Phill Dyson
Western Thunderer
Great stuff Mick 
...... I spy a gauge 1 Hymek ! 
...... I spy a gauge 1 Hymek ! 
1/32 Scratch Building Locos And Stock In 1/32
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ceejaydee
Western Thunderer
I had the pleasure of running my Bachmann J94 around 'Anglia Roads' the G1 layout that you show Mick.
It is a lovely layout but when using track power you are made to feel like you are a pain in the backside and running at a scale speed is not particularly welcome either. Voltage drop from one side of the layout to the other was ridiculous too.
I was rather disappointed by the whole experience and decided that this layout was for high speed live steam running only which seems to have been confirmed by your observations; pity as a couple of hours at an exhibition running 2-rail and/or battery r/c locos at scale speeds and undertaking shunting moves would do wonders to attract large scale modellers/newcomers to G1 and prove that it is not just for running supersonic live steam.
It is a lovely layout but when using track power you are made to feel like you are a pain in the backside and running at a scale speed is not particularly welcome either. Voltage drop from one side of the layout to the other was ridiculous too.
I was rather disappointed by the whole experience and decided that this layout was for high speed live steam running only which seems to have been confirmed by your observations; pity as a couple of hours at an exhibition running 2-rail and/or battery r/c locos at scale speeds and undertaking shunting moves would do wonders to attract large scale modellers/newcomers to G1 and prove that it is not just for running supersonic live steam.
daifly
Western Thunderer
Surely it should prove that it's NOT just for running supersonic live steam!
ceejaydee
Western Thunderer
.... too many things going on at once... original post edited 
mickoo
Western Thunderer
Ahh the J94, you weren't there today were you? only ask as there was a J94 waddling around the outer track, I think the 'gang' tend to leave the outer track for those of a slightly different bent , there was a growling Thomas which truth be told sounded more like a 50's tram or 4SUB LOL and a Shay at one point, the two inner tracks are for live steamers and that's 'their' racetrack!
Two very fundamental things struck me, live steam guys are not interested in scale speeds or authentic working (I'll come back to this), second track power electric is a fruitless option on such a layout, as you say power loss is horrendous and my friend readily admits this, which is why most of their electric locos are battery with RC control, costly outlay I'll admit, but near perfect control and no fear of stalling on an insulated crossing, and more importantly, no need to insulate wheels for power pick up. I'd been a firm anti battery type of guy but in this context its utopia as far as I'm concerned, full control, flawless performance and with the advances in batteries you'd be hard pressed to run them down, unless you were running for hours on end, "you'd get bored before they ran down" was one quote I heard, another more apt was "there's no way SWMBO will ever let you run long enough for them to run down!"
One advantage of battery power is sound, it'll sound a lot better than live steamers....not that I have anything against live steamers! The only thing you miss is the smell and being as I have no sense of smell that's an issue I'll never have to live with. Live steamers tend to drop all sorts of nasties on the track, I took a good look at the rail head and it was filthy, water grease and spirits mixed with general dust give a rail head akin to real life in autumn through the new forest! The 9F went into a high speed slip at one point, very prototypical and quite humorous to watch the owner dive from the other side of the circuit to shut it off LOL, the lack of remote control really showing its flaws there. The other negative is the all to often...for me... stops to top the boilers up but I understand why and it's part of the 'game' I suppose.
I like the simplicity of battery but you loose DCC control and thus sound (multi sounds), not sure if RC can bring the same fidelity so that's something to research in due course. The other option is battery back up on a sort of UPS style set up, it would require some electronic circuit trickery, but it should be possible to use the batteries to bridge stall points in electrical pick up and I have to be honest that's the biggest illusion killer for me these days...erratic running.
Right, back to the live steam guys, I get where they are coming from, I really do, it's not authentic, it's not scale speed, the stock rarely matches the head end power, but by Jove it is bloody good fun! It's like having your first Hornby oval around the Xmas tree all over again just much larger and in that context I get where they are coming from, it made me grin and I was only spectating.
