Monks Ferry: a layout for the Grandchildren.

jonte

Western Thunderer
Doddy was a bit of a loner, who spent much of his downtime in the old Police Club in Fairfield, Tuebrook.

Quietly supping a pint or two before retiring to a table at the rear of the hall, he’d keenly enjoy the act or two appearing each Saturday evening, without anyone bothering him.

A good guy.

Jon
 

jonte

Western Thunderer
Well, still not finished the wiring but not totally down to a reduction in mojo.

For starters it’s either been too windy, too wet, or too wet and windy to work outdoors; then there’s the fact that I ran out of red dropper wire, so the vagaries of the weather were irrelevant in a way.
Despite all this, I’ve been enjoying extra grand parenting duties including sleepovers, thus the previous list of distractions proved immaterial. The good news is that the wire is now in my possession and I’ve a larger window of opportunity for modelling this week, so it’s down to brass tacks again.

I toyed with digging out the soldering iron earlier, but despite the fine start, the forecast didn’t look favourable until Wednesday so thought I’d make a start on something the weather couldn’t affect: underlay.

Using 3mm foam which came in approximately one metre square sheets as kindly recommended by another WT-er, I began marking it out with a highlighter pen and cutting it out into 3cm widths with a Stanley blade which was like a knife through butter:

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Shown also is the contact adhesive as kindly recommended by @adrian, which smells like evo-stick and looks like beeswax, and which I applied to both surfaces with an old wooden paint brush handle, waiting ten minutes or so before bringing them together. The following photo shows them prior to applying the adhesive, and hopefully how the foam roughly takes up the shape of the curve - where I chose to start - which was handy:

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Still, they were over length once applied (annoyingly covering the dropper wire hikes which I’d tried to avoid), something I’ll take into account next time.

Applied:

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Looks okay but it’s mind numbing, which doesn’t help as I’ve become marginally distracted; by this:

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…….and this:

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……..and this:

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……….and:

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Get the idea?

What’s more, I’ve had one of Jukesy’s unmade point kits in a box in the drawer under the spare bed for absolutely yonks;I’ve developed a hankering for lone BR blue diesels in a down and out country setting; Bachmann makes great 24s, old and new; SLS provide drop-in wheelsets with a handy how-to on the Scalefour society forum: I’ve a sackful of redundant tortoise point motors; I want to revisit foamboard baseboards etc. etc.…………….and I’ve yet to have a bash at the green stuff.

Oh by the way, does anybody know where I can hold of an Ethylene Bromide tank wagon, kit or otherwise……..

I must resist………..

jonte
 

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jonte

Western Thunderer
Resistance seems like a waste of energy….

It's amazing how a scene like this grabs us and demands to be miniaturized.

I'm having a similar issue with Altincham Gasworks.
John

Hi John

Tried to reply earlier but forum seemed slow.

In this case and for once, I need to show restraint as it’s for others, but you’re dead right.

Umpteen permutations of these few in number images occupy my thoughts constantly, rearranging their sequence before changing them back again; including the works scene, then excluding it for an exchange siding behind the cottages, using the crossing gates as a scenic break at one end and the bridge at t’other (the photo I’ve reversed to suit!).

See what I mean?

Looking forward to seeing Altrincham Gasworks ;)

Jon
 

jonte

Western Thunderer
Well, the sun shone as promised so it was back to soldering droppers to the remaining tracks.

Thankfully, I’ve just finished the last set and I'm delighted it’s another repetitive task out of the way:

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Just need to wash the soldered joints in CIF with the aid of a toothbrush, before a return to further repetition: sticking down the underlay.

Thanks for popping by and I apologise for the dull nature of my posts of late, but posting really serves as an incentive.

jonte
 

jonte

Western Thunderer
Managed a little more of laying the track underlay this morning, but it’s slow going:

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Unfortunately, here I’ll have to leave matters until the end of the week as I’ve run out of glue already and a replacement isn’t due until then. Despite ordering the larger size up of 750 ml, it might prove a little more frugal to just run a bead of glue along the centre of the underlay and the base, at the point where it will be laid, as the track will be pinned which should hold everything in place. This of course will supplemented by some sort of adhesive (yet to be determined ) which will keep the ballast in place.

Until then I’ll attach the point motors to the points, remove the pips from the tiebars and attach a pair of insulated rail joiners at appropriate positions on the points to make them more DCC conducive.

Thanks for looking.

jonte
 

jonte

Western Thunderer
Oh. So some time towards the distraction perhaps? He said encouragingly, hopefully etc.

