Prototype Tim Mills' Photos
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Martin Shaw
Western Thunderer
Brian
Some minor housekeeping notes.
The captions for #3692 and #3693 are swapped.
Five Hunt class locomotives were modified in 1949-52 with cast steel axleboxes and manganese steel horn cheeks and a redesigned leading bogie similar to that fitted to a Thompson B1. This was an attempt to improve the really poor riding with I suspect limited success. Two of them 62743/4 were permanently allocated to Scotland. 2743 remained at Haymarket for its remaining years in traffic, 2744 moved around a bit, Dundee, Thornton Junc, Hawick. No doubt looking for a sympathetic shedmaster, came there none was I suspect the answer. I have heard directly from former enginemen at both Eastfield and Haymarket that the D49s were wholly disliked which mirrors my own experience of 62712 Morayshire.
For the record,
62743 The Cleveland, York 23/8/32, Bridlington 9/5/38, Botanic Gdns 11/7/38, York 26/9/38, Gateshead 22/11/40, Botanic Gdns 12/5/46,
Haymarket 1/1/51, Wdn 9/5/60.
62744 The Holderness, Neville Hill 12/10/32, Gateshead 13/12/34, Botanic Gdns 9/10/45, York 8/10/48, Dundee Tay Bridge 9/3/52,
Thornton Junc 19/2/57, Hawick 9/4/60, Wdn 30/12/60, Cut up Cowlairs engine 14/3/62, tender 20/2/62.
62705 Lanarkshire, St Margarets 22/12/27, Haymarket 3/43, wdn 30/11/59.
Part of the caption from #3701 which doesn't read quite right,
Also from Yeadon, 67492 St Margarets 4/16, Wdn 2/3/60, Sold to J.N.Connell, Coatbridge 24/5/60.
Martin
Some minor housekeeping notes.
The captions for #3692 and #3693 are swapped.
Five Hunt class locomotives were modified in 1949-52 with cast steel axleboxes and manganese steel horn cheeks and a redesigned leading bogie similar to that fitted to a Thompson B1. This was an attempt to improve the really poor riding with I suspect limited success. Two of them 62743/4 were permanently allocated to Scotland. 2743 remained at Haymarket for its remaining years in traffic, 2744 moved around a bit, Dundee, Thornton Junc, Hawick. No doubt looking for a sympathetic shedmaster, came there none was I suspect the answer. I have heard directly from former enginemen at both Eastfield and Haymarket that the D49s were wholly disliked which mirrors my own experience of 62712 Morayshire.
For the record,
62743 The Cleveland, York 23/8/32, Bridlington 9/5/38, Botanic Gdns 11/7/38, York 26/9/38, Gateshead 22/11/40, Botanic Gdns 12/5/46,
Haymarket 1/1/51, Wdn 9/5/60.
62744 The Holderness, Neville Hill 12/10/32, Gateshead 13/12/34, Botanic Gdns 9/10/45, York 8/10/48, Dundee Tay Bridge 9/3/52,
Thornton Junc 19/2/57, Hawick 9/4/60, Wdn 30/12/60, Cut up Cowlairs engine 14/3/62, tender 20/2/62.
62705 Lanarkshire, St Margarets 22/12/27, Haymarket 3/43, wdn 30/11/59.
Part of the caption from #3701 which doesn't read quite right,
Presumably this should read from Bo'ness dump to Clarkston although I think Yeadon is more likely.
Also from Yeadon, 67492 St Margarets 4/16, Wdn 2/3/60, Sold to J.N.Connell, Coatbridge 24/5/60.
Martin
Martin Shaw
Western Thunderer
Picking up on Arun's post there were a few hire/loan/purchase of SECR P class locos.
1555/1556/1325 were all loaned to the KESR before and after WWII to cover for KESR No3 whilst it was overhauled at Ashford. The terrier eventually became 32670 in BR stock.
When the KESR section of the SReg closed in 1961 James Hodson and Sons of Roberstbridge needed a small locomotive to move grain traffic over their half mile of siding and bought 31556 from BR. This loco is preserved on the current KESR but I don't think it's currently operational.
In June 1958 Messrs Bowaters purchased 31178 from BR and it shunted at Ridham Dock until 1969 when it suffered cylinder damage and was withdrawn. It was subsequently bought as scrap by the Bluebell Railway as spares for their other two P class but usefully included a spare boiler, but has in fact been restored to running order. Quite what that railway does with three small tank engines wholly unsuited to their traffic needs begs a rather different question.
Martin
1555/1556/1325 were all loaned to the KESR before and after WWII to cover for KESR No3 whilst it was overhauled at Ashford. The terrier eventually became 32670 in BR stock.
When the KESR section of the SReg closed in 1961 James Hodson and Sons of Roberstbridge needed a small locomotive to move grain traffic over their half mile of siding and bought 31556 from BR. This loco is preserved on the current KESR but I don't think it's currently operational.