Now I also get the uber detail depot layouts and small industrial or branch lines, their attraction is in the detail and to some extent, more for me than others I suspect, the operating. If I'm not operating the detail only holds my interest for so long, having said that I spent a long time pouring over the 1/4 scale traction engine and that wasn't in steam and never moved an inch, the attraction there was the construction and craftsmanship. Like many I like to see trains move, rather contradictory to my previous comments when contemplating a static large scale show model?
To be fair speeds were not to light year fast, the express trains were I'd say 70-80s tops and the freights slower, two fast for the junctions I suspect, but not so fast it totally destroyed the effect, not for me anyway.
This forum has already broached the subject of scales and electric/ live steam sides of the Gauge 1 hobby, I doubt they will ever meet and to be fair 'Anglia Roads' does not have the scope for much shunting, you'd get a lot of mileage in RC electric steam outline I suspect, but you'd have to perhaps push on a little to keep them happy. It'd be nice to be able to move live steamers with out the hand of god but that involves lots of trickery and most run slip eccentrics which require a good shove to get going, again a compromise of live steam in such a small scale I fear.
Anyway a few more photos, an overall view of the station area
Some nice simplistic details, not very detailed I'll admit but enough to trick ones mind
A Bachmann J94 but battery powered, ran a full 30mins on the outer track with no problem
A scratch built (I think) L1, now this was a brute, speed was a little fast more like a fast fitted freight but it was the mass and the way it thumped across the point work that was impressive
Behind you can just make out the Hymek, I think we can see enough to know we don't need to investigate this further LOL, mind it is a Hymek, it goes, the owner was happy so at the end of the day that is all that really matters and who am I to judge. As has been said on here many times before, the live steam brigade overlook form and accuracy far more than detail modellers.
One final point, I'm not in any camp here but I do see where these guys are coming from and they did keep badgering me to bring my 66 or GP40 along to one of their meets. Before this morning I had both feet firmly in the non social camp and what a blinkered view that turned out to be!
, there was a growling Thomas which truth be told sounded more like a 50's tram or 4SUB LOL and a Shay at one point, the two inner tracks are for live steamers and that's 'their' racetrack!Two very fundamental things struck me, live steam guys are not interested in scale speeds or authentic working (I'll come back to this), second track power electric is a fruitless option on such a layout, as you say power loss is horrendous and my friend readily admits this, which is why most of their electric locos are battery with RC control, costly outlay I'll admit, but near perfect control and no fear of stalling on an insulated crossing, and more importantly, no need to insulate wheels for power pick up. I'd been a firm anti battery type of guy but in this context its utopia as far as I'm concerned, full control, flawless performance and with the advances in batteries you'd be hard pressed to run them down, unless you were running for hours on end, "you'd get bored before they ran down" was one quote I heard, another more apt was "there's no way SWMBO will ever let you run long enough for them to run down!"
One advantage of battery power is sound, it'll sound a lot better than live steamers....not that I have anything against live steamers! The only thing you miss is the smell and being as I have no sense of smell that's an issue I'll never have to live with. Live steamers tend to drop all sorts of nasties on the track, I took a good look at the rail head and it was filthy, water grease and spirits mixed with general dust give a rail head akin to real life in autumn through the new forest! The 9F went into a high speed slip at one point, very prototypical and quite humorous to watch the owner dive from the other side of the circuit to shut it off LOL, the lack of remote control really showing its flaws there. The other negative is the all to often...for me... stops to top the boilers up but I understand why and it's part of the 'game' I suppose
.I like the simplicity of battery but you loose DCC control and thus sound (multi sounds), not sure if RC can bring the same fidelity so that's something to research in due course. The other option is battery back up on a sort of UPS style set up, it would require some electronic circuit trickery, but it should be possible to use the batteries to bridge stall points in electrical pick up and I have to be honest that's the biggest illusion killer for me these days...erratic running.
Right, back to the live steam guys, I get where they are coming from, I really do, it's not authentic, it's not scale speed, the stock rarely matches the head end power, but by Jove it is bloody good fun! It's like having your first Hornby oval around the Xmas tree all over again just much larger and in that context I get where they are coming from, it made me grin and I was only spectating.
