Warley - Who went, Report Here!!! (was 'Yorkchestershire' thread)

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28ten

Guv'nor
You will find out as soon as possible:);):thumbs:



A fair comparison to me would be between a RTR Heljan at around £450 & a RTR JLTRT at around £2000+........niggles aside, I will be going with Heljan :)
Blimey I dont know where you buy your kits from :eek: :)) Non dcc the JLTRT is about 800 notes
 

Phill Dyson

Western Thunderer
You didnt specify that :p
Personally I would hang fire and see what Dapol do.

Well I did say RTR JLTRT :p:D........you would have to add the cost of some nice gearboxes into the RTR JLTRT one too for a fair comparision with Heljan ;) :)

I'ts a fair point about Dapol;) , but I don't think they have claimed they will produce one & there's not much sign of anything from them yet.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Went Warley yesterday and had an enjoyable day......but same old problem stood looking at some layouts for five minutes and nothing moved. Some one made a very apt remark of one layout as he walked away "must be a static display". Some really excellent layouts, there was a Scottish 7mm modern image (well almost) not a period that I have any real interest in but seeing this I could be tempted! really nice stock including dmu's and a voyager. I could have watched it all day, did anyone take any photos?

I wanted to be impressed with Aberggeegg!, superb models but nothing moved for over 15mins, the crew more intent on sharing some internal joke focused on mimicking some person in a funny voice, not impressed to be honest. Don't get me wrong, humour is great and a little banter here and there is fine, so long as its short lived and there's trains to watch, clearly they were having fun, sadly none of the paying punters were, I and several others walked away in despair.
I'm sure it runs to a prototypical timetable but in fairness if I wanted to sit line side and watch no trains for hours I'd do it outside in the fresh air and not constantly be banging elbows with people, a superb layout spoilt by no or little movement.

The other underwhelming one was the gauge 3 branch terminus, again excellent modelling but little movement, for goodness sake just make something up!, however the biggest spoiler was the locos, actually loco, only ever saw one move!, excellent models and looked like they were track fed and the slow speed was so jerky I thought it more akin to Hornby from the 80s, given the recent thread on battery power, here clearly was a very visible exercise in how not to power large locos, very disappointed in seeing such large well detailed locos perform worse than much smaller stock.

Conversely the oo-9 cliff layout nearly always had something running and being single track with a passing loop station clearly wasn't running to a prototypical time table and as such kept a lot of people glued to the stand for some considerable time.

The other impressive layout was Liverpool Lime Street, but again some operational issues, you couldn't get close enough as the operators were sat in front of large panels at the front of the layout. Being 4mm you were a good ten 6-10' away which makes 4mm look a tad small, I admire the panels, all fully automated and track routed and very impressive to watch as was the remote controlled traverser/ selector plate, but I wanted to see the layout. It was so far away with people in front and a very narrow viewing area (high layout with lower top fascia) I was left feeling like I was looking at something through a letter box.
A fundamental problem with Lime Street is that most if not all is in a cutting, they did leave the side wall off the approach tracks which was very impressive but included the sloped walls from the station throat down to the end stops so one only really either saw the station roof for 1/3rd or the station buffers and concourse for the other 1/3rd, scenically excellent beyond words but for punters to watch, very restricted.

I'll stop there before I offend any one else LOL, but these were my impressions and I'm sure differ from a great many others, once I'd been around a few times I started to look at which layouts had/ held the biggest crowds and that was as insightful as anything I achieved yesterday. Anything roundy roundy always had good crowds, large depot layouts with stuff always moving were popular too, the larger 7mm depot layout was always rammed, I over heard a couple of guys say they would come back later when it had died down, to which another turned and said. you'll be lucky, I've been here 10mins trying to get a look in.

Kindest
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
It a little too curved, but it looks much better then the HJ. for me there are too many niggling little things with the HJ, look at the sand box covers and the valancing under the cab. Imho it idoesnt look as good as the Dapol 4mm wessie. Put it this way it hasnt made my wallet twitch :))

It might be possible to amend the front screen with some accurate etches but you'd also need to add some fillets to the underside of the brow to suit, granted not something you should have to do with RTR, but possible I suppose.
 

marsa69

Western Thunderer
I fully concur with Mick about the Aberbeeg layout. This is the second time that I've seen it in the flesh and the second time that I've walked away thinking that was pants. Not the layout itself mind but the operating side of things, big let down.
 

Jordan

Mid-Western Thunderer
Just had a closer look at Marsa's picture of the HJ Western.....
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It has just nose-dived again in my expectations... what a ghastly join between body and valance. I can think of no other polite word for it. Glad I didn't want one in the first place....:rolleyes:
The Class 31, on the other hand...:);):thumbs:

Interesting to hear about the old issue of movement, or the lack of, on major layouts....
 

marsa69

Western Thunderer
there was a Scottish 7mm modern image (well almost) not a period that I have any real interest in but seeing this I could be tempted! really nice stock including dmu's and a voyager. I could have watched it all day,

That was Invergeachy, owned by a certain Mssr Jim McGeachy, excellent layout :thumbs:
 

iploffy

OC Blue Brigade
I fully concur with Mick about the Aberbeeg layout. This is the second time that I've seen it in the flesh and the second time that I've walked away thinking that was pants. Not the layout itself mind but the operating side of things, big let down.

