Prototype Tim Mills' Photos

[Roger Pound]

I had wondered about the last digit on the "Mystery Princess Royal" being a seven, but the nameplate doesn't look big enough for "Princess Arthur of Connaught" - or perhaps that is only the bracket for it, as by then nameplates were frequently removed when a loco was put in store. There just seemed a vertical aspect of the downward stroke of the digit making it appear straight. Of course, the whole thing is affected by the viewing angle. I understand 46207 was withdrawn on 25 Nov 61, so it could have been at Crewe at the time of the photograph, although nominally an 8A engine.

I must admit that I had a particular liking for 46207 - she was the first of the class I ever saw - excluding the 'Turbomotive' which had passed through a little earlier the same day. That was way back in the late 'Forties'..........

I hope there is something of interest here, even if my thoughts are "way off beam".

Roger

 

[oldravendale]

Thanks again Grahame @Dog Star . You have a nose for these inaccuracies, don't you, for which I'm eternally grateful? That was a combination of finger trouble and "failing to check my work" - again! Scrap date was actually June 1968 which I'll now correct.

Martin @Martin Shaw . Thanks for clarifying the date of allocation to Crewe South for 44679. Also for the precise details for 48345. Both added to the accompanying notes for these locos.

Thanks for your comments Roger @Roger Pound. Sorry to disappoint, but 46207 was at Willesden in store without nameplates at the least between 25th March 1961 and 18th June 1961. It was reinstated in August 1961 at Camden so if the date of the photo at Crewe as 7th May 1961 is correct, and I accept that can always be questioned, it can't be 46207.

 

[Roger Pound]

Thanks for your comments Roger @Roger Pound. Sorry to disappoint, but 46207 was at Willesden in store without nameplates at the least between 25th March 1961 and 18th June 1961. It was reinstated in August 1961 at Camden so if the date of the photo at Crewe as 7th May 1961 is correct, and I accept that can always be questioned, it can't be 46207.

Thank you Brian - it was just a surmise based on aged eyes and a personal whim, to be honest. I am indeed obliged for the additional information regarding 46207.

I regret that I find the depths one can plumb in this electronic age into railway research is now beyond both my skill set and patience, these days. I guess senility has set in, .

Roger .

 

[oldravendale]

I appreciate your further comment, Roger. As for senility, judging by the quality of your communications I think not!

Standard Class 4 4-6-0 75030 at Willesden Station on a freight from Kensington on 20th May 1961. The loco had been allocated to Willesden since the end of January 1960. It then went to Nuneaton in February 1963, Stoke in October the same year and finally Tebay in June 1967 where it was withdrawn at the end of the year. (SLS). It then went to Arnot Young, Carmyle where it was scrapped in July 1968. (BR Database).



Princess Coronation 46235 City of Birmingham coming off Willesden Shed past Willesden Station on 19th May 1961. It had been a Crewe North engine since at least the beginning of 1948 and was withdrawn in September 1964. (SLS and BR Database). The SLS reported it stored at Crewe North on 15th November 1964 and then in the Crewe Works Paint Shop at various daes between 14th November 1965 and 8th May 1966 before it went in to preservation – see
46235 City of Birmingham (LMS 6235 & BR 46235)



Britannia 70042 Lord Roberts coming off Willesden Shed past the station on 19th May 1961. At the time it was allocated to Willesden and had been there since February 1961 although it was loaned to Willesden from the end of 1960 by Trafford Park. It moved to Crewe North in June 1963, Crewe South in June 1965, Holyhead in July 1965 and finally Carlisle Kingmoor in January 1966 where it was withdrawn in May 1967. (SLS). It was scrapped at J McWilliams, Shettleston in October 1967. (BR Database).



Brian

 

[Barry37]

I appreciate your further comment, Roger. As for senility, judging by the quality of your communications I think not!