Now I also get the uber detail depot layouts and small industrial or branch lines, their attraction is in the detail and to some extent, more for me than others I suspect, the operating. If I'm not operating the detail only holds my interest for so long, having said that I spent a long time pouring over the 1/4 scale traction engine and that wasn't in steam and never moved an inch, the attraction there was the construction and craftsmanship. Like many I like to see trains move, rather contradictory to my previous comments when contemplating a static large scale show model?
To be fair speeds were not to light year fast, the express trains were I'd say 70-80s tops and the freights slower, two fast for the junctions I suspect, but not so fast it totally destroyed the effect, not for me anyway.
This forum has already broached the subject of scales and electric/ live steam sides of the Gauge 1 hobby, I doubt they will ever meet and to be fair 'Anglia Roads' does not have the scope for much shunting, you'd get a lot of mileage in RC electric steam outline I suspect, but you'd have to perhaps push on a little to keep them happy
. It'd be nice to be able to move live steamers with out the hand of god but that involves lots of trickery and most run slip eccentrics which require a good shove to get going, again a compromise of live steam in such a small scale I fear.Anyway a few more photos, an overall view of the station area
Some nice simplistic details, not very detailed I'll admit but enough to trick ones mind
A Bachmann J94 but battery powered, ran a full 30mins on the outer track with no problem
A scratch built (I think) L1, now this was a brute, speed was a little fast more like a fast fitted freight but it was the mass and the way it thumped across the point work that was impressive
Behind you can just make out the Hymek, I think we can see enough to know we don't need to investigate this further LOL, mind it is a Hymek, it goes, the owner was happy so at the end of the day that is all that really matters and who am I to judge. As has been said on here many times before, the live steam brigade overlook form and accuracy far more than detail modellers.
One final point, I'm not in any camp here but I do see where these guys are coming from and they did keep badgering me to bring my 66 or GP40 along to one of their meets
. Before this morning I had both feet firmly in the non social camp and what a blinkered view that turned out to be!
ceejaydee
Western Thunderer
Ahh the J94, you weren't there today were you? only ask as there was a J94 waddling around the outer track, I think the 'gang' tend to leave the outer track for those of a slightly different bent
Similar loco (as in low bunker) but no, not me.
Having had first hand experience of running some battery r/c locos at Cliff Barkers' fine S&D based G1 layout I can vouch for just how good they are and I most certainly didn't get fed up running the Black Five on the branch whilst a 'Project 4F' hurtled around one of the main loops below.
I get the live steam 'thing' which I indulge in with my 16mm very occasionally and 5" in the past. However laid back chuffing is my thing rather than running expresses; I even managed to get my old Mamod beastie to run very slowly with very little modification or financial outlay.
I originally planned to fit one of Cliff's r/c systems to my J94 but didn't see the point if I was only going to the expense to run at live steam days when it wasn't really for me.
If you like the G1 then try and get along to a G3 meet if you have a chance... that really is impressive.
Room for all in this hobby like you say.
adrian
Flying Squad
That's why I have always admired the work of Clarry Edwards and Rafe Shirley in 7mm. They built/build scale 7mm steamers, they were to built to scale, had full working valve gear.Two very fundamental things struck me, live steam guys are not interested in scale speeds or authentic working
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Live steamers tend to drop all sorts of nasties on the track,
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The other negative is the all to often...for me... stops to top the boilers up but I understand why and it's part of the 'game' I suppose
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It'd be nice to be able to move live steamers with out the hand of god but that involves lots of trickery and most run slip eccentrics which require a good shove to get going, again a compromise of live steam in such a small scale I fear.
Clarry built a Webb compound with joy valve gear, his A3 had the full conjugated valve gear and many of his other steamers others had inside stephenson motion. They were a joy to watch, prototypical speeds, very clean and perfectly setup. Many were fitted with axle pumps so that no stops were required for water. Rather than water troughs Clarry would flip open the tender water cover as the loco drifted past squirt a bit more water into the tender. His J70 tram loco was the only one I'm aware of that had slip eccentrics but that was rather tight on space, if I remember correctly the firebox was 3/4" square! It still steamed really well.
