Mickoo's BR modelling

[mickoo]

Mick,
I could profile mill some window beading if it's just flat rims

Col.

That's something I hadn't considered, I can whizz up the shapes in CAD and print out at 10:1 or something and make the template from thick plasticard, actually if you used a bevel cutter or one with a curved cut (inverse of a ball cutter....my obviously lack of terminology is self evident here LOL), if you can even get one, you could probably simulate beaded rims on the side windows as well, but the cab front ones are flat so it'd work perfectly for that.

 

[Overseer]

Mick

Looking good. The cab is quite a complex shape, I don't think I would have been brave enough to fold up the sides and back from the floor. It is easier to achieve sharp arisses with separate pieces but a bit more work to support the pieces in alignment while soldering. The usual method of making thin complex shapes like the spectacles is to cut out the number required from the thickness brass required, solder them together then drill and file to shape before separating. Adding a thicker piece can help to hold things and stop it bending while working on the stack. By the way, Scale Hardware do sell 0.5mm bolts but seem to only show what they have in stock on the website, an email to them would find if and when they have another batch due. JimG's suggestion of using wire soldered in does work, not as good as actual bolt heads but light catches the sharp edges and will look better than the rivets. If you hadn't told us we may not have realised.....

 

[mickoo]

Pity I couldn't borrow these, or invent a magic ray gun that shrinks them to 1:43.5

http://www.73156standard5group.co.uk/workphotos/IP_front_cab_window_frames.jpg
http://www.73156standard5group.co.uk/workphotos/IP_side_windows.jpg

 

[Len Cattley]

Hi Mick, I like your scratch building of your Standard 5 I have one to do in the future (well loco anyway), I have built the tender (a DJB one) which I am not happy with , so will need to take it apart and redo it again (Dikitriki style). I have taken pictures of the one at the Watercress Line, would like to put them on-line (if you would like to see them) but I don't know how. Sorry to hi-jack your posts mate

Len

 

[mickoo]

Hi Mick, I like your scratch building of your Standard 5 I have one to do in the future (well loco anyway), I have built the tender (a DJB one) which I am not happy with , so will need to take it apart and redo it again (Dikitriki style). I have taken pictures of the one at the Watercress Line, would like to put them on-line (if you would like to see them) but I don't know how. Sorry to hi-jack your posts mate

Len

Len, you can use dropbox to upload your images, or you could just email them and I can host them for you, I'd certainly like to see them, you can never have enough reference material I feel, mind it does then kind of force you to add all that detail when you do find it LOL.

 

[mickoo]

Just a small update, the cab front wasn't doing it for me, so in the bin it went. Instead I opted to begin at the back and make a solid base to add a new front too, the current cab structure was quite flimsy and the cab front angles will require some fettling to fit.

It'd be too easy to carry on working on the rear and interior and put off the cab front but I'll get a good nights sleep and start a new one tomorrow, and maybe some of the other bits as well.

Ohh and I cut the side windows out as well, I'm glad there's a bead going on these, the file seems a touch wayward in some places LOL and camera wide angle close ups show the faults even more.

I opted for the standard cab rear draught sheet, I can add the Scottish extra plates later as per 1:1 practice if need be, but the Southern style will wait for another loco.


The cab centre roof sections blends in with the side sheets and a gutter will cover the join


Rear 3/4 showing terrible depth of field LOL angle at floor level will be sub bracket for rear foot plate extension and top of angle is actual floor depth, some of the cab is steel plate, the rest is is wooden floor...the coffee stirrers are lined up and waiting.


I may need to thin down the rear draught sheet pillars above the seat backs and under the roof at cant rail level, but overall it's pretty close thus far.

 

[mickoo]

Mick

Looking good. The cab is quite a complex shape, I don't think I would have been brave enough to fold up the sides and back from the floor. It is easier to achieve sharp arisses with separate pieces but a bit more work to support the pieces in alignment while soldering.

Thank yoo, on the whole I'd agree, but my holding and soldering isn't that good, thus I need all the help I can get LOL

It does mean that you have to be extra careful marking out and allow extra material for the fold join, much like you do with etches. I skrawk my joins very deeply, on 10 thou stock I might skrawk until there's only 2-3 thou left and then bend, that gives a very nice tight bend and then I run a seam of solder down the inside to secure it.

I actually cut the rear draught sheet slightly too narrow so when it folded up there was a fraction of a gap between it and the side sheet on one side, about 3-4 thou, not much but if you pulled the side sheet in to solder you'd of got a triangular fillet join and the side sheet not at 90° to the base and that'd throw the whole roof out. So, it had to go and in the end opted as you suggested a separate piece filed to fit exactly.

 

[Len Cattley]

Len, you can use dropbox to upload your images, or you could just email them and I can host them for you, I'd certainly like to see them, you can never have enough reference material I feel, mind it does then kind of force you to add all that detail when you do find it LOL.