Looks like a sunny week ahead so enjoy whatever turns up!
John

I should be so lucky………

Matters here change as quickly as the weather, leaving barely enough time for the trainset, John, never mind essays set in tranquil backwaters :(

To give you an example, I’ve since received a mayday from an elderly sister who’s panicking over the health of her koi carp after the pump stopped working over the weekend…….in fact, it was more of a Pan Pan ………so instead of using the couple hours of freedom I’d set aside this morning for modelling purposes, I’m off to don waders and perhaps snorkel and goggles in attempt to rescue her sanity as much as the welfare of the fish:cool:

And as for that modelling window I predicted for last week, what was the expression : ‘the best laid plans of something or other!? :rolleyes:

Perhaps in another lifetime, John.

Cheers.

Jon
 

jonte

Western Thunderer
It’s cliche time at Monks once again.

To start: ‘Every cloud….?’

Running out of adhesive as per my previous saw me turning my attention elsewhere, and on this occasion it was attaching the point motors to the bases of the points (I’m doing this the old fashioned way as time isn’t on my side with a rather tight, self imposed deadline to meet, so I suppose that’s all hope of making the track look realistic well and truly out of the window).

I did try a recommended way of doing this once, which involved twisting the metal tabs which attach the motor to the base of the point instead of folding over the sleeper in the intended way, and then snipping them off after supergluing and filing the remainder, which did the job nicely - until I had to remove the motor at a later stage, a process which not only destroyed the point base but rendered the motor minus its tabs useless. Thus I decided fir long term peace of mind, this method wasn’t for me.

So what’s the silver lining?

Well, having ‘struggled’ to fit one or two (more of which later) I decided to test fit one of the points using my witness marks as a guide, whereupon I realised I’d boobed in relation to the size of the rectangles I’d cut in the baseboard for the point motors: it transpired that not only are the motors slightly wider than the point base, but the presence of protruding metal tags either side of the motor increase its width again. Despite the generous allowance in the cuts for tolerance, they didn’t allow for wiggle room due to the unanticipated increase in motor size, so it was out with the jig saw once more to increase each hole by six milli., which was the easier option than trying to file off all the tags from the motors……. So clouds of saw dust and noise were the order of the day once more, which after clearing up for an hour or so the first time, I thought I’d left well and truly behind me.
The good part was that at least I’d discovered now and not later when I’d completed the underlay……Thankfully only one or two area required careful measures with the saw.

Now onto fitting the point motors, which you may recall are a mixed bag of second hand (working job lot from the Bay of Plenty and several unemployed of my own from yesteryear).

Having to remove some of the plastic accessory bases from many, and straightening the fixing tabs with all wasnt a problem…….until trying to fit them, when it appeared that the holes in the sleeoer base of the new Hornby points were a) slightly narrower in width than the tags and b) slightly inbound of the tag settings of the (mainly) Peco point motors. A real bl**dy faff. And not only were the points of slightly different dimensions in this respect, but they’re not as robust as of old or the Peco versions, and several had one sleeoer split/burst despite judicious handling:

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You can see what I mean on this example to the left as you look. It only happened on the one side and to every case in point; the other side was fine as here:

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Don’t worry: they’ll be rewired were required (as above), although the main wiring will be of three pin/core.

They were also of a mixed bag in terms of length of pin, the longer pinned variety being easier to thread onto the tie bar whilst trying to fit the tags at the same time, than the shorter versions which were a real pain requiring a third hand…..

Despite the fact that all the bought jobbies were working, it was only later I discovered that one or two of the tags were missing rendering them useless, as well as me breaking one or two of my older ones whilst trying to narrow the separation of the tags, so I decided to fork out for some new ones to finish the job: six pack (the long pin variety of course for reason given), as I only noticed after fitting several that the pins are sliding up and down in their housing for some reason or another, so they’ll have to go (not trusting long term to superglue and not sure whether solder will work on the different materials).

Oh yes, and another purchase is required: a new set of snips to cut the longer pins as my rather elderly ones have given up the ghost.

So there we go.

And to finish with a cliche: ‘one step forward…..’.

jonte
 

jonte

Western Thunderer
In addendum to my last:

Whilst struggling to sleep overnight, it occurred to me that I’d forgotten to place a rectangle of paper twixt point and motor…….

Apart from four awaiting the arrival of a new batch of motors as mentioned, the rest will have to have the motors removed to fit the paper.

Will the Rivarrossi’s cope with removal and refitting, bearing in mind that some of their sleepers have already perished in the process? And yesterday, I burst two sleepers on one of them, a sleeper on each side!

In this worst case scenario, I’ve a feeling of utter dread, as the alternatives terrify me:

a) Cut rectangles of ply to cover the holes and glue to the underside, then lay track before tge rigmarole of attempting to find optimum position to sight motor (and those boards are darned heavy!). To dent morale further, would the pins even belong enough? Even if they were (doubtful) I’d need to purchase further motors with longer pins; annoying since I’veakreadycut diwn one or two……………..

b) Dig out theTortoises. I’ve about thirty of them, somewhere. But then I’d have to remove the latch mechanism from each point (no thanks!), plus almost twenty Tortoises will add weight to an already heavy board for when the time comes to remove the layout from its current location. Also trying to accommodate them, especially at the station throat where it’s tightly packed would be an issue, although height wise, I’m okay as I’veabout five inches below board. They’re tall bodied as you know (once saw an article in MRJ where they were placed on their sides, and to the front of the board in a bank, to the benefit of accomodation).

c) Do things the old fashioned way, and return to digital (by hand). With my rapidly deteriorating agility, I doubt I’d reach half of them.