I can't honestly say that you don't have to compromise with live steam in a small scale but there are some superb scale 7mm live steamers. Have you seen David Moore's Jubilee, Rook? It would put many an electric loco to shame yet it is a scale live steam 3 cylinder Jubilee with full Walschaerts valve gear.
mickoo
Western Thunderer
Whilst researching A4 locos and tenders I struggled with what had what and when, there does not seem to be a difinative list in any of the publications I have so I drew up a spread sheet to collate the data, its quite simple and self evident I hope,
Green are A3 1928 corridor tenders
Yellow are A4 1935 corridor tenders with bowed end
Blue are A4 non corridor tenders
Those whos tender name is in red are fitted with the stainless steel strip below the tender footplate.
The text format is :- date fitted.....tender number.....date removed, you will note some tenders have a gap between changes, usually about 2 months, this may indicate a works visit, oddly in other cases there is no break in the time line and even though a loco was in works for two months it still had a tender allocated to it, even if only on paper, the gaps could also mean a temporary tender was allocated during works but not recorded.
The image is a screen grab of an excel sheet, available to anyone who wishes, I've yet to unravel handrails and streamlined fairings but for my intended period (1958-64) it has all the major information I require. This info is handy if you want to model a specific loco and are researching current kit choices, aka Finney of Piercy. Be wary of SNG, DDE and Mallard which had further tender changes after withdrawal, the data here is convoluted and does not tally across several sources so has been left off for clarity, the data is for operational service, not preservation.
A following spread sheet will show loco colours in a tabular form and I may do a depot one as I need to work out which locos were on the southern section (changed at Grantham) in my time period and those that worked right through.
As an aside I just found a small shot of an A5 at Kings X which justifies that class for me south of Grantham though it wasn't there for long, couple of months, not yet found out which shed it was stationed at, Hornsey?.
Hope this helps.
Kindest
Green are A3 1928 corridor tenders
Yellow are A4 1935 corridor tenders with bowed end
Blue are A4 non corridor tenders
Those whos tender name is in red are fitted with the stainless steel strip below the tender footplate.
The text format is :- date fitted.....tender number.....date removed, you will note some tenders have a gap between changes, usually about 2 months, this may indicate a works visit, oddly in other cases there is no break in the time line and even though a loco was in works for two months it still had a tender allocated to it, even if only on paper, the gaps could also mean a temporary tender was allocated during works but not recorded.
The image is a screen grab of an excel sheet, available to anyone who wishes, I've yet to unravel handrails and streamlined fairings but for my intended period (1958-64) it has all the major information I require. This info is handy if you want to model a specific loco and are researching current kit choices, aka Finney of Piercy. Be wary of SNG, DDE and Mallard which had further tender changes after withdrawal, the data here is convoluted and does not tally across several sources so has been left off for clarity, the data is for operational service, not preservation.
A following spread sheet will show loco colours in a tabular form and I may do a depot one as I need to work out which locos were on the southern section (changed at Grantham) in my time period and those that worked right through.
As an aside I just found a small shot of an A5 at Kings X which justifies that class for me south of Grantham
though it wasn't there for long, couple of months, not yet found out which shed it was stationed at, Hornsey?.Hope this helps.
Kindest
Rob Pulham
Western Thunderer
Hi Mick,
If only you had posted this 3 days ago, you would have saved me quite a bit of time cross referencing. It was my birthday on Monday and it brought me a Finney A4 with non corridor tender. Which after working out which had non corridor tenders I intend to build as Sparrow Hawk - when I get to it of course......
If only you had posted this 3 days ago, you would have saved me quite a bit of time cross referencing. It was my birthday on Monday and it brought me a Finney A4 with non corridor tender. Which after working out which had non corridor tenders I intend to build as Sparrow Hawk - when I get to it of course......
mickoo
Western Thunderer
Gents, in order to add balance to my large loco projects I'm looking at some smaller stuff, specifically V2 (smaller is relative LOL), N2 and J50...possibly also the J52, the J50 & J52 being very difficult to research as images seem a bit thin on the ground, all were used at the Cross (not sure yet on the J52) so fit in with the general theme I'm after, I'll turn my attention to the A5 at a later date.
I'm after drawings, basically original rod and pipe GA's as they tend to show all that I may need for a model, drawing numbers or sources I can get them from are greatly appreicated, I'll ask here first then over at the LNER pages as well as the NRM collection, if the LNER stuff is listed on the web even!.