In June 1958 Messrs Bowaters purchased 31178 from BR and it shunted at Ridham Dock until 1969 when it suffered cylinder damage and was withdrawn. It was subsequently bought as scrap by the Bluebell Railway as spares for their other two P class but usefully included a spare boiler, but has in fact been restored to running order. Quite what that railway does with three small tank engines wholly unsuited to their traffic needs begs a rather different question.
Martin
oldravendale
Western Thunderer
Hi Jan @Lyndhurstman and delighted that you found another relatively rare wagon. I'd certainly not have recognised it without your advice. And a good find of those dock tank photos, Rob @Rob R.
Arun and Martin @Martin Shaw. An interesting if short diversion in to a little discussed element of railway history. I remember "Pioneer" well. As for a model of a "Y9" I can find no record of one although it's said that the Hornby "Smokey Joe" was based on the class. Also, Martin, thanks for keeping me on my toes. Those commentaries on the Hunts attached to the wrong pictures are entirely down to me - Tim's notes are correct for each photo so the record is adjusted by way of an edit. I'm so pleased and grateful that someone checks my homework. I've also read that the D49s were not liked by crews as being a really uncomfortable ride. As for #3701 - another error down to me so thanks again.
Dave @Dave Holt . That coal supply is a good spot! I suspect your suggestion is rather tongue in cheek, though. Doubtless a convenient tunnel mouth, and the loco running in the correct direction, would automatically deposit the coal in the correct location.
K3 2-6-0 61933 on shed at Saint Margarets Shed, Edinburgh, on 18th January 1959. The K3 was allocated to St Margarets from January 1948 (BR Database) and was withdrawn in September 1960. (SLS). It was observed intact at Cowlairs Works in 30th January 1961. (RO).
J72 0-6-0Ts 69021 & 69022 in Darlington Station (probably North Road) coupled light – that wagon is not coupled – on 31st January 1959.
69021 was allocated to Darlington and was there since April 1951. It went in to store in July 1961 and transfer to West Hartlepool in the following September. It was withdrawn in September 1963 (SLS) before being cut up at Darlington Scrap Yard in January 1964. (RO). The SLS also have a note that the loco was seen in Darlington Scrap Yard on 18th January 1964.
69022 was previously in post #2437. It was shedded at Darlington from new in 1951 and then went to West Hartlepool in September 1961 where it was withdrawn at the end of December 1962. (SLS). It was disposed of at Darlington North Road Works (Yeadons and Rail UK) in February 1963. (Rail UK).
A5 4-6-2T 69842 at the closed Darlington North Road Station awaiting the call to the scrap yard on 31st January 1959. The final allocation for this loco was Thornaby in June 1958 where it was withdrawn the following October. It’s reported as being in store in December. (SLS). It was scrapped at Darlington Works in August 1959.
D49 62754 The Berkeley at the closed Darlington North Road Station awaiting the final call to the scrap yard on 31st January 1959. Along with quite a few others of the class this D49 was allocated to Hull Botanic Gardens and had been there since at least January 1948. (BR Database). It was withdrawn in November 1958 and stored in December. In May the following year the loco was recorded in the scrap yard at Darlington. (SLS).
69864 ahead of it was an A8 Pacific tank last allocated to Whitby in June 1950 and withdrawn in October 1958. (SLS). The SLS also reports it in store in December the same year. It went in to Darlington for scrapping on 12th January 1959, a job completed in February. (BR Database).
Brian
Arun and Martin @Martin Shaw. An interesting if short diversion in to a little discussed element of railway history. I remember "Pioneer" well. As for a model of a "Y9" I can find no record of one although it's said that the Hornby "Smokey Joe" was based on the class. Also, Martin, thanks for keeping me on my toes. Those commentaries on the Hunts attached to the wrong pictures are entirely down to me - Tim's notes are correct for each photo so the record is adjusted by way of an edit. I'm so pleased and grateful that someone checks my homework. I've also read that the D49s were not liked by crews as being a really uncomfortable ride. As for #3701 - another error down to me so thanks again.
Dave @Dave Holt . That coal supply is a good spot! I suspect your suggestion is rather tongue in cheek, though. Doubtless a convenient tunnel mouth, and the loco running in the correct direction, would automatically deposit the coal in the correct location.
K3 2-6-0 61933 on shed at Saint Margarets Shed, Edinburgh, on 18th January 1959. The K3 was allocated to St Margarets from January 1948 (BR Database) and was withdrawn in September 1960. (SLS). It was observed intact at Cowlairs Works in 30th January 1961. (RO).
J72 0-6-0Ts 69021 & 69022 in Darlington Station (probably North Road) coupled light – that wagon is not coupled – on 31st January 1959.
69021 was allocated to Darlington and was there since April 1951. It went in to store in July 1961 and transfer to West Hartlepool in the following September. It was withdrawn in September 1963 (SLS) before being cut up at Darlington Scrap Yard in January 1964. (RO). The SLS also have a note that the loco was seen in Darlington Scrap Yard on 18th January 1964.
69022 was previously in post #2437. It was shedded at Darlington from new in 1951 and then went to West Hartlepool in September 1961 where it was withdrawn at the end of December 1962. (SLS). It was disposed of at Darlington North Road Works (Yeadons and Rail UK) in February 1963. (Rail UK).
