Compton castle
Western Thunderer
Oh yes, it's a very cramped location but that turn table area would make a great model
7mm Aneurin Bridge ( St Stephen’s General station )
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mickoo
Western Thunderer
The problem with Camden is it's size, it's actually bigger than most realize, especially if you model all of it.
The main shed is five roads but with wider than average spacing and then there's the two road machine shop tacked on the side plus the two run round / coaling roads, overall in 7mm your looking at roughly 30'x5'; even if you just modelled the turntable with the North facing shed entrance your looking at 13'x5' if you included the coaling tower.
However the biggest killer is the covered shed, unlike Ranelagh road where all the locos are visible; Camden would be lucky to see a whole loco sat out front, usually only the front poked out at the West end, the East end would stack more outside, but then no turntable as a focus point.
A depot would make a cracking model, your work is something to aspire too, but I get this nagging that it might not be enough for me, simply as you quickly become very limited in what you can run or display, depots by nature were freight or express, or should I say big express engines (which we all love to model) tend to have their own sheds and not mix with lesser classes. If you pick your date right you can have green diesels, but rarely will you see steam sit side by side with electrics, the only one I can think of off the top of my head is Longsight where the steam depot sat beside the electrified carriage sheds.
On the other hand one end of a station where locos change over (Crewe - Carlisle), or just outside of a station (Edinburgh - Chester) offer much more choice....but require fiddle yards at each end to be effective. Trust me, I've wrung hands over this conundrum for months now
Anyway, the soldering iron has warmed up nicely now, so time to stick some brass to yet more brass 
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Compton castle
Western Thunderer
I had the same problems, luckily for me I kept coming back to Ranelagh bridge. It's the perfect location for me.
I would have loved to have done something South Wales based, yes I know canton that's why I picked it but in a bigger scale. I wanted some where I could do the whole place.
One thing with Camden as I hope I achieved on Canton you can compress things and still make it look like the real location
I would have loved to have done something South Wales based, yes I know canton that's why I picked it but in a bigger scale. I wanted some where I could do the whole place.
One thing with Camden as I hope I achieved on Canton you can compress things and still make it look like the real location
mickoo
Western Thunderer
Yup, I think Camden could be compressed, you could reduce the main shed width by moving the tracks closer as per other sheds and the length could be compressed maybe two/three or even four loco lengths and then you could shorten the East end roads outside the shed so you'd end up with about 20'x4' still a big space mind. Ironically if you pick somewhere like Birkenhead or Edge Hill you'd get eight roads in the same space that Camden has five
For me I keep coming back to Edinburgh Princess Gardens, no idea why, not complex track work and certainly not LMR (though I do like ER Pacific's a lot mind) but the whole scene between the tunnels just ticks a lot of boxes. In reality I'll probably end up with something as simple as that as a photo plank but altered and made fictional so that it's suit any region, maybe even 25Kv OHLE. With fiddle yards Princess Gardens has everything, express and local passenger trains, freight and light locos to and from Haymarket. The only downside with Princess Gardens and it's ilk is that trains 'have' to move all the time, stations and depots do not, you can leave them sitting there simmering and just sit and watch.
What was Landore like? I dimly recall it's a GWR square house affair like OOC, the problem with turntables is that they take up a lot of space, I think GWR was limited to 60' but LMR and ER had 70' for some of the bigger sheds but a lot still had 60' and managed to still turn 9Fs and Brits.
For me I keep coming back to Edinburgh Princess Gardens, no idea why, not complex track work and certainly not LMR (though I do like ER Pacific's a lot mind) but the whole scene between the tunnels just ticks a lot of boxes. In reality I'll probably end up with something as simple as that as a photo plank but altered and made fictional so that it's suit any region, maybe even 25Kv OHLE. With fiddle yards Princess Gardens has everything, express and local passenger trains, freight and light locos to and from Haymarket. The only downside with Princess Gardens and it's ilk is that trains 'have' to move all the time, stations and depots do not, you can leave them sitting there simmering and just sit and watch.
What was Landore like? I dimly recall it's a GWR square house affair like OOC, the problem with turntables is that they take up a lot of space, I think GWR was limited to 60' but LMR and ER had 70' for some of the bigger sheds but a lot still had 60' and managed to still turn 9Fs and Brits.
OzzyO
Western Thunderer
Another small shed that would make a nice model would be the stabling point just across from Kings Cross, a bit like R/B in a lot of ways a large wall on two? sides running lines in front, turn table etc. all you have to do is forget about the station.
I think that the stabling point that Steve was thing about just out side of Euston may have been the carriage sidings (Primrose Hill?) or a bit closer to Euston.
OzzyO.
I think that the stabling point that Steve was thing about just out side of Euston may have been the carriage sidings (Primrose Hill?) or a bit closer to Euston.
OzzyO.
OzzyO
Western Thunderer
That's not the pits.
Coat on and the door is closing, click,
OzzyO has left the building.
mickoo
Western Thunderer
Ozzy, that's correct the Up and Down carriage sheds just outside the station and the bottom of Camden bank but no loco facilities there, nearest is Camden shed at the top of the bank just before you plunge into Primrose Hill tunnel.
Kings X is good couple of guys in the Sudbury group are already doing it, one in BR steam late 50's and the other BR blue and yellow diesels (Brushtype4 of this parish) so another would be futile LOL, but it is a good compact depot and squeezes in a 70' table too.