Failing all that, the best 7mm models of the above so that I can use them as reference, the V2 would have to be a Finney of course, J50 Connoisseur (do they come with inside valve gear?) perhaps?, N2 no idea nor the A5. The GER society looks to do a nice set of drawings for the N7 which is a dinky little blighter that has caught my eye, though yet to find them any where than the GE area at the moment. Does anyone have any experience with their (GE Society) drawings and are there other societies that offer similar services for other LNER constituents?
I'm after drawings, basically original rod and pipe GA's as they tend to show all that I may need for a model, drawing numbers or sources I can get them from are greatly appreicated, I'll ask here first then over at the LNER pages as well as the NRM collection, if the LNER stuff is listed on the web even!.
Failing all that, the best 7mm models of the above so that I can use them as reference, the V2 would have to be a Finney of course, J50 Connoisseur (do they come with inside valve gear?) perhaps?, N2 no idea nor the A5. The GER society looks to do a nice set of drawings for the N7 which is a dinky little blighter that has caught my eye, though yet to find them any where than the GE area at the moment. Does anyone have any experience with their (GE Society) drawings and are there other societies that offer similar services for other LNER constituents?
Rob Pulham
Western Thunderer
Hi Mick I missed this bit earlier and was re-reading this morning. When I moved from 4mm to 7mm and sold all my stock off I kept my Hornby live steam locos and a rake of coaches just because they as you so aptly put it "bloody good fun."
Going on to your query re drawings. Andy Edgson (Isinglass Drawings) has some GA's for the J52 that he does copies of. I got some for my as yet untouched Ace J52.
To my knowledge there are only two N2 kits available and they are both quite basic but can be made into nice models - Warren Sheppard and Rising Star (Slaters).
If you manage to track down the N7 drawings I would be interested in finding out how you obtain them.
mickoo
Western Thunderer
Rob,
Here you go
http://www.gersociety.org.uk/index....ategory_id=17&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=84
This has to be the best and most painless way I have ever acquired a set of drawings, I'm not a member so that took and extra 30 seconds to fill in the details, all in all 2 mins it took and I had a set of drawings on my PC for a 7mm N7 all for the princely sum of £2.10!
If they had others I wanted...now going back to check as I have a dark side for GER tank engines....I'd grab the lot, the service they offer and the quality of drawing are above excellent, their service should be applauded and supported, well done the GER Society.
Regarding drawings, I have an admission, I'm a bit of a drawing / cartography junkie so like them just so. For modelling I'd like the best there is and accurate, sadly Isinglass drawings 'can' be wrong, much like Carter and Roche can be too, that's why I prefer factory drawings, they do cost more but you know they will, or should be right.
Anyway I now see NRM has most of their lists on the web http://www.nrm.org.uk/ResearchAndArchive/archiveandlibrarycollections/RailwayCoWorks.aspx which makes searching them much easier, the last time I looked (last year when collecting BoB / WC drawings) there wasn't nearly as many as these available on lineto search through.
So, the N2 is in the bag with Q-89N, I also spotted A1 with Q-132 pt1&2 and Q-133, and also found the A4 bow ended streamlined tender at R-142, need to find the A4 narrow non corridor too in due course as well as 1928 A3 rebuilds. I also espied some very nice A3 rod and pipe GAs and some lovely detailed frame drawings so there's plenty there for the LNER fan. I found some nice Britannia pipe and rod drawings too (a later project). I made the mistake when getting the Bullieds of looking for detailed drawings of selected parts, eg frames, stretchers, cylinder castings, it cost a fortune, should have just been looking for the pipe and rod drawings, much cheaper option and then perhaps the odd selected detailed one.
However I still cannot find the J50 and J52 or more worryingly the V2, it's not in the Doncaster lists, but then they were built at Darlington so maybe in those lists?, the J50 was built at Doncaster and does not exist at all as far as I can see.
Right off for more research and to rescale my N7 drawings to 1:32.