Don't forget the pile of sick on the floor We remarked about that layout last year at the GOG Telford. They obviously didn't learn and positively didn't want to or couldn't answer questions on the layout. I watched a Class 37 pulling a load of mineral wagons with the Brake Van on the dirt , I told the bloke instead of stopping it he pulled it back by the couplings and did a 5 fingered breakdown crane on it.
 

Phill Dyson

Western Thunderer
It has just nose-dived again in my expectations... what a ghastly join between body and valance. I can think of no other polite word for it. Glad I didn't want one in the first place....:rolleyes:
Why on earth the valances are not part of the bodyshell is beyond me :confused:..............Lima managed to do it right on their oo gauge Western in about 1976:rolleyes:

When I get my hands on one the valances & screens are the biggest issues for me , a sandbox etch would be nice too.

Although I will still probably get one, there is no real excuse for these faults IMO:(
 

28ten

Guv'nor
I'll stop there before I offend any one else LOL, but these were my impressions and I'm sure differ from a great many others, once I'd been around a few times I started to look at which layouts had/ held the biggest crowds and that was as insightful as anything I achieved yesterday. Anything roundy roundy always had good crowds, large depot layouts with stuff always moving were popular too, the larger 7mm depot layout was always rammed, I over heard a couple of guys say they would come back later when it had died down, to which another turned and said. you'll be lucky, I've been here 10mins trying to get a look in.

Kindest
You paid good money, imho you are entitled to be critical. it is a show and as such exhibitors should be providing entertainment.
As Ian says Aberbeeg sadly failed to impress last time we saw it.
 

marsa69

Western Thunderer
It's more annoying because Aberbeeg has a lot of potential but so far I think it's firmly in Apethorn Junctions shadow. Now that is a layout that drew the crowds at last years Warley and everytime I've seen it I've come away thinking that that is what I want from an exhibition layout :thumbs:

Invergeachy is another excellent layout. Simple but operated to maximum effect ;)
 

28ten

Guv'nor
It's more annoying because Aberbeeg has a lot of potential but so far I think it's firmly in Apethorn Junctions shadow. ;)
We don't know if it has ( had) technical problems, or whatever, it was certainly very much work in progress when i saw it at Telford.
 

28ten

Guv'nor
Why on earth the valances are not part of the bodyshell is beyond me :confused:..............Lima managed to do it right on their oo gauge Western in about 1976:rolleyes:

When I get my hands on one the valances & screens are the biggest issues for me , a sandbox etch would be nice too.

Although I will still probably get one, there is no real excuse for these faults IMO:(
I think that is what irks me the most, they are easily avoidable.
 

Pennine MC

Western Thunderer
It's more annoying because Aberbeeg has a lot of potential but so far I think it's firmly in Apethorn Junctions shadow. Now that is a layout that drew the crowds at last years Warley and everytime I've seen it I've come away thinking that that is what I want from an exhibition layout :thumbs:

I hesitate to turn the forum into a bitching ground critical appraisal about individual layouts (you never know who's reading), but as we're making comparisons, I have to observe the contrary about Apethorn. When I first saw it in ModelRail a few years ago, I thought the layout itself was very nicely done (and the preview shot the month before, of a nearly head-on shot of a blue 37 on the hoppers was stunning), but in the flesh I think it's a massive letdown. It seems to me to be all about the sound and lights; there are inappropriate locos running with mismatched stock and some very unconvincing kitbuilds (and those Lima ferry vans...), whereas Aberbeeg instantly convinces me that it is in fact a WR outpost in the Valleys.
 

Jordan

Mid-Western Thunderer
I hesitate to turn the forum into a bitching ground critical appraisal about individual layouts (you never know who's reading), but as we're making comparisons, ..
Reading back carefully through the comments, the only 'comparison' I've noted concerns the actual operation/movement of trains - not the quality of the actual modelling.
Individual taste greatly affects the way we view layouts.... I couldn't get near Apethorn Junc. at Telford, but the glimpses I got looked great & I have remembered it; it's taken this thread to remind me of Abergeeg, which we saw at Telford as well. Not even the recent (RM?) magazine article about it reminded me that I'd seen it for real....
 

Pennine MC

Western Thunderer
Reading back carefully through the comments, the only 'comparison' I've noted concerns the actual operation/movement of trains - not the quality of the actual modelling.

It's more annoying because Aberbeeg has a lot of potential but so far I think it's firmly in Apethorn Junctions shadow. Now that is a layout that drew the crowds at last years Warley and everytime I've seen it I've come away thinking that that is what I want from an exhibition layout :thumbs:

Well, that to me is a comparison, however you look at it. I've quoted it in full this time, but the context still isnt specific. Also, my comments about Apethorn were more about its operation than anything else; I clearly said the layout itself (meaning track, buildings etc) were nicely done.
 

28ten

Guv'nor
I don't really remember Apethorn junction very well I have only seen it once.
As a general observation, a great many layouts that looked great in photos have disappointed me when seen live.
 
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