Kings X is good
couple of guys in the Sudbury group are already doing it, one in BR steam late 50's and the other BR blue and yellow diesels (Brushtype4 of this parish) so another would be futile LOL, but it is a good compact depot and squeezes in a 70' table too.
warren haywood
Western Thunderer
Wasn't there also Euston downside carriage sidings? On the left about a quarter of a mile out of the station.
mickoo
Western Thunderer
Indeed and I've just had a quick look at the Signalling Record Society plans for the 50's and see a couple of coal roads just North of that, maybe a small facility to coal and service ECS tank engines?
Nice photo shoot here
http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums...downside-train-depot-london-april-2011-a.html
The coal roads are just to the right behind the photographer in this image, it's a nice junction, behind the photographer are tunnel mouths though quite a way away but it could be compressed and the bridge (Mornington Road) in the background would make a break, but it's still wide and requires quite a lot of space.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/blue-diesels/6781956191/
OzzyO
Western Thunderer
That now looks like a "weed" factory!
But I think it's the shed that I was thinking about. It has been about twenty year since I was down in the smoke so things will have changed a bit.
OzzyO.
Compton castle
Western Thunderer
65 foot tables on the western, same as at RB you could squeeze a duchess on there, myself and Ozzy have checked you know just in case one does make a visit!!
I did look at landore, Shrewsbury is quite interesting or if you just want something set around a turn table weston super mare is a good one.
Electric blue AC electrics and dirty steam locos would look great, based somewhere around rugby could work.
I did look at landore, Shrewsbury is quite interesting or if you just want something set around a turn table weston super mare is a good one.
Electric blue AC electrics and dirty steam locos would look great, based somewhere around rugby could work.
Compton castle
Western Thunderer
http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/gwrtankwagon/h200fbfe3#h314439df
Here's a link to a converted road rail tank wagon I'm having scratch built, it was converted to carry diesel oil. I have a picture of it at Ranelagh bridge.
It's tucked behind D1000.
They lasted until the late 80's. It could have been seen at steam sheds or stabling points before refuelling points where installed. Or later at DMU stabling points or small diesel stabling points providing a top up if needed. Other than that it's quite an interesting looking wagon.
There is a chance this might appear as a RTR project from JLTRT, any one interested ?? I'm not sure of a price just yet.
Here's a link to a converted road rail tank wagon I'm having scratch built, it was converted to carry diesel oil. I have a picture of it at Ranelagh bridge.
It's tucked behind D1000.
They lasted until the late 80's. It could have been seen at steam sheds or stabling points before refuelling points where installed. Or later at DMU stabling points or small diesel stabling points providing a top up if needed. Other than that it's quite an interesting looking wagon.
There is a chance this might appear as a RTR project from JLTRT, any one interested ?? I'm not sure of a price just yet.
Ressaldar
Western Thunderer
Hi Steve,
keeping the green colour, there is always Ewer Street - located between Cannon Street and London Bridge and also served Charing Cross, lasted until 1961. It could go into 8'x2' + fiddle yards at each end. Track plan in OPC Historical Survey of Southern Sheds ISBN 86093 020 3.
cheers
Mike
keeping the green colour, there is always Ewer Street - located between Cannon Street and London Bridge and also served Charing Cross, lasted until 1961. It could go into 8'x2' + fiddle yards at each end. Track plan in OPC Historical Survey of Southern Sheds ISBN 86093 020 3.
cheers
Mike
Compton castle
Western Thunderer
Ooh that would be great, I'd love to see them.
Steve
Steve
mickoo
Western Thunderer
Yup, nice clean sparkies next to grubby steam and diesels. As the OHLE marched toward the capital several stations became change over points, Stafford, Rugby and Nuneaton all had loco changes for a short time. As a little a side yellow striped locos were bsnned south of Crewe, generally post 1960 ish, yet there are photos of Coronations with yellow stripes hammering through Watford in 63-64 (need to check exact dates) which suggests it wasn't the stripe wasn't always adhered to! One possible explanation is that by that date the tyres were worn down snd the springs worn, thus reducing the overall height to below the threshold and the stripe was not removed.
Regarding turn tables, you could always use the extension rails that the GWR seem very fond of using
mickoo
Western Thunderer
Going back to Princess Royals and the later Princess Coronations with regards to GWR heritage. both classes utilise the same arrangement for driving the inside valves via rocking arms from the outside, ala Kings and Castles.
Additionally, 6200 & 6201 have an inside motion bracket to support the outside slidebars, a direct copy of Kings and Castles, 6204 onward had the standard Stanier outside mounted slide bar bracket except 6205 which had the monsterous Y bracket.
Swindon has/had a lot to answer for LOL, I've also just read that rough riding on the A1 class; due to rear driver axlebox issues, was tamed when an engineer joined Doncaster from Swindon and brought a few ideas with him
Additionally, 6200 & 6201 have an inside motion bracket to support the outside slidebars, a direct copy of Kings and Castles, 6204 onward had the standard Stanier outside mounted slide bar bracket except 6205 which had the monsterous Y bracket.
Swindon has/had a lot to answer for LOL, I've also just read that rough riding on the A1 class; due to rear driver axlebox issues, was tamed when an engineer joined Doncaster from Swindon and brought a few ideas with him