Here you go
http://www.gersociety.org.uk/index....ategory_id=17&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=84
This has to be the best and most painless way I have ever acquired a set of drawings, I'm not a member so that took and extra 30 seconds to fill in the details, all in all 2 mins it took and I had a set of drawings on my PC for a 7mm N7 all for the princely sum of £2.10!
If they had others I wanted...now going back to check as I have a dark side for GER tank engines....I'd grab the lot, the service they offer and the quality of drawing are above excellent, their service should be applauded and supported, well done the GER Society.
Regarding drawings, I have an admission, I'm a bit of a drawing / cartography junkie so like them just so. For modelling I'd like the best there is and accurate, sadly Isinglass drawings 'can' be wrong, much like Carter and Roche can be too, that's why I prefer factory drawings, they do cost more but you know they will, or should be right.
Anyway I now see NRM has most of their lists on the web http://www.nrm.org.uk/ResearchAndArchive/archiveandlibrarycollections/RailwayCoWorks.aspx which makes searching them much easier, the last time I looked (last year when collecting BoB / WC drawings) there wasn't nearly as many as these available on lineto search through.
So, the N2 is in the bag with Q-89N, I also spotted A1 with Q-132 pt1&2 and Q-133, and also found the A4 bow ended streamlined tender at R-142, need to find the A4 narrow non corridor too in due course as well as 1928 A3 rebuilds. I also espied some very nice A3 rod and pipe GAs and some lovely detailed frame drawings so there's plenty there for the LNER fan. I found some nice Britannia pipe and rod drawings too (a later project). I made the mistake when getting the Bullieds of looking for detailed drawings of selected parts, eg frames, stretchers, cylinder castings, it cost a fortune, should have just been looking for the pipe and rod drawings, much cheaper option and then perhaps the odd selected detailed one.
However I still cannot find the J50 and J52 or more worryingly the V2, it's not in the Doncaster lists, but then they were built at Darlington so maybe in those lists?, the J50 was built at Doncaster and does not exist at all as far as I can see.
Right off for more research and to rescale my N7 drawings to 1:32
.
Rob Pulham
Western Thunderer
Hi Mick,
The Isinglass drawings I refer to are not ones drawn by John they are original GA's (Only for a limited number of locos and not full sets as I understand it).
Thanks for the GER society link- I had looked on there previously after Graham gave me a link but missed this.
The Isinglass drawings I refer to are not ones drawn by John they are original GA's (Only for a limited number of locos and not full sets as I understand it).
Thanks for the GER society link- I had looked on there previously after Graham gave me a link but missed this.
Rob Pulham
Western Thunderer
Hi Mick, I dropped Andy Edgson an email to ask what he had on the J52 and he offered them to me.
mickoo
Western Thunderer
Well a little research has shown quite a few N7s worked on the GNR section of the ECML, many were based at Hatfield, which I never even knew had a shed?, at least a dozen were there from 1954-60
http://www.brdatabase.info/locoqry.php?action=class&id=601407&type=S&page=alloc
An excellent online site for checking loco allocations of specific classes, though may have some inaccuracies as some sources quote N7s at Ipswich, now that would be an added bonus, especially if they sat side by side with class 16, 21's and 24's! I've no idea what services they worked on from Hatfield as I've never seen one at the Cross and always figured they were GE locos through and through, this is a most pleasant turn up for the books, have drawings, have materials, now have data to fit location, all in all a very nice Sunday mornings research.
http://www.brdatabase.info/locoqry.php?action=class&id=601407&type=S&page=alloc
An excellent online site for checking loco allocations of specific classes, though may have some inaccuracies as some sources quote N7s at Ipswich, now that would be an added bonus, especially if they sat side by side with class 16, 21's and 24's! I've no idea what services they worked on from Hatfield as I've never seen one at the Cross and always figured they were GE locos through and through, this is a most pleasant turn up for the books, have drawings, have materials, now have data to fit location, all in all a very nice Sunday mornings research
.