Hmmm……

Occasionally, I hate this hobby.

jonte
 

40057

Western Thunderer
Sorry to dwell on your issues, but since I have never used a point motor in my life, what is the function of the rectangle of paper?

Martin
 

jonte

Western Thunderer
Sorry to dwell on your issues, but since I have never used a point motor in my life, what is the function of the rectangle of paper?

Martin

Hi Martin, and thanks for reading.

The idea is that it provides a base for ballast when ballasting otherwise it just falls straight through. Originally, these things were just laid on rolls of foam underlay designed for the purpose which we remember from childhood, and which also served as the ballast.

I’ve attached the following photos from a couple of layouts ago to give you an idea:

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In this case, I merely pasted the paper to the board to bridge the gap before turning the baseboard on its side. A light shone on the surface side helped me locate the lug holes and pin on the base of the point to aid attaching the motor. Simples, as they say.

However, this was a short board of say five feet or so which I could easily work on on the bench. In this case, they’re way too big for that and in any case, this method would have to wait until after the whole trackwork was layed, including cutting the lines where they pass over the joints in situ to separate the boards, and I really need to press on and make good use of the recent warm spell.

The alternative method I’m employing (or should have), involves gluing the paper to below the tie bar area of the point, then attaching the point motor as I’ve been doing so there’s a paper sandwich if you like. It achieves the same ends but saves the rigmarole of having to locate the point motor with the point having to be in situ.

The postie’s just called with my extra point motors and I’ve plenty of 3 core and twin and earth wire to wire them with following a visit to an electrical wholesaler earlier this morning, however, dark clouds and spots of rain have put paid to my trying it out today.

However, my new tin of glue has since arrived, so might just have a go at some more underlaying this evening and maybe tomorrow evening following my visit with family and grandchildren to a local Thomas the Tank engineer type event.

Cheers,

Jon

P.S. Trying to establish the suitability of wire at the wholesalers, the guy serving enquired as to its purpose. I blandly explained a ‘small project’. Keen to know more, his jolly assistant pressed me for specifics. His eyes lit up when I explained, and has demanded to see photos of the layout when completed. I thanked him, but told him not to hold his breath especially with my glacial pace of work, although I did let slip my proposed date of completion. He responded, “I’d another twelve months to that!”.
 

Flaxfield

Western Thunderer
Keep at it, Jon. I've found, over the last twelve to eighteen months, that it takes very little to dislodge the resolve to work on a project. There's nothing worse than thinking all is well, only to have a snag rise up from nowhere.

Things will come right. It just needs a couple of 'quick wins' to boost morale.

I like the paper idea. DCC Concepts have a neat solution to same, with the obvious cost implications that go with it.


Rob
 

jonte

Western Thunderer
Keep at it, Jon. I've found, over the last twelve to eighteen months, that it takes very little to dislodge the resolve to work on a project. There's nothing worse than thinking all is well, only to have a snag rise up from nowhere.

Things will come right. It just needs a couple of 'quick wins' to boost morale.

I like the paper idea. DCC Concepts have a neat solution to same, with the obvious cost implications that go with it.


Rob

Most generous, Rob, and thanks as always for your kind words of support :thumbs:

I think if this was for me alone, I’d have been distracted by now, ahum………

If I can dismantle and reassemble the point motors from the points without further damage, I’ll be grateful to the gods. The previous waffle was just me thinking out loud about the worst case scenario. I must be brave!

Just goes to show what’s available in the trade these days. Iwas totally oblivious to these, so thanks for posting.

However, tempted as I am, I’ll stick with my cheapo graph paper method as the domestic authorities have recently become aware of my spending……………

Thanks again.

Jon
 

James Spooner

Western Thunderer
Keep at it, Jon. I've found, over the last twelve to eighteen months, that it takes very little to dislodge the resolve to work on a project. There's nothing worse than thinking all is well, only to have a snag rise up from nowhere.

Things will come right. It just needs a couple of 'quick wins' to boost morale.

I like the paper idea. DCC Concepts have a neat solution to same, with the obvious cost implications that go with it.


Rob
Hi Jon,

Just catching up with this thread. I made the same mistake making Beddgelert for my son before Christmas (see The Project Advent thread) and found that thin strips of plasticard could be inserted from the side with a thin slot cut into them to allow the point motor pin to move. The advantage of plasticard over paper is that it had the rigidity to hold its shape when being slid between the baseboard and point. Card may also work.

Nigel
 
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