Hi Mick I looked at dropbox as you suggested but it only gives you 1 GB free and I don't like paying a monthly fee. I would like to email them to you but there as 56 pictures so depending on your broadband it could take quite a while
I know what you mean about adding more detail I am the same

Len

 

[adrian]

Hi Mick I looked at dropbox as you suggested but it only gives you 1 GB free and I don't like paying a monthly fee.

The initial space I believe is now 2Gb but it's a pyramid scheme, if you send out referrals and get others to sign up then you can acquire extra free space, 500Mb per new user, up to a combined total of 18Gb free.
There is also a camera upload system they have rolled out to get some free space without referrals.
www.dropbox.com/help/287/en
Although to be honest I haven't tried it as I have sufficient space for my needs.

 

[mickoo]

Hi Mick I looked at dropbox as you suggested but it only gives you 1 GB free and I don't like paying a monthly fee. I would like to email them to you but there as 56 pictures so depending on your broadband it could take quite a while
I know what you mean about adding more detail I am the same

Len

Len, drop box is free?, well my account is, paid nothing and have up to 2GB I think, that's a lot of space for photos, I've several collections up there and it's no where near full.

You could also open a Flickr account, easy to do and upload large batches at a time and they give you 1Tb of free space!

My email bandwidth I think is limited to 5Mb in bound, but my company one will easily take 10-15Mb, if you zip the 56 photos up how big is the file then?

There's also a free file sharing site somewhere, can't remember the name but it allows for one off sending of large files.

 

[Len Cattley]

Hi chaps just uploaded my photo's to my flickr account it's under Len Cattley.

 

[mickoo]

Hi chaps just uploaded my photo's to my flickr account it's under Len Cattley.

Have you got a link please, Flickr is hard to search for members names as there's so many and your name doesn't show at the moment.

 

[Len Cattley]

Hi Mick you could try this http://www.flickr.com/photos/lencattley/
let me know how you get on.

Len

 

[mickoo]

Hi Mick you could try this http://www.flickr.com/photos/lencattley/
let me know how you get on.

Len

Perfect, thanks for sharing will grab shortly as Sunday roast needs carving LOL

I've marked you as a friend so any new images you put up I'll get notified, and I hope you do put up more as these are nice detail and crisp shots, not restricted download and nice desk top size, just perfect in fact

 

[Len Cattley]

Thanks Mick those were taken on the Watercresss Line got permission from them as it's in storage

Len

 

[mickoo]

Thanks Mick those were taken on the Watercresss Line got permission from them as it's in storage

Len

Yup, she does look a little distressed, how long has she been in storage? By the look of the paintwork and corrosion it's been a few years.

I forgot to add the DJB kit to my initial post on Standard 5's, I think San Pereil may have made one as well? How good/bad is the DJB one, one has just come up on Ebay as well as a Severn one, the Severn one went for too much for me especially if your going to change most of the fittings. He even had a Rising Star N2 which went for £80, seems cheap enough but no idea what Rising Star are like? And, I've just ordered the pipe and rod drawings from NRM for the N2...so CAD work and cutting of brass on that project soon I hope, as well as three or four others.

I had tried to remain focused on the 08 and not do anything else, but in idle moments found that whilst not doing the 08 I wasnt doing anything else, so, have decided to try the jumoing from one or two projects to keep the pace up, not too many or I'll run the risk of any ever getting finished LOL

 

[Dikitriki]

Hi Mick

The DJB one is a tough build. Sans Pareil has the ex DJB range now, but his standard 5 was a new design with better (but very far from perfect) etches and DJB and some new castings. Still needs Ragstone bits to get the best out of it. Here is a gratuitous pic of my Sans Pareil std 5 with the big Southern tender....Must finish it sometime



The Severn one is new etches for the body, but a Jim Harris tender, and even more of the fittings require replacing.

Cheers

Richard

 

[AJC]

A Standard 5 as it should be with that tender Richard. Very nice indeed.

Adam

 

[mickoo]

Hi Mick

The DJB one is a tough build. Sans Pareil has the ex DJB range now, but his standard 5 was a new design with better (but very far from perfect) etches and DJB and some new castings. Still needs Ragstone bits to get the best out of it. Here is a gratuitous pic of my Sans Pareil std 5 with the big Southern tender....Must finish it sometime

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The Severn one is new etches for the body, but a Jim Harris tender, and even more of the fittings require replacing.

Cheers

Richard

Richard, I thought you had one or the other Std 5MT locos. I concur on the fitting changes to pretty much most of the curent kits, hence my asking Severn if they will consider a etch only purchase, probably not as they'll be left with a bag of bits and no loco which will then force me down the scratch build route, I'm certainly considering their Std 5MT and Britannia, castings exempt.

Tenders, yes I'm in the big tender crowd too

If you are doing a Southern one you'll probably need to add the cab rear draught plate mod they did, looks like the rear plate work applied to the Bulleids.

I need to check Ragstones list, hopefully they do a casting for the expansion link support.

 

[Dikitriki]

Hi Mick

Deffo the 1F. The B and C are more Stanier in outline.

I bet that if you do manage to get the etches only, you'll reckon you'd be able to do a better job yourself

Richard