit/GP9/SD7 in a European suit and tie.

Heljan (Europe) produced a reasonably run (1000 units I think) of these engines a few years back, I never saw any for sale in the UK, those that were were often sold out or more as likely pre orders through the likes of Hattons etc. They pop up now and again on Ebay Germany but command high prices and typically in a guise worth the high price.

This one was on a traders stand and you can usually expect to pay a bit more for sales there in. Initially I missed it, being covered by another box on top, another customer moved said box and the blood red nose and blue box were just visible, One word flashed through my mind, MINE, and in a single well executed car boot swoop it was cradled in my arms like a small child, the price was frankly irrelevant such is my obsession.

However it got better, the actual price was near on 50% RTP for a mint unused model, the model gods were truly smiling.

So what we have here is a DSB (Danish) My class built by Nohab of Sweden, it uses the EMD 567 engine, another equally obsessive anorak of mine, early engines were rated at 1500 Hp, later up graded to 1750 Hp. The truck is a spin off from the SD7 design, all the electrical gear is EMD and the body shell a trimmed down rendition of the classic F unit.

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The model comes with several front skirt options and by good fortune full face ploughs which I'll be fitting, for the technical geeks, there are a few details that set it back to early engines, boiler stack still present, two stub stacks for the roots blowers and only one small nose door panel. No steam heat or ETH fittings are supplied.

The single nose access panel does really set the engine back to earlier wine red colour schemes so I will have to add the second panel cover with a half etched version. The twin stacks I'll keep as early builds retained these, later engines had long single slot exhausts. There are also no train door open indicator lights just behind the cab doors at window level, basically two amber lamps which flash alternately when the passenger train doors are still open at stations, they're in the drivers eye line and when they go out....he goes as it signifies all doors are closed and electrically locked. I'll check the F unit grabs irons you can get from P&D, there may be some the same size available as brass castings for US F units.

The trucks are simplistic but sympathetic weathering and some detail pipework will make them much more life like.

Being half Danish I've more than my fair share of reference images and memories, the main North/South arterial line in Jylland ran about 250m from my grandparents house so my brother and I heard/saw these all day and night thrashing out of the local station to tackle the hills heading south.

This one I picked up way back in the early 80's at Aarhus workshop, probably 82 or 83.

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Many decades later (2011) I had reason to visit Denmark again and to the right of the above photo I picked up another. My 1123 would be behind the tree line on the right hand side and lower down..

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This is one of the later builds with the long slot exhaust (not visible), the hole by the RH buffer beam is where the ETH cable exited to the ETH socket which was mounted about where that yellow label is. Note that by now the transparent red discs placed over the lower lights as tail lights in the 80's image have been replaced by sealed beam red lamp units. The extra cubicle door is up by the lower LH headlight and extra grab irons have been added onto the nose for shunters to hang on to, also back in the 80's version too. Later on some would acquire walkway style platforms added over the top of the buffers with handrails for extra safety.

Finally a much earlier shot taken at Aarhus station in the late 60's by my father of a near original specimen.

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Denmark were the first orders for the European 'Bulldogs' followed swiftly by Norway (Di3), Hungary (M61), Luxemburg (CFL 1600) and Belgium (Reeks 52, 53 & 54) . All broadly follow the same style with regional differences in headlights and other small details, Norway carried out the largest changes by winterizing theirs with snow shields and welded up one cab door.

All in all, a very pleasurable retail therapy event :cool:
 

Rob R

Western Thunderer
Mick, well done on the 70 tonner.
Wasn't 2DD Robin Arkinstall post Impetus?
There was also a nice 4w critter in the range. I didn't have the pennies then and I haven't seen one since. :-(
May I suggest a Pacific Electric version with twin trolley poles? :)
Rob
 

Jordan

Mid-Western Thunderer
I saw that Nohab at Stafford, had to explain to my mate what it was. Didn't realise how rare (sorry, how "L@@K!! R@RE!!" ) they are.
 

Yorkshire Dave

Western Thunderer
You have to watch the 70 tonner - it's a phase I production version. SP had the later production phase III units - the louvers (louvres) moved around.

My build of this kit is in my P48 for Cotton Belt thread post #385 et seq.