Standard Class 4 4-6-0 75030 at Willesden Station on a freight from Kensington on 20th May 1961. The loco had been allocated to Willesden since the end of January 1960. It then went to Nuneaton in February 1963, Stoke in October the same year and finally Tebay in June 1967 where it was withdrawn at the end of the year. (SLS). It then went to Arnot Young, Carmyle where it was scrapped in July 1968. (BR Database).

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Princess Coronation 46235 City of Birmingham coming off Willesden Shed past Willesden Station on 19th May 1961. It had been a Crewe North engine since at least the beginning of 1948 and was withdrawn in September 1964. (SLS and BR Database). The SLS reported it stored at Crewe North on 15th November 1964 and then in the Crewe Works Paint Shop at various daes between 14th November 1965 and 8th May 1966 before it went in to preservation – see
46235 City of Birmingham (LMS 6235 & BR 46235)

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Britannia 70042 Lord Roberts coming off Willesden Shed past the station on 19th May 1961. At the time it was allocated to Willesden and had been there since February 1961 although it was loaned to Willesden from the end of 1960 by Trafford Park. It moved to Crewe North in June 1963, Crewe South in June 1965, Holyhead in July 1965 and finally Carlisle Kingmoor in January 1966 where it was withdrawn in May 1967. (SLS). It was scrapped at J McWilliams, Shettleston in October 1967. (BR Database).

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Brian

In the freight hauled by 75030, the fourth van appears to be an LMS steel van to D1828/29. It's one of the Gloucester RC&W built vans, which had crossed angle iron strengthening on the doors. The other builders used crossed flat strip, or none - perhaps it was inside? There was an article by Mick Moore in MRJ No. 238 (2015) about making 4mm models of these vans.

 

[oldravendale]

More wagonry, Barry @Barry37 . How you detect these things from such a distance is beyond me but I'm glad you do. Should you want any section of a picture blown up (accepting that grain can quickly become an issue) please let me know. I'm always happy to do so. Thanks for the info on this one.

8F 48325 passing the station and making for the shed at Willesden on 19th May 1961. It had been on Willesden’s allocation since the end of December 1950. moving to Croes Newydd in December 1964, Springs Branch, Wigan, in April 1967 and Patricroft in December the same year where it was withdrawn in May 1968. (SLS). It was reported at Ward’s, Beighton, Sheffield by the RO and that it was scrapped in October 1968. (BR Database).



Black 5 45371 passing Willesden Junction Station with an up Windermere relief train on 19th May 1961. It was at Carlisle Upperby in June 1947 and loaned to Rugby in November 1953 before being allocated to Carlisle Upperby in January 1954. It moved to Carlisle Kingmoor in December 1966 and finally Workington in February 1967 where it was withdrawn in April the same year. (SLS). The Railway Observer report it at Motherwell Machinery and Scrap where it was disposed of in August 1967. (BR Database). Motherwell Machinery & Scrap, Wishaw RO



Jubilee 45709 Implacable on a down Holyhead relief train at Willesden Station on 19th May 1961. It had been allocated to Crewe South since the end of December 1960, moving to Crewe North in June 1962, Saltley in March 1963, Derby in the following July and back to Saltley three months later where it was withdrawn in November 1963 although there’s a suggestion that it may have gone to Crewe North a month later. (SLS). In fact BR Database suggest it went to Crewe North in November 1963 where it was almost immediately withdrawn. It was, however, scrapped at Cashmore’s, Great Bridge in August 1964. (BR Database).

Implacable made a most unexpected journey on 26th May 1963 when it hauled the Metropolitan Railway Enthusiasts Centennial Commemorative train comprising Dreadnought steam hauled stock from Amersham to Aylesbury tender first and then return after running round instead of the anticipated Fairburn 2-6-4T of the type previously routinely used on the Met steam hauled services. The train was hauled from Baker Street to Amersham and return by Met electric loco No 5 John Hampden – loco changes had previously taken place at Rickmansworth but facilities to do so had been withdrawn on the completion of electrification at Amersham. The train was said to be not overcrowded but the fare of £1 may have restricted support!



Brian