A5 4-6-2T 69842 at the closed Darlington North Road Station awaiting the call to the scrap yard on 31st January 1959. The final allocation for this loco was Thornaby in June 1958 where it was withdrawn the following October. It’s reported as being in store in December. (SLS). It was scrapped at Darlington Works in August 1959.
D49 62754 The Berkeley at the closed Darlington North Road Station awaiting the final call to the scrap yard on 31st January 1959. Along with quite a few others of the class this D49 was allocated to Hull Botanic Gardens and had been there since at least January 1948. (BR Database). It was withdrawn in November 1958 and stored in December. In May the following year the loco was recorded in the scrap yard at Darlington. (SLS).
69864 ahead of it was an A8 Pacific tank last allocated to Whitby in June 1950 and withdrawn in October 1958. (SLS). The SLS also reports it in store in December the same year. It went in to Darlington for scrapping on 12th January 1959, a job completed in February. (BR Database).
Brian
Martin Shaw
Western Thunderer
Some additional details
61933 Darlington 29/9/34, York 10/11/34, St Margarets 25/4/40, Carlisle Canal 1/10/43, St Margarets 5/3/45, Wdn 16/9/60, Cut up Cowlairs.
69842 Blaydon 31/3/26, Saltburn 25/5/28, Darlington 10/4/39, Saltburn 2/1/49, Norwich 25/2/51, Neasden 11/3/51, Stratford 8/4/51,
Neasden 13/5/51, Darlington 1/7/51, Stockton 19/6/54, West Hartlepool 15/9/57, Saltburn 10/11/57, Middlesbrough 2/2/58, Thornaby 1/6/58,
Wdn 29/10/58, Cut up Darlington.
62754 The Berkeley Scarborough 20/7/34, Hull Botanic Gdns 29/11/34, Scarbororugh 1/7/35, York 28/11/40, Botanic Gdns 8/10/45, Wdn 3/11/58.
69864 Stockton 27/6/35, West Hartlepool 28/2/42, Whitby 4/6/50, Wdn 9/10/58, Cut up Darlington. This loco was a rebuild of H1 class 4-4-4T no 2157 Heaton 2/14, Gateshead 21/8/29, into Darlington for rebuild 12/3/35.
Martin
61933 Darlington 29/9/34, York 10/11/34, St Margarets 25/4/40, Carlisle Canal 1/10/43, St Margarets 5/3/45, Wdn 16/9/60, Cut up Cowlairs.
69842 Blaydon 31/3/26, Saltburn 25/5/28, Darlington 10/4/39, Saltburn 2/1/49, Norwich 25/2/51, Neasden 11/3/51, Stratford 8/4/51,
Neasden 13/5/51, Darlington 1/7/51, Stockton 19/6/54, West Hartlepool 15/9/57, Saltburn 10/11/57, Middlesbrough 2/2/58, Thornaby 1/6/58,
Wdn 29/10/58, Cut up Darlington.
62754 The Berkeley Scarborough 20/7/34, Hull Botanic Gdns 29/11/34, Scarbororugh 1/7/35, York 28/11/40, Botanic Gdns 8/10/45, Wdn 3/11/58.
69864 Stockton 27/6/35, West Hartlepool 28/2/42, Whitby 4/6/50, Wdn 9/10/58, Cut up Darlington. This loco was a rebuild of H1 class 4-4-4T no 2157 Heaton 2/14, Gateshead 21/8/29, into Darlington for rebuild 12/3/35.
Martin
BillyRuffian
Member
Darlington Power Station is visible top right in the pictures of 69021 and 69022. This was the second power station on the site, opened 1940, closed and demolished in the 1970s.
The train shed at Darlington North Road Station where the locomotives were photographed is indeed closed and is now a museum, the roof beams in the shot of of 62754 are visible in several of the slides here. However, the station is still open, the remaining platform is beyond the wall behind the stored locomotives - Tim is looking east, signal gantry just visible far right is shown here. The entry in disused-stations and elsewhere can be rather confusing, as does often list the station as closed.
Are the locomotives beyond 62754 another A8 and an A5?
Paul
Edit following post by Martin: Hadn't spotted that the post said "probably North Road". It is indeed Darlington, formerly Bank Top, looking north from the footbridge, thanks Martin
The train shed at Darlington North Road Station where the locomotives were photographed is indeed closed and is now a museum, the roof beams in the shot of of 62754 are visible in several of the slides here. However, the station is still open, the remaining platform is beyond the wall behind the stored locomotives - Tim is looking east, signal gantry just visible far right is shown here. The entry in disused-stations and elsewhere can be rather confusing, as does often list the station as closed.
Are the locomotives beyond 62754 another A8 and an A5?
Paul
Edit following post by Martin: Hadn't spotted that the post said "probably North Road". It is indeed Darlington, formerly Bank Top, looking north from the footbridge, thanks Martin
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Barry37
Western Thunderer
31178 worked at Bowaters (Sittingbourne) in 1953, and was purchased by them in 1958, and named "Pioneer II" – sold to the Bluebell Railway in 1969.