S
SteveO
Guest
Mick, I'm positive I've read that there were a few N7s in Ipswich on push-pull services, maybe up and down the ESL, but I'm not sure on that. I'll see if I can find where I read it – maybe from a book I have.
mickoo
Western Thunderer
Steve, I had a longer look at the list and can only see two allocated to Ipswich 1949-51 ish, so no chance rubbing shoulders with diesels 
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I went back through my pile of mags I'd pulled to one side on GN ECML and sure enough, if you properly look at the images there are quite a few of N7 workings, I presume I'd just flicked through and only noticed A4s etc, amazing how if your not looking for something it is easy to pass it by and not notice!.
One thing with the GER Society N7 drawing is that they depict the loco as built, so, I'm currently adjusting them to later BR with the removal of condensong pipes and alterations to other fittings, you could just ignore this bit I work better if the drawing actually represents what I want to build, it also means I don't have to keep going back and forth through reference material to double check things. The drawing also depicts the earlier variant with original rear trailing wheel set up, luckily there are enough of that type used on the GN for me not to have to worry and make all the required adjustments for ones with trailing trucks and smaller wheels (phew!).
As an inspiration I came across this image http://www.flickr.com/photos/29126266@N00/3841000800/sizes/l/in/photostream/ nice broadside views like this really help working out the relationship of parts and form of a loco.
.I went back through my pile of mags I'd pulled to one side on GN ECML and sure enough, if you properly look at the images there are quite a few of N7 workings, I presume I'd just flicked through and only noticed A4s etc, amazing how if your not looking for something it is easy to pass it by and not notice!.
One thing with the GER Society N7 drawing is that they depict the loco as built, so, I'm currently adjusting them to later BR with the removal of condensong pipes and alterations to other fittings, you could just ignore this bit I work better if the drawing actually represents what I want to build, it also means I don't have to keep going back and forth through reference material to double check things
. The drawing also depicts the earlier variant with original rear trailing wheel set up, luckily there are enough of that type used on the GN for me not to have to worry and make all the required adjustments for ones with trailing trucks and smaller wheels (phew!).As an inspiration I came across this image http://www.flickr.com/photos/29126266@N00/3841000800/sizes/l/in/photostream/ nice broadside views like this really help working out the relationship of parts and form of a loco.
mickoo
Western Thunderer
Drawings, Well Isinglass were very accommodating with a set of J52 drawings, however as might be expected for a drawing who's origin could well be over 100 years the quality is not what we expect in the 'digital' age, but, it is workable.
Having spent nearly 10 years in CAD modelling and painting layered textures for flight sim aircraft its no hard ship to begin a restoration on these drawings, the original is copied a couple of times and stored safe on a couple of external hard drives (as I do for all my work that is important to me), the next thing to do was to double the size of the existing image to get some fidelity back, past scanning and rescanning has left some areas a little jaded so an enlargement will help here for future generations.
Having accomplished our base canvas its simply a case of adding layers and then drawing over the top, I say 'simply' as its a big ask with GA's as there are lines everywhere!. Still after one week of a few hours here and there we have the below, it'll take maybe a month or more to finish the whole drawing.
The cropped image above is 1/3rd scale of the master and drastically compressed for the forum, but y'all get the idea...I hope?.
I've spoken to the current Isinglass owner and he is more than happy to receive a copy back for his collection, which should hopefully help generations to come if they ever chose the J52.
Right back to the grindstone, another 45mins should see the safety valve area cleaned up.
Enjoy
Having spent nearly 10 years in CAD modelling and painting layered textures for flight sim aircraft its no hard ship to begin a restoration on these drawings, the original is copied a couple of times and stored safe on a couple of external hard drives (as I do for all my work that is important to me), the next thing to do was to double the size of the existing image to get some fidelity back, past scanning and rescanning has left some areas a little jaded so an enlargement will help here for future generations.
Having accomplished our base canvas its simply a case of adding layers and then drawing over the top, I say 'simply' as its a big ask with GA's as there are lines everywhere!. Still after one week of a few hours here and there we have the below, it'll take maybe a month or more to finish the whole drawing.
The cropped image above is 1/3rd scale of the master and drastically compressed for the forum, but y'all get the idea...I hope?.
I've spoken to the current Isinglass owner and he is more than happy to receive a copy back for his collection, which should hopefully help generations to come if they ever chose the J52.
Right back to the grindstone, another 45mins should see the safety valve area cleaned up
.Enjoy