Good work on the Nohab - oh what fun. Need some DSB 26.4m coaches. ;)
 

JasonD

Western Thunderer
Always liked them: business trip to Copenhagen, in the station, it was like, somebody throwing some old jigsaw pieces at me ... hmmm that nose, that sound ...loved it. I was on package holiday in the Algarve many years ago, first night in Faro overlooking the harbour, good night sleep, hang-on that's an Alco horn, scraped myself off the ceiling, RSC trundling past on a psgr train. Aren't we lucky.

I saw Robin Arkinstall at a Guild meet many years ago and asked when he was going to run the 70-tonners again. If I remember correctly(!) he'd just had an op and anyway the 70-tonner was on the same etch as the EMD 40-tonner which was a slow seller. He didn't do the etches in high-falutin' CAD s/w, just ...um, er, what was that old comprehensive graphics s/w that was expensive, but you could get a free run-only version?

I'm starting to regret not going to Stafford, becoming a southerner again, not seeing old friends, seeing RSC trucks in the USHobbies catalogue and later being told they never ran them, etc, etc. Oh another jigsaw piece ... cluster of fans on roof!
 
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mickoo

Western Thunderer
I saw that Nohab at Stafford, had to explain to my mate what it was. Didn't realise how rare (sorry, how "L@@K!! R@RE!!" ) they are.
I said previously that they pop up on Ebay Germany, I think that's incorrect on reflection, most would probably have been the NMJ ones Mick B references and I don't recall many DSB ones either, perhaps NMJ avoided market duplication and just picked off the rest of the Euro versions (but no MAV M61 as I recall).

That makes the Heljan version a bit more elusive, I've not seen one 2nd hand anywhere, all retailers were sold out; Heljan also did them in gauge 1 and I think Ho as well, as have other companies I think.

DSB is a niche in a smaller niche market so it's not surprising if Heljan only produced a hand full.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Always liked them: business trip to Copenhagen, in the station, it was like, somebody throwing some old jigsaw pieces at me ... hmmm that nose, that sound ...loved it. I was on package holiday in the Algarve many years ago, first night in Faro overlooking the harbour, good night sleep, hang-on that's an Alco horn, scraped myself off the ceiling, RSC trundling past on a psgr train. Aren't we lucky.

I saw Robin Arkinstall at a Guild meet many years ago and asked when he was going to run the 70-tonners again. If I remember correctly(!) he'd just had an op and anyway the 70-tonner was on the same etch as the EMD 40-tonner which was a slow seller. He didn't do the etches in high-falutin' CAD s/w, just ...um, er, what was that old comprehensive graphics s/w that was expensive, but you could get a free run-only version?

I'm starting to regret not going to Stafford, becoming a southerner again, not seeing old friends, seeing RSC trucks in the USHobbies catalogue and later being told they never ran them, etc, etc. Oh another jigsaw piece ... cluster of fans on roof!
It's the sound for me, the export EMD 567 sounds have a subtle difference to the domestic EMD 567.

It sits at the very top of my audio Xmas tree, below on three equal branches are the EMD 645, Deltic and HST.

I've not seen many 70 Tonners for sale, I think there may have been a couple at a Telford show a few years back and I dimly recall Yorkie Dave bagging one, i went back and the other was gone. For me it's the build aspect that's the greater interest, it just looks like a nice kit to build.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
NMJ have been doing one in '0' in recent years but I'm not sure of the exact scale, see:


Cheers, Mick.
I'd forgotten those, it's these I'm seeing on Ebay Germany, nice models but I don't recall seeing a DSB one in the era I wanted, I do really like the NSB Di3a with full winter packages and having a cab ride on a SNCB 52 during a rail tour holds many memories. That sound, the control desk and that view out over the bonnet, best of all, the wooden detail on interior; an era long gone replaced by spartan sound proof mesh and welded beams.

I'm sure their scale will be for the European market (1:45)

I am surprised no one has marketed a Mz by now, constrained to just Denmark and Spain for build orders they've now spread far and wide in recent years, a handful went to Australia (Nicknamed Helga's for their Swedish heritage) more have gone to Sweden and Norway under new TOC's.
 
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